[sophocles]

DIFH, on 10 January 2019 - 01:26 PM, said:

The big point in that one is WAS HE ATTACKED I didn't see an attack. The lad seemed to stumble forward whilst bending over the Goalie on the floor. Another guy said the goalies leg got in between the lads leg pulling him forward - intentionally or not I don't know


So where did the faceism claims originate from.

We need to stop trying to excuse idiots who are totally in the wrong. One of our fans left the terraces and not only went on the pitch, but was IN THE BACK OF THE NET GRAPPLING ON THE GROUND WITH ASHMORE. No excuses are acceptable, it put us, as a club 100% in the wrong and on the back foot in any further argument. There was a huge amount of verbal abuse (which Ashmore incited and admitted to provoking). Whether any of it was of a racist nature is very difficult to determine because of the general confusion and volume of noise. The morons who entered the playing area, and Ashmore's interview on National radio will make it almost certain that CFC will be perceived as being totally im the wrong by all outside observers.

[Valley Blues]

metallilad, on 10 January 2019 - 12:49 PM, said:

The pineapple thing is out of order. It does tend to be shouted at primarily black players simply because white players don't have it. I know it's only a hairstyle but crowds don't chant baldy to players with shaved heads.

You seriously think that referring to someone with a hairstyle that has a loose resemblance to a popular fruit as ‘pineapple head’ is out of order because you see more black players sporting the ‘style’?

FWIW, I don’t see it as remotely racist and I’d go as far as saying that those that seek to turn something like this into a race issue are the ones with the problem.

Is referring to Tommy Lee, before he had his locks chopped off, as ‘gypo’ racist? We heard it time and time again.
Again, FWIW, I don’t perceive this as racist yet aren’t gypsies an ethnic minority?

There’s got to be a far stronger case that Tommy was racially abused than anyone on the end of the pineapple jibe.

[Blue95]

CFC91, on 10 January 2019 - 02:14 PM, said:

I don't think saying someone has a pineapple on their head, is a gypo, lives in a caravan or has long hair or a bald head is racist in the slightest. I think they are all songs with a banter element you'd expect to hear at a football game.

The Kop at Saltergate used to absolutely hammer players with long hair, or generally **** hair (he's got shoe laces on his head - to someone with dreadlocks) and it was all taken in good humour from what I remember.

I do think people are always looking for a way to be offended by anything nowadays though. Personal opinion however

Well said,
World truly has gone too PC, I feel people are trying to force offence with things that are little more than playground ‘banter.

In fact I did see the Solihull Moors number 3 acknowledge the songs being sung at him and he was laughing. Surely if he felt there were racial connotations (which there weren’t) his reaction would have been a lot heavier.

We have enough with a certain previous poster wildly accusing racism by town fans on this board, we don’t need anymore.

[Blue roan lily]

Blue95, on 10 January 2019 - 04:16 PM, said:

Well said,
World truly has gone too PC, I feel people are trying to force offence with things that are little more than playground ‘banter.

In fact I did see the Solihull Moors number 3 acknowledge the songs being sung at him and he was laughing. Surely if he felt there were racial connotations (which there weren’t) his reaction would have been a lot heavier.

We have enough with a certain previous poster wildly accusing racism by town fans on this board, we don’t need anymore.

Your right Blue95. The world has gone mad and pc this and pc that.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

clarevoyant., on 10 January 2019 - 01:40 PM, said:

Why was he gobbing off at town fans if he hadn't been abused when holding the ball in one hand, taunting MAF at the sametime

He was time wasting and making out he had been abused. Basically he was playing a game. A game the referee should have sorted.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

JonB, on 10 January 2019 - 01:36 PM, said:

If he is now saying that it didnt happen he needs to say as much not just on radio station not many folk really listen too. The initial allegation hit all sorts of bigger news outlets and i suspect this wont!!

As I said at the time, being stood directly behind the hoardings at the time he claimed he was being racially abused, he wasn't. Making racist stuff up is as bad as the racism itself in my book.

[metallilad]

Valley Blues, on 10 January 2019 - 04:14 PM, said:

You seriously think that referring to someone with a hairstyle that has a loose resemblance to a popular fruit as ‘pineapple head’ is out of order because you see more black players sporting the ‘style’?

FWIW, I don’t see it as remotely racist and I’d go as far as saying that those that seek to turn something like this into a race issue are the ones with the problem.

Is referring to Tommy Lee, before he had his locks chopped off, as ‘gypo’ racist? We heard it time and time again.
Again, FWIW, I don’t perceive this as racist yet aren’t gypsies an ethnic minority?

There’s got to be a far stronger case that Tommy was racially abused than anyone on the end of the pineapple jibe.

I've answered someone else with a very similar post.
I'll be buggered if I'm writing it out again.

[Valley Blues]

So Asmore alledges racism.

The pineapple song is deemed, by some, as racially inappropriate as it’s mainly aimed at black players.

The pitch invasion resulted in a number of bans, one offender being singled out as a known serial moron and vilified accordingly.

Is it ironic that the vilified moron at the centre of most of this is a white youth with dreadlocks?

Without wanting to appear remotely racist, but you don’t get much more black than dreads, do you? On a white youth.

[born in 1866]

calvin plummers socks, on 10 January 2019 - 12:52 PM, said:

They do sing "gypo" at long haired players though.
Fwiw pineapple head isn't racist to me

How can gypo be racist?
Gypsies are not a race.
It may be derogatory but it's not racist.
Look up the meaning of race and get back to me.

[mattthespireite]

born in 1866, on 10 January 2019 - 04:49 PM, said:

How can gypo be racist?
Gypsies are not a race.
It may be derogatory but it's not racist.
Look up the meaning of race and get back to me.

Think you will find the word ‘gypsy’ is a racist term in this day and age. Look it up and get back to me.

[Valley Blues]

born in 1866, on 10 January 2019 - 04:49 PM, said:

How can gypo be racist?
Gypsies are not a race.
It may be derogatory but it's not racist.
Look up the meaning of race and get back to me.

Gypsy is a recognised ethnic minority.

[Bonnyman]

Gypsy is not a rascist term and never has been

[DIFH]

plannerj, on 10 January 2019 - 02:02 PM, said:

Time for you to "get real" David. I've heard some pathetic excuses on here but your "I must visit Specsavers" comments take the biscuit. There can be no justification for what happened and you should accept it instead of being an apologist.

Where did you get that from.

[mattthespireite]

Bonnyman, on 10 January 2019 - 05:10 PM, said:

Gypsy is not a rascist term and never has been

In your view.

[danblue]

Voiceofjoe, on 10 January 2019 - 01:02 PM, said:

They wont chant baldy at players with shaved heads as there's so many of them its almost the norm - Most derogatory Football Chants are used to pick on something unusual or different about a player/team. In an attempt (I guess) to make them lose concentration, play poorly etc.

If you took it to its 'N'th degree than all football chanting is a form of bullying - but there needs to be perspective applied here.

Folk gave Steve Morrison stick for looking old.
Folk had a dig at Ellison for being old and bald....
same as giving Jason Lee jive for having a 'pineapple' hair doo and for being dog dirt at football, same as giving Ainsworth jive over his flowing locks same as Ashmore being fat and garbage.
For me its part and parcel of what a typical football crowd will shout, and if a player retaliated back 'like for like', I have no problem with that.

[calvin plummers socks]

born in 1866, on 10 January 2019 - 04:49 PM, said:

How can gypo be racist?
Gypsies are not a race.
It may be derogatory but it's not racist.
Look up the meaning of race and get back to me.

I didn't say it was!

[azul]

Bonnyman, on 10 January 2019 - 05:10 PM, said:

Gypsy is not a rascist term and never has been

Gypsy is often used as a slur to describe Roma people who are most definately an ethnic group much persecuted throughout Europe to this day.

Whether the term is racist in its self may be open to debate but I suppose it depends on the context it is used in.

[Bonnyman]

mattthespireite, on 10 January 2019 - 05:15 PM, said:

In your view.

I was unfortunate enough to be on a gypsy awareness course in my employment, a stupid course but I needed to make some hours up, at no stage was the word gypsy mentioned as rascist or derogatory, so it’s not imo it’s a fact

[mattthespireite]

Bonnyman, on 10 January 2019 - 05:39 PM, said:

I was unfortunate enough to be on a gypsy awareness course in my employment, a stupid course but I needed to make some hours up, at no stage was the word gypsy mentioned as rascist or derogatory, so it’s not imo it’s a fact

Look it up.

[azul]

Bonnyman, on 10 January 2019 - 05:39 PM, said:

I was unfortunate enough to be on a gypsy awareness course in my employment, a stupid course but I needed to make some hours up, at no stage was the word gypsy mentioned as rascist or derogatory, so it’s not imo it’s a fact

I’m afraid your awareness course malfunctioned then

Whoever sent you on the course should be eligible for a refund