[Humpalumpa]

We must get out of this s**te division this season, god its poor........if we dont, I fear we will be in this division for a good few years to come.
I spoke with some Brentford fans yesterday on way back to the coach, they thought it was a good game ??
Really...we were poor again, but not as bad as Accrington away though !!!!!.
If Mansfailed avoid the conference, that is the only game we will have to look forward to next season.

After witnessing the game yesterday , whats happened to the free flowing football...Peterboro, Lincoln, Mk Dons, even some of the home games which we did not win.. etc
I am of the opinion that we are in the exact same position as last year.

Last year it was obvious to the fans that we needed some experience and a goalscorer to guide us out of the slump and stop the slide down the table after Christmas.
Nothing was done apart from the signing of Ward....wot happened...the slide continued and we were relegated.
After yesterday we are in the same position again ( only higher up the table )....no one on the bench to change things, why are we signing kids ....we need some experience, a MIDFIELD that competes and can tackle, a decent SPINE to the team, from back to front ......Rico playing square pegs in round holes, Poor tactics ....players out of position....are we Forests feeder club??.

Dont let it happen Rico , get us out now before its to late.

[BlueRover52]

gubbyalan, on Jan 13 2008, 02:14 PM, said:

We must get out of this s**te division this season, god its poor........if we dont, I fear we will be in this division for a good few years to come.
I spoke with some Brentford fans yesterday on way back to the coach, they thought it was a good game ??
Really...we were poor again, but not as bad as Accrington away though !!!!!.
If Mansfailed avoid the conference, that is the only game we will have to look forward to next season.

After witnessing the game yesterday , whats happened to the free flowing football...Peterboro, Lincoln, Mk Dons, even some of the home games which we did not win.. etc
I am of the opinion that we are in the exact same position as last year.

Last year it was obvious to the fans that we needed some experience and a goalscorer to guide us out of the slump and stop the slide down the table after Christmas.
Nothing was done apart from the signing of Ward....wot happened...the slide continued and we were relegated.
After yesterday we are in the same position again ( only higher up the table )....no one on the bench to change things, why are we signing kids ....we need some experience, a MIDFIELD that competes and can tackle, a decent SPINE to the team, from back to front ......Rico playing square pegs in round holes, Poor tactics ....players out of position....are we Forests feeder club??.

Dont let it happen Rico , get us out now before its to late.

Clearly in Ricos hands, he has put the team together, certainly aint got them firing consistently. We have the spine of-----
Roche
Kovacs
Leven-Niv
Lester

Compliment this spine with the choices he has and we will get there, but we don't operate as a unit and don't seem mentally strong.

[fishini]

BlueRover52, on Jan 13 2008, 07:51 PM, said:

Clearly in Ricos hands, he has put the team together, certainly aint got them firing consistently. We have the spine of-----
Roche
Kovacs
Leven-Niv
Lester

Compliment this spine with the choices he has and we will get there, but we don't operate as a unit and don't seem mentally strong.

[Blueprint]

If we were to lose Lester (which i don't believe we will) and fail to replace him with a like for like player then we will be in the same predicament as last year, but i think we are a lot better than last season. Last season Folan was performing wonders in the cup, but not doing as well in the league, we sold him and brought in a player who would have complimented Folan but he wasn't a suitable replacement for him, then Ward got injured and Mac couldn't find a suitable striker for love nor money - then he paid the price for his failure but it was too late to keep us up.

This season we have many decent players, but often then don't quite operate as a unit, players like Niven, and Downes have qualities but they keep letting us down time and time again.

We do require an older, wiser experienced head, preferably in the middle of the park, to help organise things and guide us through when the pressure is on, but whether we can bring one in depends on the funds we have to play with, therefore we usually end up turning to youth in an attempt to improve things, sometimes this works, others it's not so effective.

[Doughnut]

Blueprint, on Jan 13 2008, 08:08 PM, said:

If we were to lose Lester (which i don't believe we will) and fail to replace him with a like for like player then we will be in the same predicament as last year, but i think we are a lot better than last season. Last season Folan was performing wonders in the cup, but not doing as well in the league, we sold him and brought in a player who would have complimented Folan but he wasn't a suitable replacement for him, then Ward got injured and Mac couldn't find a suitable striker for love nor money - then he paid the price for his failure but it was too late to keep us up.

This season we have many decent players, but often then don't quite operate as a unit, players like Niven, and Downes have qualities but they keep letting us down time and time again.

We do require an older, wiser experienced head, preferably in the middle of the park, to help organise things and guide us through when the pressure is on, but whether we can bring one in depends on the funds we have to play with, therefore we usually end up turning to youth in an attempt to improve things, sometimes this works, others it's not so effective.

This older and wiser head. Is he going to play in place of Niven or Leven?

[dim view]

Blueprint, on Jan 13 2008, 08:08 PM, said:

If we were to lose Lester (which i don't believe we will) and fail to replace him with a like for like player then we will be in the same predicament as last year, but i think we are a lot better than last season. Last season Folan was performing wonders in the cup, but not doing as well in the league, we sold him and brought in a player who would have complimented Folan but he wasn't a suitable replacement for him, then Ward got injured and Mac couldn't find a suitable striker for love nor money - then he paid the price for his failure but it was too late to keep us up.

This season we have many decent players, but often then don't quite operate as a unit, players like Niven, and Downes have qualities but they keep letting us down time and time again.

We do require an older, wiser experienced head, preferably in the middle of the park, to help organise things and guide us through when the pressure is on, but whether we can bring one in depends on the funds we have to play with, therefore we usually end up turning to youth in an attempt to improve things, sometimes this works, others it's not so effective.

Anybody who watched Folan on the televised match will be mystified about how we received all that lolly. He looked completely out of his depth. I predict League 1 for him within 12 months.

[Wooden Spoon]

Doughnut, on Jan 13 2008, 08:10 PM, said:

This older and wiser head. Is he going to play in place of Niven or Leven?

In place of Downes. He has made far too many mistakes this season.

dim view, on Jan 13 2008, 08:11 PM, said:

Anybody who watched Folan on the televised match will be mystified about how we received all that lolly. He looked completely out of his depth. I predict League 1 for him within 12 months.

The WBA game?

Yes he didn`t seem to know what to do in terms of his positioning. He needs to be running at defences to be effective.

[Doughnut]

death, on Jan 13 2008, 08:16 PM, said:

In place of Downes. He has made far too many mistakes this season.
The WBA game?

Yes he didn`t seem to know what to do in terms of his positioning. He needs to be running at defences to be effective.

Thought Blueprint was refering to midfield when he said 'centre of the park'. If this is the case it would be interesting to see who makes way to accommodate him. When not injured isn't Gray experienced, wise and good enough to fulfil this role in central defence?

[Blueprint]

Doughnut, on Jan 13 2008, 08:10 PM, said:

This older and wiser head. Is he going to play in place of Niven or Leven?

Niven, in my opinion.

[h again]

ChrisSnell, on Jan 13 2008, 11:00 PM, said:

My underlying point from the first few games of the season has been that nothing has really changed.

Under the McFarland/ Richardson regime we saw promising results and encouraging performances early on, but inevitably things deteriorated as the season progressed. And all the time a failure to capitalise on dominance allied to the conceding of avoidable goals appeared to be the common denominator.

The difference over the last few seasons was that we were dropping points to half decent sides instead of fourth division strugglers, though.

The defensive record last season was fairly good, as witness the success of Downes in the ballots for best player. It was the attack that cost us relegation.
This season goals aren't a problem but the defence leaks. Things have changed round completely.
But don't let this influence you in any way.

[Blueprint]

ChrisSnell, on Jan 13 2008, 11:00 PM, said:

The difference over the last few seasons was that we were dropping points to half decent sides instead of fourth division strugglers, though.

There is only the rotherham game where we have lost by more than one goal this season, last season we lost by more than one goal six times in the league, including a 4-0 tonking at Forest. There was also the really low point last season where we lost against Basingstoke in the FA cup a team not even worthy of the title fourth division strugglers.

Lets also not forget that although Brentford are a division four struggler this season we lost to them last season also, when they were division three strugglers.

If we are talking old money (old division four teams) where do teams like Scunthorpe, Crewe, Colchester and Doncaster fit in thesedays, they were division four strugglers for many seasons. You're only as good as the teams around you in the current season, something that Bradford are finding out this season, the lowest placed ex premiership team.

Look at Rochdale for instance they've been in this division since 1974, out of anyone surely they are best described as a division four struggler but this season they have the best squad capable of getting them promoted as they've had for eons, given there recent form - the fact that they lost their first away game since the opening day of the season on saturday should we think we have some kind of divine right to beat them due to what they have been capable of in previous years.

We did lose a fair number of points at home to lowly placed teams, but we lost to Barnet when they were on a good run (they reached the play off zone but have since faded), and then there was the 2-2 draw against Morecambe, we all thought we should beat them as they were a non league side last season, but now they are only a couple of placings below us.

Providing we continue to pick up points at the rate that we have all season we will be fine. Some you win, some you lose and they never seem to work out how you'd expect them too, but that's football, that's what makes the game so interesting

[BlueRover52]

Be constuctive fish, if Roche aint up to the mark then Jordan is I suppose . Regarding bringing in a new keeper, don't think so, we have other priorities!

[Dronny Spireite]

gubbyalan, on Jan 13 2008, 02:14 PM, said:

We must get out of this s**te division this season, god its poor........if we dont, I fear we will be in this division for a good few years to come.
I spoke with some Brentford fans yesterday on way back to the coach, they thought it was a good game ??
Really...we were poor again, but not as bad as Accrington away though !!!!!.
If Mansfailed avoid the conference, that is the only game we will have to look forward to next season.

After witnessing the game yesterday , whats happened to the free flowing football...Peterboro, Lincoln, Mk Dons, even some of the home games which we did not win.. etc
I am of the opinion that we are in the exact same position as last year.

Last year it was obvious to the fans that we needed some experience and a goalscorer to guide us out of the slump and stop the slide down the table after Christmas.
Nothing was done apart from the signing of Ward....wot happened...the slide continued and we were relegated.
After yesterday we are in the same position again ( only higher up the table )....no one on the bench to change things, why are we signing kids ....we need some experience, a MIDFIELD that competes and can tackle, a decent SPINE to the team, from back to front ......Rico playing square pegs in round holes, Poor tactics ....players out of position....are we Forests feeder club??.

Dont let it happen Rico , get us out now before its to late.

We'll be alright come may, As long as Rico spots the obvious in us neeeding at least 1 more midfielder !!

[h again]

ChrisSnell, on Jan 14 2008, 10:35 AM, said:

Our defensive record overall wasn't that bad, but i distinctly remember that many of the goals we did concede were sloppy, avoidable ones, often as a result of errors and that repeatedly cost us vital points.

And what have we witnessed this season? Sloppy, avoidable goals, often as a result of errors (even the management acknowledge that!) and that've repeatedly cost us vital points.

We were relegated because we failed to capitalise when in the ascendancy then being punished by "sucker punches".

Aka: the same old story.

It rather depends on what you call sloppy and avoidable goals - you'll find as many opinions on that as there are fans. The point is that we didn't concede MANY last year, and Downes was the player of the season.
As for the 'ascendancy', that's a place we didn't visit very often, chances created being at a worrying low all season. This season we're creating them all the time and putting enough away to win the league - if we didn't concede so readily.
I'd say the situation has changed round totally.

[Bugerov]

h again, on Jan 14 2008, 01:12 PM, said:

It rather depends on what you call sloppy and avoidable goals - you'll find as many opinions on that as there are fans. The point is that we didn't concede MANY last year, and Downes was the player of the season.
As for the 'ascendancy', that's a place we didn't visit very often, chances created being at a worrying low all season. This season we're creating them all the time and putting enough away to win the league - if we didn't concede so readily.
I'd say the situation has changed round totally.

What in your opinion is the reason for that?
Is it all because of Downes, the (avoidable) loss of Hazell, Hall and Allott, or other reasons?

This post has been edited by latewinner: 14 January 2008 - 03:54 PM