This post has been edited by bonnyman: 21 August 2014 - 07:39 AM
Scoring Goals As A Team.
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:39 AM
#2
Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:47 AM
bonnyman, on 21 August 2014 - 07:39 AM, said:
3 games played 1 goal scored. I would say those stats say different !!!!!
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:50 AM
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 07:51 AM
The Nemo Kid, on 21 August 2014 - 07:47 AM, said:
Bocu is a 1 in 9 player on career goals
Oshea 1 in 6
Banks 1 in 4.5
Doyle 1 in 4.5
Roberts 1 in 5
Gardner 1 in 3.5 but not a proven stat
The point being we may not need a player who is proven at this level a striker with a 1 in 3 ratio as a whole would be fine as long as it keeps the rayio of the front 4 down the lower the overall ratio the greater the chance of goals per game.
This post has been edited by bonnyman: 21 August 2014 - 08:00 AM
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 08:03 AM
bonnyman, on 21 August 2014 - 07:51 AM, said:
Oshea 1 in 6
Banks 1 in 4.5
Doyle 1 in 4.5
Roberts 1 in 5
Gardner 1 in 3.5 but not a proven stat
The point being we may not need a player who is proven at this level a striker with a 1 in 3 ratio as a whole would be fine as long as it keeps the rayio of the front 4 down the lower the overall ratio the greater the chance of goals per game.
Sorry Bonnyman , your original post makes no reference to career stats.
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 08:05 AM
The Nemo Kid, on 21 August 2014 - 08:00 AM, said:
It isnt about bocu im not analysing his performances or anybody else just demonstrating a theory that you could have players w x y and z in the front 4 but if their ratio of goals to games isnt high enough then as a team you will score less theoretically you could have a player who isnt as good as bocu but plays with a higher scoring ratio being a better point scoring asset.
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 08:14 AM
I think we are all concerned about where the goals are going to come from, but so far we should be worried more about Roberts et al than Boco.
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 08:16 AM
bonnyman, on 21 August 2014 - 07:39 AM, said:
Westbars has pointed out the elephant in the room re this theory. A proven striker would be ideal. Individual goal records are an indication of what will happen but they aren't set in stone eg Lester's record pre-Chesterfield. If we can't get a proven striker then hopefully it will "click" for Doyle this season and he can bag 20 goals.
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 08:20 AM
Nassau_board, on 21 August 2014 - 08:14 AM, said:
I think we are all concerned about where the goals are going to come from, but so far we should be worried more about Roberts et al than Boco.
You are right and it would be near impossible to find out ,interestingly cook told oshea he needed to score more goals last season yet his stats read better than bocu over his career but still fall short of the desired amount,like i said it isnt about individuals its just about the front 4s ability to score and imo the lower the ratio of the starting front 4 the less chance we have of them scoring.
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 08:24 AM
Spire-Power, on 21 August 2014 - 08:16 AM, said:
Thats why its a theory and thats why nassau is also correct in that bocu may not have played in the role,lester would be a great example of blowing the theory out the water but lester never played in a front 4 also and more or less as a 442 player .My theory is based on a system that requires all of the front 4 chipping in with goals on a consistent basis with the focal player doyle in our case having the lowesrlt ratio but not having to have a lester like ratio.
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 08:31 AM
bonnyman, on 21 August 2014 - 08:24 AM, said:
If Doyle plays around 40 games I reckon he could get 20 or close to it. Yes he might miss 500 chances but he'll score fairly regularly imo. Sometimes it just clicks for a player. It did for Banks last season before his injury. It could be Boco this season, who knows. Theres lots of examples of 'leopards changing their spots' when players move clubs eg Pope from Rotherham to Port vale.
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 08:41 AM
bonnyman, on 21 August 2014 - 08:24 AM, said:
Doyles ratio (if it's based on his whole career) doesn't allow for the fact he played RM the majority of his time in Scotland, and indeed he's played wide as much as he's played the line striker role here.
Surely you can only judge a players stats, based on his time with us, playing in our system, over a period of time.
With a good run as the lone striker (which it currently looks like he's gonna get) Doyle should get 15 goals over the season. This is still a decent return, for a mid-lower table league 1 side.
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 08:52 AM
bonnyman, on 21 August 2014 - 07:39 AM, said:
You could have saved yourself a lot of time and just put "Cook needs to go for a proven striker"
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 09:05 AM
Nassau_board, on 21 August 2014 - 08:14 AM, said:
I think we are all concerned about where the goals are going to come from, but so far we should be worried more about Roberts et al than Boco.
Good point his stats whilst playing for Paul Cook are 1 in 5.3, so PC obviously knows how to use him.
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 09:48 AM
Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 21 August 2014 - 08:52 AM, said:
Not really because proven striker at league 1 level costs big money thats why i gave a moneyball type theory that maybe a lower league striker who consistently scores 1 in 4 or better may be good enough.
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 09:53 AM
fatfrank, on 21 August 2014 - 09:05 AM, said:
Good call then ,it isnt about individuals its about scoring if bocu is 1 in 5.3 for cook then its pretty decent although id factor in that its been achieved at lower level so his ratio is in all probability going to decrease,osheas stats show he needs to score more goals
I just think that if you play a front four they need to chip in with 80% of the goals.
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 10:01 AM
Spire-Power, on 21 August 2014 - 08:31 AM, said:
Can't see Doyle ever getting a ration close to 2 goals every 5 games. 1 in 4 perhaps.
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 10:04 AM
bonnyman, on 21 August 2014 - 08:20 AM, said:
If O'Shea had been more sharper in front of goal he would have scored more.Having said that it can be applied to others.If the chances that come along are taken we will score more goals.As the MKDs match showed,clearcut chances may be rare playing at this "higher level",so they shouldn't be wasted when they present themselves.
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Posted 21 August 2014 - 10:11 AM
bonnyman, on 21 August 2014 - 09:53 AM, said:
I just think that if you play a front four they need to chip in with 80% of the goals.
I would agree with that entirely it was just that your OP seemed to single Boco out as being the under performer in our front four.
P.S. are you deliberately misspelling his name or is it some sort of auto correct.