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eddymelt, on 17 December 2023 - 05:31 PM, said:

It depends what medical science and Worldwide medical profession you wish to accept. The Worldwide medical profession that follows the actual, constantly evolving science, or the dogmatic Worldwide medical profession that follows the science that follows the money?
Who're the biggest TV advertisers by some considerable way? Big Pharma is the answer
I think that the anonymous poster on Bob's Board was, perhaps, alluding to this and asking questions?

Imho I don't think it's right to point the finger straight at the jabs, and although there are a few instances of it happening before 2020, this definitely never used to happen anywhere near as much across not just the sporting World, but all ages and demographics.

To not ask questions would be irresponsible?

I am talking about the science that is responsible for wonder drugs, cures and surgical techniques - not the TV cough mixture and painkiller branch of the business.
It would be irresponsible of me not to ask you to reference your source of information for your last statement.

[Manfred Archie Mac Gerbil]

isleaiw1 said:

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You know, real experts who are studying data and facts, not just stirring controversy...

Why don’t these so called experts actually share their data and facts?

The general public aren’t receiving any Covid vaccine reports until the mid 2060s, the experts are the ones stirring the controversy for not making this information public leaving loads of unanswered questions and speculation.

Fact is, nobody knows how well the vaccines work, nobody knows how safe they were and nobody can vouch for its success rate either way which only leaves speculation as to what are they hiding and how dangerous they could potentially be.

[isleaiw1]

Manfred Archie Mac Gerbil, on 17 December 2023 - 07:59 PM, said:

Why don’t these so called experts actually share their data and facts?

The general public aren’t receiving any Covid vaccine reports until the mid 2060s, the experts are the ones stirring the controversy for not making this information public leaving loads of unanswered questions and speculation.

Fact is, nobody knows how well the vaccines work, nobody knows how safe they were and nobody can vouch for its success rate either way which only leaves speculation as to what are they hiding and how dangerous they could potentially be.

The article contains links to studies, so you can read the info if you want. So they do provide data. What I dont see is the same info being provided by those who cast doubt on it...

[DMU Blue]

At least these folks have moved on from vaccines causing autism.

It’s heart attacks now.

[Manfred Archie Mac Gerbil]

DMU Blue said:

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At least these folks have moved on from vaccines causing autism.

It's heart attacks now.

I never realised they caused autism, that’s a new one on me.

I thinks it’s heart attacks now because most of us have seen players collapsing on football fields, fans collapsing in stadiums and defibrillator machines popping up all over the place, some of us are just interested to know what’s going on and why it’s happening.and what can be done to actually stop this.

[Manfred Archie Mac Gerbil]

isleaiw1 said:

1702844193[/url]' post='1790950']
The article contains links to studies, so you can read the info if you want. So they do provide data. What I dont see is the same info being provided by those who cast doubt on it...

I’ve studied the link, I was actually hoping for an answer to my question in post #40 but you seem to have blindly missed that and you’re scientist friends are unsurprisingly silent on the matter too.

[isleaiw1]

Manfred Archie Mac Gerbil, on 17 December 2023 - 08:34 PM, said:

I never realised they caused autism, that’s a new one on me.

I thinks it’s heart attacks now because most of us have seen players collapsing on football fields, fans collapsing in stadiums and defibrillator machines popping up all over the place, some of us are just interested to know what’s going on and why it’s happening.and what can be done to actually stop this.

We've put defibs in recently, nothing to do with covid or jabs, just looking to do it for a while... maybe the same for others, they have made a big thing about it in the press recently...

[Mr Mercury]

I think a lot of people put it down to their own experience and views.
I had a pretty bad dose of covid, not hospitalised or in need of medical treatment, but just absolutely out on my feet for a few weeks. All this was pre jab. I then took part in the NHS plasma screening test and was found to have extremely high antibodies and donated plasma. After that, when the jobs became available I still went ahead and had them, the first two were Astra Zenica and apart from feeling a bit rough the next day all was fine. I then had the third jab, or the booster as it was called, and that was Pfizer. No problems until a couple of weeks later when I was plagued with night sweats and really worrying heart palpitations. I didn’t seek medical help, much to my wife’s disdain but soldiered on, stupidly really. Thankfully things died down and returned to normal. But now do I regret having the jabs? Maybe yes, but I’d have no more and deep down I think most would recognise that they were a rush job.

[Manfred Archie Mac Gerbil]

isleaiw1 said:

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We've put defibs in recently, nothing to do with covid or jabs, just looking to do it for a while... maybe the same for others, they have made a big thing about it in the press recently...

Why have more footballers collapsed of heart problems on the field in the last 3 years than in the last 100 years?

[60s 70s Spireite]

isleaiw1, on 17 December 2023 - 08:39 PM, said:

We've put defibs in recently, nothing to do with covid or jabs, just looking to do it for a while... maybe the same for others, they have made a big thing about it in the press recently...

Indeed.
Good job we have folk like Mark King who has campaigned to have a defibrillator machine in every school since his 12 year old son died of a sudden cardiac arrest in 2011, and has now succeeded.

https://www.bbc.co.u...eyside-66311104

[calvin plummers socks]

Manfred Archie Mac Gerbil, on 17 December 2023 - 08:41 PM, said:

Why have more footballers collapsed of heart problems on the field in the last 3 years than in the last 100 years?

Nonsense

[isleaiw1]

Manfred Archie Mac Gerbil, on 17 December 2023 - 08:41 PM, said:

Why have more footballers collapsed of heart problems on the field in the last 3 years than in the last 100 years?

stats please.

[Manfred Archie Mac Gerbil]

Mr Mercury said:

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But now do I regret having the jabs? Maybe yes, but I'd have no more and deep down I think most would recognise that they were a rush job.

^ ^ ^ ^

[Manfred Archie Mac Gerbil]

calvin plummers socks said:

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Nonsense

Apart from Marc Vivian Foe and a couple of obscure ones, how many footballers can you name than have collapsed on the field prior to 2021?

[60s 70s Spireite]

Manfred Archie Mac Gerbil, on 17 December 2023 - 09:04 PM, said:

Apart from Marc Vivian Foe and a couple of obscure ones, how many footballers can you name than have collapsed on the field prior to 2021?

I recall York’s Longhurst, Terry Yorath’s young son, and of course Muamba who technically died for 78 minutes.
But not to worry, Wiki have done the job for us
https://en.wikipedia...g_their_careers

[calvin plummers socks]

Manfred Archie Mac Gerbil, on 17 December 2023 - 09:04 PM, said:

Apart from Marc Vivian Foe and a couple of obscure ones, how many footballers can you name than have collapsed on the field prior to 2021?

Oh dear boy - come on - do your research

[hilly81]

Manfred Archie Mac Gerbil, on 17 December 2023 - 08:34 PM, said:

I never realised they caused autism, that’s a new one on me.

I thinks it’s heart attacks now because most of us have seen players collapsing on football fields, fans collapsing in stadiums and defibrillator machines popping up all over the place, some of us are just interested to know what’s going on and why it’s happening.and what can be done to actually stop this.

I have no wish to get involved in this debate but here is a useful thread regarding medical emergencies in crowds: https://x.com/shelfs...jzTQr46jJsxir7g

[rodney]

60s 70s Spireite, on 17 December 2023 - 09:20 PM, said:

I recall York’s Longhurst, Terry Yorath’s young son, and of course Muamba who technically died for 78 minutes.
But not to worry, Wiki have done the job for us
https://en.wikipedia...g_their_careers

I said the same hours ago but he’s ignored that response.

[calvin plummers socks]

hilly81, on 17 December 2023 - 09:25 PM, said:

I have no wish to get involved in this debate but here is a useful thread regarding medical emergencies in crowds: https://x.com/shelfs...jzTQr46jJsxir7g

Interesting this - all clubs were issued directions to ensure matches not to stop due to crowd issues.
Crowd medical teams are always in place (not always the best provision mind)- but games shouldn’t stop for any single medical issue in a crowd.
Each club has a trained crowd doctor though (EFL and Prem) to deal with issues.

[hilly81]

calvin plummers socks, on 17 December 2023 - 09:29 PM, said:

Interesting this - all clubs were issued directions to ensure matches not to stop due to crowd issues.
Crowd medical teams are always in place (not always the best provision mind)- but games shouldn’t stop for any single medical issue in a crowd.
Each club has a trained crowd doctor though (EFL and Prem) to deal with issues.

This thread is 18 months old now so the directives may have changed since then.