Grammars Get £100K Govt Cash For Each New Child Admitted
#1
Posted 23 April 2019 - 07:56 PM
The sums suggest that the government is spending around £18k to buy each new place. The government report that the plan of one of the handful of grammar schools that bagged the cash is to aim an extra 30 places in September 2020. If that school received an equal share of the cash, each place would work out at over £100K. Interestingly that school included in its plan of action that it would lower the pass score for poor pupils so that more make the lowered grade.
I believe that regular schools get around £2K of extra cash for each poor pupil that they admit and that the staff at those schools don't have the luxury of altering the pass mark for poor pupils. In fact I believe that staff in regular schools stand to get sacked if they try to make any changes to the way in which their children fare in the exams.
#2
Posted 25 April 2019 - 04:06 PM
dart in the crossbar, on 23 April 2019 - 07:56 PM, said:
The sums suggest that the government is spending around £18k to buy each new place. The government report that the plan of one of the handful of grammar schools that bagged the cash is to aim an extra 30 places in September 2020. If that school received an equal share of the cash, each place would work out at over £100K. Interestingly that school included in its plan of action that it would lower the pass score for poor pupils so that more make the lowered grade.
I believe that regular schools get around £2K of extra cash for each poor pupil that they admit and that the staff at those schools don't have the luxury of altering the pass mark for poor pupils. In fact I believe that staff in regular schools stand to get sacked if they try to make any changes to the way in which their children fare in the exams.
So are you for or against the attempt to open the door to better schools (allegedly) to more pupils who wouldn't otherwise get in? And if not why not?
#3
Posted 25 April 2019 - 04:58 PM
isleaiw1, on 25 April 2019 - 04:06 PM, said:
So what you are saying then is if you are good enough but poor then you can't access better schools? Should this not be a basic right and not dependant whether you're rich or poor?
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#4
Posted 25 April 2019 - 05:33 PM
fishini said:
So what you are saying then is if you are good enough but poor then you can't access better schools? Should this not be a basic right and not dependant whether you're rich or poor?
That’s not really what he said is it.
#6
Posted 25 April 2019 - 05:56 PM
DEATH, on 25 April 2019 - 05:33 PM, said:
OK then why should money be put into schools to make room for the poorer children? Are these private schools or state grammars?
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#8
Posted 25 April 2019 - 06:35 PM
Westbars Spireite, on 25 April 2019 - 06:05 PM, said:
Should not all children irrespective of their backgrounds have the same chance to reach their potential?
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#10
Posted 25 April 2019 - 07:14 PM
Westbars Spireite, on 25 April 2019 - 07:04 PM, said:
So in our society rich kids are held in higher esteem than poor ones? It's not about how clever you are but more about the size of your bank account
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#12
Posted 25 April 2019 - 09:55 PM
fishini, on 25 April 2019 - 07:14 PM, said:
It doesn’t say that either.
#13
Posted 26 April 2019 - 09:37 AM
dart in the crossbar, on 23 April 2019 - 07:56 PM, said:
The sums suggest that the government is spending around £18k to buy each new place. The government report that the plan of one of the handful of grammar schools that bagged the cash is to aim an extra 30 places in September 2020. If that school received an equal share of the cash, each place would work out at over £100K. Interestingly that school included in its plan of action that it would lower the pass score for poor pupils so that more make the lowered grade.
I believe that regular schools get around £2K of extra cash for each poor pupil that they admit and that the staff at those schools don't have the luxury of altering the pass mark for poor pupils. In fact I believe that staff in regular schools stand to get sacked if they try to make any changes to the way in which their children fare in the exams.
The 'lowered grade' is the target pass mark required on the 11+ for a child from a poorer background, not a change to the child's grade. A recognition by the school that children of better off parents can, and do, pay for private tutoring to get their child a place. Not sure why you think the school is doing something dodgy.
Also, Don't forget that Pupil Premium you've mentioned is in addition to the main per pupil funding a school gets, which is, I believe is and average of £6,200 at secondary. If you take on an addition 30 pupils, that is an extra class you have to provide room for within the school. In some schools that might be clearing out an unused room and fitting it out, for others it might involve building one.
I'm not trying to make out the money spent has been good value and couldn't have been better used elsewhere in the education system, but I can see how the figures are so high.
I wonder how many of those grammars will use the funds to build extra facilities, then go back to their previous intake rules as soon as they possibly can.
#14
Posted 26 April 2019 - 09:51 AM
fishini, on 25 April 2019 - 05:56 PM, said:
State grammars, the ones where well off parents can pay to have their children coached for their 11+/Entry Exam. Grammar lowers the marks required for those pupils with parents unable to afford coaching, bright kid of poor parents then get a fair crack at getting into a grammar. School offers 30 more places so that pupils that would have previously got in, still do.
Is it really that difficult to understand?
#15
Posted 26 April 2019 - 10:30 AM
I wish every school could give every kid the perfect education but having been in an unstreamed comp system myself, I also realise that alot of the time, there are kids who dont want to learn who distract those who do, and sometimes even tempt good kids away from the right path into one that will be worse for their education and future.
So I think anything that helps kids from a more deprived background (financially or time wise) to get into places that will help them improve and move on to better things should be encouraged.
I hate private schools. They seem to be a badge of honour for many. The tax rate on them should be doubled to put more money into state education. They also shouldnt qualify for charitable status which some seem to...
My dad was a Bevin boy sent in the pit in the war. He was quite bright, went to Barnsley grammar in his day. I was lucky. I inherited his brains and had some great teachers who encouraged me (as well as parents who supported it) so I did alright (although a few years at Shirebrook were testing...) and now I have a decent job. My kids went to the local school - ok, we moved house to get them in at Brookfield as it was supposed to be the best non religous or fee paying school in the area. I believe I am one of the lucky ones and much of that is down to being fortunate about my parents - but also the teachers and schools i went to. Mr Rhodes at New Bolsover (anyone remember him - games teacher) was probably THE biggest reason why I did ok, he pushed us to do more, got our confidence up and then when I got to Shirebrook I realised I was still pretty good - which encourages you further.
So yes, if they have to throw some money at it, fiddle a pass mark, and it helps a few kids progress and better themselves - do it. Its not a political thing, as some try to make it, its about caring...
#16
Posted 26 April 2019 - 03:48 PM
#17
Posted 26 April 2019 - 04:16 PM
These state funded grammar schools will get the extra cash as a bonus on top of the funding that non-selective state schools would receive. Sounds like win win for these schools.
As it is state funded grammar schools, the deal is only on offer in those parts of England where such schools exist. The bonus cash isn't available to any schools or families in Derbyshire.
and there's more government cash on offer too!
here is the link : https://www.gov.uk/g...ns-2018-to-2019