[SpireiteFitzy]

moondog, on 26 October 2016 - 04:25 PM, said:

Where do you get this from ? don't avoid the question as stating this as though its fact is not on.

There are the figures provided to me

"We do not pay any player more than £3,000 a week. This is a ceiling.

We have:

£2,000 Or Over £2,000 10 Players
Over £1,000 to £2,000 7 Players
Under £1,000 9 Players"

10 players on 2k+ ? That seems exceptionally high given the quality of this squad. Good job they aren't on performance related pay. Only Hird, Dennis, and Mcginn and Evans pre injury have put in performances warranting that level of wage.

[shaun1866]

calvin plummers socks, on 27 October 2016 - 06:27 PM, said:

I'd go down fighting unlike you Shaun ;-)

Your right there you would go down fighting.

[dim view]

SpireiteFitzy, on 28 October 2016 - 02:10 PM, said:

10 players on 2k+ ? That seems exceptionally high given the quality of this squad. Good job they aren't on performance related pay. Only Hird, Dennis, and Mcginn and Evans pre injury have put in performances warranting that level of wage.

Good point. We are not getting value for money from the big earners. Our sub £2k players are doing better than the high earners. It begs the question of whether a good motivator like John Coleman could do a better job just by giving a handful of key players - a goalie, CH, 2 strikers - top L1 money.

[Waller is my hero]

Direct questions to ask CT & DA at the AGM
1 how much money was made in our championship season under Sheridan?
2 how much money did we make winning the JPT?
3 how much money did we make winning the championship under Cook?
4 how much money did we make getting the JPT the same season?
5 how much money did we make getting into the 4th round of FA Cup v Derby?
6 how much money did we make reaching the Play Offs?
7 how much money did we make in transfer fees from...Cooper, Doyle, Roberts, Darikwa, Clucas & Morsy?

You look at that list & any director would be rubbing their hands!!!!!!

[Benno Spire]

Waller is my hero, on 29 October 2016 - 04:45 PM, said:

Direct questions to ask CT & DA at the AGM
1 how much money was made in our championship season under Sheridan?
2 how much money did we make winning the JPT?
3 how much money did we make winning the championship under Cook?
4 how much money did we make getting the JPT the same season?
5 how much money did we make getting into the 4th round of FA Cup v Derby?
6 how much money did we make reaching the Play Offs?
7 how much money did we make in transfer fees from...Cooper, Doyle, Roberts, Darikwa, Clucas & Morsy?

You look at that list & any director would be rubbing their hands!!!!!!

Rubbing their hands for probably the Wrong reasons

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Judging from the silence since i asked, I'm guessing our missing star striker ( Foodbanks)was probably signed on 5k 'ish a week.

It's possible the absence of a Carson'esque dismissal/threat of libel is far more telling than the weaselly evasions the big three spin our way!

[Wingy Blue]

The chairman is clearly a successful businessman who is worth a bob or two so he's not stupid.

What I don't understand is with £2m of player sales and crowds last season averaging just under 7k which is what he "demanded", how can we only make £40k profit AND the debt not reduce at all.... Something appears seriously wrong and I don't understand why the chairman isn't doing something to resolve the situation. Functions are regularly being held at the club and are generally well attended, so the banqueting side of the business must be successful so what is going on?

Hopefully we may get some answers at the AGM with feedback for those of us who aren't shareholders and can't attend.

[Westbars Spireite]

Wingy Blue, on 29 October 2016 - 08:05 PM, said:

The chairman is clearly a successful businessman who is worth a bob or two so he's not stupid.

What I don't understand is with £2m of player sales and crowds last season averaging just under 7k which is what he "demanded", how can we only make £40k profit AND the debt not reduce at all.... Something appears seriously wrong and I don't understand why the chairman isn't doing something to resolve the situation. Functions are regularly being held at the club and are generally well attended, so the banqueting side of the business must be successful so what is going on?

Hopefully we may get some answers at the AGM with feedback for those of us who aren't shareholders and can't attend.

Our accounts have more holes than a Dutch scud flick.

[valemadness]

Could somebody who is going please ask a question for me?
To Dave Allen, are you still happy being the chairman of our club? Is it time to appoint a chairman who can be at the club everyday to oversee the running of it and make sure everyone is doing the job they are supposed to.
Thanks in advance

[The Black Triangle]

valemadness, on 10 November 2016 - 12:29 PM, said:

Could somebody who is going please ask a question for me?
To Dave Allen, are you still happy being the chairman of our club? Is it time to appoint a chairman who can be at the club everyday to oversee the running of it and make sure everyone is doing the job they are supposed to.
Thanks in advance

Isn't that why you appoint a CEO?

[Mr Mercury]

valemadness, on 10 November 2016 - 12:29 PM, said:

Could somebody who is going please ask a question for me?
To Dave Allen, are you still happy being the chairman of our club? Is it time to appoint a chairman who can be at the club everyday to oversee the running of it and make sure everyone is doing the job they are supposed to.
Thanks in advance

We have one..a CEO, that his is remit. I suppose the accounts over the last few years show how well he's doing it.

[valemadness]

The Gimp, on 10 November 2016 - 12:30 PM, said:

Isn't that why you appoint a CEO?

Barrie Hubbard was chairman with Carol Wilbey as CEO. Barrie was at the club everyday, whereas Dave Allen is at the club once or twice a week.

[spireitedave]

Surely the time has come to appoint a Business Manager to swing the axe as he sees fit,we may not like all his decisions but we / Mr Allen cannot continue losing so much money each year.

[The Black Triangle]

valemadness, on 10 November 2016 - 02:42 PM, said:

Barrie Hubbard was chairman with Carol Wilbey as CEO. Barrie was at the club everyday, whereas Dave Allen is at the club once or twice a week.

If you have a good CEO running things for you, the chairman then has no need to be at the club any more than twice a week.

[Mac's Back]

The Gimp, on 10 November 2016 - 06:36 PM, said:

If you have a good CEO running things for you, the chairman then has no need to be at the club any more than twice a week.

A good one of each and we're sorted then.

[The Black Triangle]

Thinking about vale madness comment above, with Barry at the helm costs and losses were pretty much under control with a smaller turnover than we have now. Maybe the board should look at staffing levels and actions/spend/purchase under Barry and compare them to what we have now? At least it might give them a base to work towards.

[60s 70s Spireite]

The Gimp, on 12 November 2016 - 09:31 AM, said:

Thinking about vale madness comment above, with Barry at the helm costs and losses were pretty much under control with a smaller turnover than we have now. Maybe the board should look at staffing levels and actions/spend/purchase under Barry and compare them to what we have now? At least it might give them a base to work towards.

Under Barry we had run up losses of £900k from 2001 to 2009, and had committed to a new stadium with one helluva funding gap. If you want an example of how to run a football club, you have go back to the tyrant that was Norton Lea. He oversaw some very decent profits from the 1997 Cup run and the sale of Kevin Davies.
Then he spoiled it by buying Jason Lee at £250k (and Duncan made it clear he wasn't what he wanted) and handing over the ownership to Darren Brown.

[brockwell-spireite]

60s 70s Spireite, on 12 November 2016 - 12:07 PM, said:

Under Barry we had run up losses of £900k from 2001 to 2009, and had committed to a new stadium with one helluva funding gap. If you want an example of how to run a football club, you have go back to the tyrant that was Norton Lea. He oversaw some very decent profits from the 1997 Cup run and the sale of Kevin Davies.
Then he spoiled it by buying Jason Lee at £250k (and Duncan made it clear he wasn't what he wanted) and handing over the ownership to Darren Brown.

profits from kevin davies would've been double with a 10% sell on clause....

[60s 70s Spireite]

brockwell-spireite, on 12 November 2016 - 12:10 PM, said:

profits from kevin davies would've been double with a 10% sell on clause....

Yes, it's been well discussed and documented on here.

[DIFH]

The Gimp, on 12 November 2016 - 09:31 AM, said:

Thinking about vale madness comment above, with Barry at the helm costs and losses were pretty much under control with a smaller turnover than we have now. Maybe the board should look at staffing levels and actions/spend/purchase under Barry and compare them to what we have now? At least it might give them a base to work towards.

I don't think but I know the running costs of Saltergate compared to The Proact will be chalk and cheese. You can't turn the clock back. We have costly financial mistakes to carry forward yet still have to trade in the market place that exsists,

There are the H & S implications which we have to adhere to which are mind boggling but extremely costly when considering any decision.

Things are so different.