[Phil V 72]

DMU Blue, on 05 July 2014 - 11:14 PM, said:

Can you imagine how our fans would react if we signed a player on 6k a week who didn't bag a goal in the first two games?

Can you imagine how some of the other players would react?

[Goku]

Phil V 72, on 06 July 2014 - 10:22 AM, said:

Can you imagine how some of the other players would react?

As professionals, I'd imagine. Why, how do you think they'd react?

[Phil V 72]

Goku, on 06 July 2014 - 10:25 AM, said:

As professionals, I'd imagine. Why, how do you think they'd react?

I think it would cause those players who aren't on anything like 6k to wonder why the club has broken the wage structure, especially if that player doesn't perform

[Goku]

Because that player is considerably better than them on paper and he has proven it in Scotland and Holland, assuming we're still talking about Higdon.

Thinking like yours would stop the club ever truly progressing. If we want good players we need to pay for them, and if the already very well paid players we have on the books kick up a fuss, so what? Do you see players protesting because one player is paid more than the rest at others around the world? Does Busquets get angry because Messi is on more than double his wage? Does Sergio Ramos complain because Ronaldo is on a big wage? No, because they're clever enough to realise that attackers cost more money than any other position wage-wise in general.

Another example; Rico was on considerably more than any other player in our squad last season if you listened to certain people. Didn't affect our title challenge much did it?

This post has been edited by Goku: 06 July 2014 - 10:42 AM

[Phil V 72]

Goku, on 06 July 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:

Because that player is considerably better than them on paper and he has proven it in Scotland and Holland, assuming we're still talking about Higdon.

Thinking like yours would stop the club ever truly progressing. If we want good players we need to pay for them, and if the already very well paid players we have on the books kick up a fuss, so what? Do you see players protesting because one player is paid more than the rest at others around the world? Does Busquets get angry because Messi is on more than double his wage? Does Sergio Ramos complain because Ronaldo is on a big wage? No, because they're clever enough to realise that attackers cost more money than any other position wage-wise in general.

Another example; Rico was on considerably more than any other player in our squad last season if you listened to certain people. Didn't affect our title challenge much did it?

What is my thinking?

[fadedblue]

Goku, on 06 July 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:

Because that player is considerably better than them on paper and he has proven it in Scotland and Holland, assuming we're still talking about Higdon.

Thinking like yours would stop the club ever truly progressing. If we want good players we need to pay for them, and if the already very well paid players we have on the books kick up a fuss, so what? Do you see players protesting because one player is paid more than the rest at others around the world? Does Busquets get angry because Messi is on more than double his wage? Does Sergio Ramos complain because Ronaldo is on a big wage? No, because they're clever enough to realise that attackers cost more money than any other position wage-wise in general.

Another example; Rico was on considerably more than any other player in our squad last season if you listened to certain people. Didn't affect our title challenge much did it?

When comparing the likes of Ronaldo and Messi you need to remember that a large chunk of their salary is from image rights.

[Goku]

Your thinking is that we shouldn't offer players good money because their team mates might get jealous. At least, that's what I took from your post. I may be wrong, it has been known every now and then.

fadedblue, on 06 July 2014 - 10:53 AM, said:

When comparing the likes of Ronaldo and Messi you need to remember that a large chunk of their salary is from image rights.

Walcott and... any Arsenal player, then. Walcott got a wage rise to 100k p/w recently. There's plenty of examples from the lower leagues as well I'm sure. Players should be intelligent enough to realise they're not all worth the same amount of money.

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[azul]

fadedblue, on 06 July 2014 - 10:53 AM, said:

When comparing the likes of Ronaldo and Messi you need to remember that a large chunk of their salary is from image rights.

Think you have missed the point

[fadedblue]

azul, on 06 July 2014 - 11:02 AM, said:

Think you have missed the point

Enlighten me.

[azul]

fadedblue, on 06 July 2014 - 11:04 AM, said:

Enlighten me.

I think the point he was making is that some players are worth more than others and his examples were extremes used to illustrate the point. If the player performs then a decent professional footballer would not object. I suspect most would think, fair play to you.

How his examples wage is structured wasn't really the point

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[starsky72]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 06 July 2014 - 12:34 AM, said:

What we can afford

Which is how much??

People are quick to scoff at us spending £6000 per week on a good striker, so there must be an acceptable wage level?

[fadedblue]

azul, on 06 July 2014 - 11:12 AM, said:

I think the point he was making is that some players are worth more than others and his examples were extremes used to illustrate the point. If the player performs then a decent professional footballer would not object. I suspect most would think, fair play to you.

How his examples wage is structured wasn't really the point

As you say, if the player performs. However if he doesn't those same players quickly become disenchanted that he earns double what they earn.

Something else that needs be taken into consideration when paying supposed top dollar for a player is the difficulty to off load if things don't work out as planned.

I'll nail my pants to the mast and say that in my opinion paying Higdon £6K would be as silly as paying Richards £3K.

[azul]

fadedblue, on 06 July 2014 - 11:32 AM, said:

As you say, if the player performs. However if he doesn't those same players quickly become disenchanted that he earns double what they earn.

Something else that needs be taken into consideration when paying supposed top dollar for a player is the difficulty to off load if things don't work out as planned.

I'll nail my pants to the mast and say that in my opinion paying Higdon £6K would be as silly as paying Richards £3K.

If he performed like he did for Motherwell then it would be money well spent and no one would complain

If he doesn't then it could be an expensive mistake.

It is a risk but then again so is any other (non)signing

[Westbars Spireite]

Phil V 72, on 06 July 2014 - 10:32 AM, said:

I think it would cause those players who aren't on anything like 6k to wonder why the club has broken the wage structure, especially if that player doesn't perform

Didn't do Manchester City much harm last season. Some of their players earn multiples of others. That's how it goes.

[DMU Blue]

In some people's eyes there's no difference between ambition and spending beyond our means.

I'd be pleased with signing Higdon but I'd be less than impressed if it pushed us beyond what we can afford

[fadedblue]

Westbars Spireite, on 06 July 2014 - 11:50 AM, said:

Didn't do Manchester City much harm last season. Some of their players earn multiples of others. That's how it goes.

Debatable. Think you will find Manchester City board had sights set on Champions League success more than Premier league. So basically they spent a lot of money to gain a consolation prize.

[Goku]

fadedblue, on 06 July 2014 - 12:06 PM, said:

Debatable. Think you will find Manchester City board had sights set on Champions League success more than Premier league. So basically they spent a lot of money to gain a consolation prize.

Not particularly relevant. I assume you have evidence to back this up, though?

[fadedblue]

azul, on 06 July 2014 - 11:46 AM, said:

If he performed like he did for Motherwell then it would be money well spent and no one would complain

If he doesn't then it could be an expensive mistake.

It is a risk but then again so is any other (non)signing

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It's also about the level of risk and having a get out if things don't go as planned. For us a £6K week player is a very big investment with little chance of getting rid if things don't work out.

[fadedblue]

Goku, on 06 July 2014 - 12:09 PM, said:

Not particularly relevant. I assume you have evidence to back this up, though?

If you mean something like a letter signed by the City Chairman sent to me personally, then the answer is no.

[Goku]

So when you say "think you'll find" you weren't really sure, were you?