[Zigsuk]

This is a very common feature in the modern game but back in the day you never saw it. The goalkeeper always gave the ball a good boot upfield and wasn't trusted to dribble the ball about with his feet like an outfield player.
There are of course advantages and disadvantages to both. The big boot technique has probabaly a 50 - 50 chance of reaching an oppostion player and often quickly comes back into your own half as likely as not, however it is a quick method of getting the ball away from your danger area. However the playing out from the back, whilst in theory keeping posession, can in practice lead to errors and opposition chances. For my money town still do too much faffing about in their own third and risk giving chances if the oppsition are pressing, although they do seem to have improved lately.
What really struck me in the Rochdale game was Tyrer regulary went long which I hadn't seen town do this season. Perhaps a mixture of both techniques is best to keep the oppostion guessing?

[Fit as a Nelson]

I’d probably just stick with what’s earned us 38 points out of a possible 45 tbh

[KevoBMMD]

I coach U7's and even we try to play out from the keeper. So far it seems to work well and Won us 2 Tournaments. We are also unbeaten in the NDYFL and currently 3rd in the SDJFL.

I say if it isn't broken do not try and fix it.

[isleaiw1]

Zigsuk, on 12 October 2023 - 09:05 AM, said:

This is a very common feature in the modern game but back in the day you never saw it. The goalkeeper always gave the ball a good boot upfield and wasn't trusted to dribble the ball about with his feet like an outfield player.
There are of course advantages and disadvantages to both. The big boot technique has probabaly a 50 - 50 chance of reaching an oppostion player and often quickly comes back into your own half as likely as not, however it is a quick method of getting the ball away from your danger area. However the playing out from the back, whilst in theory keeping posession, can in practice lead to errors and opposition chances. For my money town still do too much faffing about in their own third and risk giving chances if the oppsition are pressing, although they do seem to have improved lately.
What really struck me in the Rochdale game was Tyrer regulary went long which I hadn't seen town do this season. Perhaps a mixture of both techniques is best to keep the oppostion guessing?

ah, one of the Gerrit Forrad brigade...

Probably fitting given your views on some of our players...

[Westbars Spireite]

Zigsuk, on 12 October 2023 - 09:05 AM, said:

This is a very common feature in the modern game but back in the day you never saw it. The goalkeeper always gave the ball a good boot upfield and wasn't trusted to dribble the ball about with his feet like an outfield player.
There are of course advantages and disadvantages to both. The big boot technique has probabaly a 50 - 50 chance of reaching an oppostion player and often quickly comes back into your own half as likely as not, however it is a quick method of getting the ball away from your danger area. However the playing out from the back, whilst in theory keeping posession, can in practice lead to errors and opposition chances. For my money town still do too much faffing about in their own third and risk giving chances if the oppsition are pressing, although they do seem to have improved lately.
What really struck me in the Rochdale game was Tyrer regulary went long which I hadn't seen town do this season. Perhaps a mixture of both techniques is best to keep the oppostion guessing?

Pop down the training ground, I'm sure you have some ideas that have never crossed the manager's mind here.

[Goku]

I wish we'd just belt it forwards all the time tbh, hate seeing us control games with precise passing out from the back

[JonB]

Goku, on 12 October 2023 - 10:14 AM, said:

I wish we'd just belt it forwards all the time tbh, hate seeing us control games with precise passing out from the back

Yep just hoofing it high in the air against the numerous 6ft+ units playing centre back in this division seems nailed on to be successful....

[hilly81]

Goku, on 12 October 2023 - 10:14 AM, said:

I wish we'd just belt it forwards all the time tbh, hate seeing us control games with precise passing out from the back

Get Denton back FFS.

[Zigsuk]

isleaiw1, on 12 October 2023 - 09:39 AM, said:

ah, one of the Gerrit Forrad brigade...

Probably fitting given your views on some of our players...

Can you read?
I said both have advantages and disadvantages.
If you have the players who are capable then play out from the back, but if you haven't it can be a risky tactic as we have sometimes seen.

[isleaiw1]

Zigsuk, on 12 October 2023 - 10:36 AM, said:

Can you read?
I said both have advantages and disadvantages.
If you have the players who are capable then play out from the back, but if you haven't it can be a risky tactic as we have sometimes seen.

I can read, you appreciate that its the way all teams play, we are winning and top of the league, but you are not sure we should be doing it.

Tbf, Webb did say according to the DT that players were being more ruthless in decision making now and I suspect that meant that on occasion row z is the best option.

However, despite being able to read, if you arent saying we should gerrit forrad, what was the purpose of the post? I suppose you have stopped criticising Quigley so are stuck for things to say...

[metallilad]

Zigsuk, on 12 October 2023 - 10:36 AM, said:

Can you read?
I said both have advantages and disadvantages.
If you have the players who are capable then play out from the back, but if you haven't it can be a risky tactic as we have sometimes seen.

The problem is that you've dared to spark a debate up about how we (as a team)are playing at the moment.
How I read your post was that we can play it out the back quite well, which we do, but occasionally we do have a tendency to faff about too much which inturn allows the opposition to press us high up in our own half causing unnecessary panic in the stands and rushing about on the pitch. These particular times a foot through the ball would be a welcome relief rather than watching the passing through your fingers.

Personally, I enjoy the way we play the game and look forward to us playing matches but I do wish that occasionally the defence (including Tyrer) would realise that playing a long ball into space would stop the heart palpitations and inturn put the opposition's defence under pressure when it allows our forward line to either go on the attack or press them in their own half.

[Spireite93]

The first goal against Bromley sums up what we're trying to do, and it was executed to precision

The need to play the ball around on the edge of the box was a necessity to send the full back (who kept closing down Horton) dizzy to the point he ended up dragged out of possession, allowing Horton the space to put in a perfect cross.

It's not always perfect, it will get exposed at times, and can be very frustrating against a well organised team, but the idea is to have them chase the ball for the majority of the game to tire them out and eventually hit them when they are shattered

I think it's great

[Zigsuk]

metallilad, on 12 October 2023 - 10:49 AM, said:

The problem is that you've dared to spark a debate up about how we (as a team)are playing at the moment.
How I read your post was that we can play it out the back quite well, which we do, but occasionally we do have a tendency to faff about too much which inturn allows the opposition to press us high up in our own half causing unnecessary panic in the stands and rushing about on the pitch. These particular times a foot through the ball would be a welcome relief rather than watching the passing through your fingers.

Personally, I enjoy the way we play the game and look forward to us playing matches but I do wish that occasionally the defence (including Tyrer) would realise that playing a long ball into space would stop the heart palpitations and inturn put the opposition's defence under pressure when it allows our forward line to either go on the attack or press them in their own half.

Exactly.

I think they have got better recently, but earlier on some of the unecessary faffing about caused palpitations. And there are times as you say (maybe defending a one goal lead in the dying minutes) when a foot through the ball to get it right up the other end of the pitch is required. On the other hand it could be argued that retaining possession in such circumstances is the best strategy. That is providing you do retain possession.

This post has been edited by Zigsuk: 12 October 2023 - 11:41 AM

[60s 70s Spireite]

metallilad, on 12 October 2023 - 10:49 AM, said:

The problem is that you've dared to spark a debate up about how we (as a team)are playing at the moment.
How I read your post was that we can play it out the back quite well, which we do, but occasionally we do have a tendency to faff about too much which inturn allows the opposition to press us high up in our own half causing unnecessary panic in the stands and rushing about on the pitch. These particular times a foot through the ball would be a welcome relief rather than watching the passing through your fingers.

Personally, I enjoy the way we play the game and look forward to us playing matches but I do wish that occasionally the defence (including Tyrer) would realise that playing a long ball into space would stop the heart palpitations and inturn put the opposition's defence under pressure when it allows our forward line to either go on the attack or press them in their own half.

It’s surprising how many times, even at Premier League level, a goal is conceded resulting directly from keepers and defenders playing pit a pat at the back, and the ball being given to an opponent for a free shot at an empty net.

Also, don’t like to see minutes of inter passing at the back, only to see a ball played back to the keeper, who under pressure, boots the ball upfield to no one in particular. Even when we are in need of a goal.

Having said that, I’m very happy how we are playing, so no qualms with our game. But, have to confess I have to watch through my fingers when an attacker is chasing every pass at the back of our defence and he seems to be inches away from picking our pocket.

[danblue]

Westbars Spireite, on 12 October 2023 - 10:01 AM, said:

Pop down the training ground, I'm sure you have some ideas that have never crossed the manager's mind here.

ouch

[ronpowellsbutler]

Gives me the abdabs.
See the number of goals on highlight shows where playing out has presented a goal.
Can't remember the boss ever doing it.
What happened to throwing it ?

[h again]

Like the OP says, there's for and against. What lets the system down is playing a short ball to a defender when we've got people free upfield - this usually results in a bout of short passing in the defence, followed by the inevitable long ball upfield, by which time the opposition have got organised.
In the end it comes down to a player's intelligence and choosing the best option. Fortunately we seem to have some intelligent players.

[dim view]

Zigsuk, on 12 October 2023 - 09:05 AM, said:

This is a very common feature in the modern game but back in the day you never saw it. The goalkeeper always gave the ball a good boot upfield and wasn't trusted to dribble the ball about with his feet like an outfield player.
There are of course advantages and disadvantages to both. The big boot technique has probabaly a 50 - 50 chance of reaching an oppostion player and often quickly comes back into your own half as likely as not, however it is a quick method of getting the ball away from your danger area. However the playing out from the back, whilst in theory keeping posession, can in practice lead to errors and opposition chances. For my money town still do too much faffing about in their own third and risk giving chances if the oppsition are pressing, although they do seem to have improved lately.
What really struck me in the Rochdale game was Tyrer regulary went long which I hadn't seen town do this season. Perhaps a mixture of both techniques is best to keep the oppostion guessing?

We've conceded 21 goals - more than enough data to use as a basis for a proper analysis on faffing. Why don't you do one?

[manc_spire]

It's the way teams want to play nowadays, and as Kev says, it starts at a very early age.
My lad's a keeper, 12, had a trial at Spurs, they said he was a great shot-stopper, but they wanted their keepers to be able to do at least 100 keepy ups using both feet.

[Paul Fisher]

https://youtu.be/lUW...m6xj8zuBq2cyb0M