[Majorca Mac]

Mark Jones, on Jun 8 2005, 01:44 PM, said:

Just to put Evvo's transfer into perspective.  Paul Heffernan has signed for Donny for 125K. 

All in all I think the board did well to get £150 (200)k for Evvo.  Maybe more if they sell him on.
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Heffernan has just had a poor season and has failed to establish himself in the Bristol City side. Consequently he now has to re-establish himself. By contrast, Evatt has had a very good season and been a major factor in us enjoying a season of relative success.

I just wonder if you're trying to convince yourself that we've negotiated a good deal - you certainly won't convince me we maximised the opportunity.

[Majorca Mac]

Mark Jones, on Jun 8 2005, 02:00 PM, said:

Fair enough, but I am not trying to convince myself of anything.  You also have to remember that Evvo was a defender in a team with a not so hot defensive record.

One question:

How many players have been sold this summer, from our division for more than we got for Evvo?
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Can we agree that we have got £150k for him if the figures quoted are correct? I don't know if that might also include his reported £25k signing-on fee or not. For us to get the additional increments (to take it up to the reported max £200k) there will be a whole host of qualifying factors such as his number of appearances, QPR being promoted to the Prem in a certain timescale etc., etc. Therefore, we may or may not see more than the reported £150k. Likewise any sell-on %. Do we still not know how much this is??

I am unaware of how many players have been sold from our division for more than this. Very often the fee package is simply 'undisclosed.' But I can't accept that precedent is the only factor determining a player's transfer value. Value is determined by how much anyone is prepared to pay, and that is the crux of my argument. If we are to believe that several clubs were wanting Evatt, then we could have gained through an auction being allowed to develop. The fact that the transfer was rushed through by QPR, (I believe so as to avoid the very potential of the fee being inflated) has left me wondering what might have been.

We will simply never know if we've got top dollar, and as you well know, given our perilous financial state, we can't afford to miss the boat when £ tens of thousands are at stake.

A question for you:

Do you believe that Ryan Taylor will leave Tranmere for the same fee as we got for Ian Evatt?

[dalekpete]

Majorca Mac, on Jun 8 2005, 03:30 PM, said:

If we are to believe that several clubs were wanting Evatt, then we could have gained through an auction being allowed to develop. The fact that the transfer was rushed through by QPR, (I believe so as to avoid the very potential of the fee being inflated) has left me wondering what might have been.
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Only one other club ever enquired about Evatt and they backed off when it was obvious that money was involved.

[Majorca Mac]

dalekpete, on Jun 8 2005, 02:36 PM, said:

Only one other club ever enquired about Evatt and they backed off when it was obvious that money was involved.
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Pity we aren't all privy to this info, Pete. As I've had cause to say on many occasions, you seem to know more than most. Anyway, if that's the case, then reports of his services being in demand were wide of the mark and my theory omplete nonsense. Still, it whiles away a sunny afternoon looking out of my window at others enjoying themselves.

[Frank Thacker]

Majorca Mac, on Jun 8 2005, 03:30 PM, said:

Do you believe that Ryan Taylor will leave Tranmere for the same fee as we got for Ian Evatt?
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I'd have thought he'd have gone for more since he's likely as not to go to a Prem side (which automatically whacks the noughts on) and he is an appreciably better player than Evatt*, in my humble, of course.



*Good as he is, and all that

[Majorca Mac]

Saltergate Stu, on Jun 8 2005, 03:22 PM, said:

I'd have thought he'd have gone for more since he's likely as not to go to a Prem side (which automatically whacks the noughts on) and he is an appreciably better player than Evatt*, in my humble, of course.
*Good as he is, and all that
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Thanks for that Stu. You have illustrated the point I was seeking to make. Jonesy seemed to me to be suggesting that just because no other Div 1 player has evidently been sold for more than Ian Evatt over the last few weeks, then we have got the best deal possible. A player's ability (and the demand for his services) also comes into the equation.

[Majorca Mac]

Mark Jones, on Jun 8 2005, 04:01 PM, said:

I do believe we got the best deal possible, you and a few others obviously don't. 

We will never really know

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In all fairness, I think we actually agree. I suppose its in my nature to feel that we've done the best we can and done everything possible to maximise the potential of this (or any other) deal. Its the 'not knowing' that sows the seeds of doubt in my mind.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Mark Jones, on Jun 8 2005, 05:01 PM, said:

Sorry Mac but I was not suggesting that and if it came cross that way then I appologise.

I do believe we got the best deal possible, you and a few others obviously don't.  We will never really know and as we are not involved in football at managerial level, we (I) would probably not fully understand the detail anyway.

I asked the question to highlight the fact that little transfer dealings have happened and not much money is changing hands generally, I think this is a sign of the times.  I dont believe we jumped in and grabbed the first offer, as Pete said, it was the only offer and Evvo had a clause in his contract which meant we had to let him talk to them.  Maybe QPR have expanded the truth a bit in their desparation to sign Evvo.  We did reject their first bid of 100K
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Most of the talk about other clubs being interested is from QPR and it is in their interests to bull up the signing of Evvo. Let's face it their fans will be saying WHO. He's come from little Chezzie from a defence that poured goals. They have to balance the fact that they have bought him at a time when there is plenty of speculation about Danny Shittu leaving. They are hardly going to say we got him for a snip as we were the only club who made an offer and he is here to replace Shittu. Doesn't it sound much better to say we were amongst a host of clubs clambering for his signature but we were desperate to sign him so we flew out to make sure we got him
Incidentally where was Evvo's agent in all of this? If there was a host of clubs after him you can bet anything you want that they would have talked to them. QPR hardly a top club and in a very pricey area for housing etc I'm sure if other clubs were interested he would have spoken them even if just to see what was on offer.
Of the clubs rumoured to be in for him earlier in the year, Brizzle said they didn't have any money for transfers and chairman reluctant to shell out again after previous promotion campaigns come unstuck. Needed to sell first before funds available
Coventry - skint and not looking to sign anybody for a fee

It was a one team auction and we got 150k which is all he was worth if no-one else came in.
As for the Taylor comaparison someone mentioned, there isn't one Taylor is streets ahead of Evvo. Whislt Evvo has some potential I don't think he has the pace to succeed at the highest level. Taylor will go straight into the prem as he is ready now and capable of holding is own. Class player.

[Sherman]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on Jun 8 2005, 06:03 PM, said:

Most of the talk about other clubs being interested is from QPR and it is in their interests to bull up the signing of Evvo. Let's face it their fans will be saying WHO. He's come from little Chezzie from a defence that poured goals. They have to balance the fact that they have bought him at a time when there is plenty of speculation about Danny Shittu leaving. They are hardly going to say we got him for a snip as we were the only club who made an offer and he is here to replace Shittu. Doesn't it sound much better to say we were amongst a host of clubs clambering for his signature but we were desperate to sign him so we flew out to make sure we got him
Incidentally where was Evvo's agent in all of this? If there was a host of clubs after him you can bet anything you want that they would have talked to them. QPR hardly a top club and in a very pricey area for housing etc I'm sure if other clubs were interested he would have spoken them even if just to see what was on offer.
Of the clubs rumoured to be in for him earlier in the year, Brizzle said they didn't have any money for transfers and chairman reluctant to shell out again after previous promotion campaigns come unstuck. Needed to sell first before funds available
Coventry - skint and not looking to sign anybody for a fee

It was a one team auction and we got 150k which is all he was worth if no-one else came in.
As for the Taylor comaparison someone mentioned, there isn't one Taylor is streets ahead of Evvo. Whislt Evvo has some potential I don't think he has the pace to succeed at the highest level. Taylor will go straight into the prem as he is ready now and capable of holding is own. Class player.
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Agree entirely - summarised to perfection - end of.

Time we moved on?

[spireite tom]

The Chief, on Jun 9 2005, 05:29 PM, said:

I'd like to know how much of a sell on clause we have put on him
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Probably be a 10 to 20% one,but thats just a guess!!

[Majorca Mac]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on Jun 8 2005, 05:03 PM, said:

....As for the Taylor comaparison someone mentioned, there isn't one Taylor is streets ahead of Evvo. Whislt Evvo has some potential I don't think he has the pace to succeed at the highest level. Taylor will go straight into the prem as he is ready now and capable of holding is own. Class player.
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I was in no way comparing the two players. Taylor is top drawer, Evatt was released by a Championship side. I mentioned Ryan Taylor in response to the assertion that as we had got one of the highest declared transfer fees for a player leaving a Div 1 club in recent weeks, precedent dictated there was some sort of ceiling on any fee we could expect. I argued that ability of the player and demand for their services actually dictated the money involved.

[Lorraine]

Alex Green, on Jun 9 2005, 11:01 PM, said:

25% - fact
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How do you know that Mr Green??