[Bonnyman]

Who will win?

Well I have had a good look at the videos , forget fury’s last 2 fights and concentrate on his defeat of Klitschko

Fury confused klitschko that night and deserved to win but it was a very poor fight on reflection and the tempo was very slow with not many good exchanges

Positives for fury

Beat the no1 heavyweight
Taller man
Heavier man
Longer reach
Great movement
Better technical boxer

Negatives

2 awful warm ups
Huge weight loss
Not a big puncher
Unknown trainer
Punch volume per round
Has been knocked down

Wilder has been spoon fed some real bums in his career but s 39 ko record from 40 fights is impressive his last fight against luis Ortiz a boxer unbeaten and with pedigree was good, the exchanges from both were at times excellent and both carried power and speed

Positives for wilder

Devasting right hand
Good chin
Throws punches in bunches in exchanges with intent
Great athlete

Negatives

Awkward
Easy to hit at times
Is he as good against s bigger man as took a wide stance against Ortiz to improve power which he cannot do against fury

Convlusion

I can only see 2 outcomes a points win for fury or a devastating knockout by wilder, I think the most impressive form should be judged on the actual fights they have had and the win over Ortiz was the best fight of the two

Wilder by a middle round ko is my fancy, I see a lack of real fights and the weight loss is not ideal for fury and he carries far too many negatives for me to see him winning

[CFC91]

The longer it goes on the more I think you'd fancy Fury. Don't think it'll be as clean cut as some think though

[Mr Mercury]

Bonnyman, on 28 November 2018 - 11:42 AM, said:

Who will win?

Well I have had a good look at the videos , forget fury’s last 2 fights and concentrate on his defeat of Klitschko

Fury confused klitschko that night and deserved to win but it was a very poor fight on reflection and the tempo was very slow with not many good exchanges

Positives for fury

Beat the no1 heavyweight
Taller man
Heavier man
Longer reach
Great movement
Better technical boxer

Negatives

2 awful warm ups
Huge weight loss
Not a big puncher
Unknown trainer
Punch volume per round
Has been knocked down

Wilder has been spoon fed some real bums in his career but s 39 ko record from 40 fights is impressive his last fight against luis Ortiz a boxer unbeaten and with pedigree was good, the exchanges from both were at times excellent and both carried power and speed

Positives for wilder

Devasting right hand
Good chin
Throws punches in bunches in exchanges with intent
Great athlete

Negatives

Awkward
Easy to hit at times
Is he as good against s bigger man as took a wide stance against Ortiz to improve power which he cannot do against fury

Convlusion

I can only see 2 outcomes a points win for fury or a devastating knockout by wilder, I think the most impressive form should be judged on the actual fights they have had and the win over Ortiz was the best fight of the two

Wilder by a middle round ko is my fancy, I see a lack of real fights and the weight loss is not ideal for fury and he carries far too many negatives for me to see him winning

That's a pretty fair assessment. A fully fit and focussed Fury would be a real handful, and imho too much, for Wilder, but the amount of time out of the ring and his very limited warm up "fights" leaves me thinking this is way too early. I'd love Fury to do it but I'm with you and expect a stoppage before the later rounds. Hope I'm wrong.

[Bonnyman]

Same here I want fury to win but the negatives are on his side and not on wilders

[ash_cfc]

Draw. Boxing is corrupt. Rematch between Fury & Wilder next year keeps AJ & Hearn at bay.

[SpireiteFitzy]

Fury's a master of mind games and you only have to look at the presser they had the other day to see he's well and truly in Wilder's head. Fury to win on points.

[mhgreats]

Although I failed to pick his title win in 2015, I am surprised that many people are giving Fury a chance this time round, given his long lay-off and the various battles he has faced during that period of inactivity.
I am anticipating that Fury will adopt the gameplan he used in the victory over Klitschko, to be as elusive as possible and to try to avoid becoming engaged in any sustained spells of hitting. Wilder’s temperament and punching power should mean that his way of combating Fury will be very different to Klitschko’s.
Fury’s winding-up of Wilder could mean the champ explodes from the first bell to try for a quick demolition, similar to the Bermaine Stiverne rematch. Wilder could, though, use home advantage to keep him ahead on the scorecards whilst cutting down the ring until Fury slows and becomes an easier target.
I do expect Fury to feel the speed and power of Wilder.

[Bonnyman]

mhgreats, on 29 November 2018 - 11:05 PM, said:

Although I failed to pick his title win in 2015, I am surprised that many people are giving Fury a chance this time round, given his long lay-off and the various battles he has faced during that period of inactivity.
I am anticipating that Fury will adopt the gameplan he used in the victory over Klitschko, to be as elusive as possible and to try to avoid becoming engaged in any sustained spells of hitting. Wilder’s temperament and punching power should mean that his way of combating Fury will be very different to Klitschko’s.
Fury’s winding-up of Wilder could mean the champ explodes from the first bell to try for a quick demolition, similar to the Bermaine Stiverne rematch. Wilder could, though, use home advantage to keep him ahead on the scorecards whilst cutting down the ring until Fury slows and becomes an easier target.
I do expect Fury to feel the speed and power of Wilder.

46lbs heavier than wilder, that’s s huge difference, if fury gets in s clinch expect him dropping his shoulders on top of wilder, it’s 50:50 now imo

[Bonnyman]

44lbs to be correct which is the same as his advantage over Steve cunningham

[Bonnyman]

ash_cfc, on 28 November 2018 - 05:11 PM, said:

Draw. Boxing is corrupt. Rematch between Fury & Wilder next year keeps AJ & Hearn at bay.

33/1 hope you were on

[ArcticSpireite]

Absolutely disgusting. What a total farce.

[Stoptalkingbol]

Disgrace. 115-111 wilder, wow!

[ash_cfc]

£15 @ 25/1 & £10 @ 33/1 for the draw. Easy money!

[hilly81]

ash_cfc, on 02 December 2018 - 06:33 AM, said:

£15 @ 25/1 & £10 @ 33/1 for the draw. Easy money!

Well played mate. That’s Christmas sorted.

[Mr Mercury]

ash_cfc, on 02 December 2018 - 06:33 AM, said:

£15 @ 25/1 & £10 @ 33/1 for the draw. Easy money!

I had a brief look at it before the fight but thought..nah..well done!
Terrible decision but it keeps AJ away so Wilders team will be happy.

[Spired]

ash_cfc, on 28 November 2018 - 05:11 PM, said:

Draw. Boxing is corrupt. Rematch between Fury & Wilder next year keeps AJ & Hearn at bay.

That was a solid prediction...robbery though

[Johnnyspireite7]

I listened to it last night/this morning on R5L, had Fury not been knocked down twice whereas Wilder didn't go down once he'd have won all hands down. There has to be a rematch but not in the US cos it'll be a stitch up again. What was the Mexican judge sniffing to have Wilder 4 rounds ahead of Fury?

This post has been edited by Johnnyspireite7: 02 December 2018 - 09:04 AM

[SpireiteFitzy]

Mr Mercury, on 02 December 2018 - 08:03 AM, said:

I had a brief look at it before the fight but thought..nah..well done!
Terrible decision but it keeps AJ away so Wilders team will be happy.

See it looks more like AJ will be happier so he can duck them both longer. Think all that time it took negotiations between him and Wilder before they broke down. Fury went straight in there and the fights already done in less time than that took.

He cant duck the winner of the rematch should there be one though.

[Mr Mercury]

SpireiteFitzy, on 02 December 2018 - 06:37 PM, said:

See it looks more like AJ will be happier so he can duck them both longer. Think all that time it took negotiations between him and Wilder before they broke down. Fury went straight in there and the fights already done in less time than that took.

He cant duck the winner of the rematch should there be one though.

The fight was made quickly simply because it kept Wilder away from Joshua and Wilder expected another pushover. Don't get me wrong Fury was superb but if you seriously think Joshua is avoiding either I think you're wrong!. The reasons negotiations are so awkward for Wilder Joshua is because of the obstacles and stupid demands Wilders team make.

[Bonnyman]

Mr Mercury, on 02 December 2018 - 06:54 PM, said:

The fight was made quickly simply because it kept Wilder away from Joshua and Wilder expected another pushover. Don't get me wrong Fury was superb but if you seriously think Joshua is avoiding either I think you're wrong!. The reasons negotiations are so awkward for Wilder Joshua is because of the obstacles and stupid demands Wilders team make.

Just watched all 12 rounds, imo a lot of the rounds were close as fury only just nicked them , I scored the first 5 infurys favour 4-1 which mirrored 2 of the 3 judges.

Fury’s head movement is unreal and he can only get better , he needs to work on his punching power at this level as he does a lot of arm shots but he would beat wilder next time easily, he would be a nightmare for Joshua and would hit him easier than he did wilder, this was a better performance than klitscko fight and fury imo is the most talented boxer in the division