[Surrey Spireite]

Drags them into the NLS relegation scrap - I never thought I'd see them in the NLS to start with, but this would be shocking if they end up dropping down another tier!

[gordon_brittas]

Another club that has been very badly run. Remember these lost a playoff final on penalty kicks only 3 years ago. The trust get wrongfully criticised but we have short memories as Carson and Allen were taking us down to a level that Torquay currently play at.

[Mac's Back]

gordon_brittas, on 13 March 2024 - 08:11 PM, said:

The trust get wrongfully criticised..

I think they've had a very easy ride personally. Do you feel trading unsustainably and accumulating eye-watering debt should be beyond criticism? Take the Kirks out the picture and we'd be well and truly up the creek minus a paddle.

[gordon_brittas]

Mac, on 13 March 2024 - 08:17 PM, said:

I think they've had a very easy ride personally. Do you feel trading unsustainably and accumulating eye-watering debt should be beyond criticism? Take the Kirks out the picture and we'd be well and truly up the creek minus a paddle.

The club would have go under without the trust. Allen was very close to pulling the plug on the club, probably a few months from going the way of Bury and Macclesfield. Yes mistakes have been made but I’m grateful for taking the club on in our hour of need.

[dtp]

Mac, on 13 March 2024 - 08:17 PM, said:

I think they've had a very easy ride personally. Do you feel trading unsustainably and accumulating eye-watering debt should be beyond criticism? Take the Kirks out the picture and we'd be well and truly up the creek minus a paddle.

If the picture includes the Kirks why would you take them out of the picture?

If you took that lady out of the picture in the Mona Lisa then that painting would be worthless.

So, the Trust saved the Club when it needed saving and have attracted the Kirks when they recognised more finance was needed.

A bit like saving a ship when it was sinking, keeping it afloat and sailing, then getting an onboard motor to give it more power.

Before criticising, ask yourself “could you have done it?”

[spireitetoo]

NLS could see 3 recent opponents drop into regional football, Dover, Havant and Waterlooville, and Torquay all looking dodgy...

[Fact Checker]

dtp, on 13 March 2024 - 09:31 PM, said:

If the picture includes the Kirks why would you take them out of the picture?

If you took that lady out of the picture in the Mona Lisa then that painting would be worthless.

So, the Trust saved the Club when it needed saving and have attracted the Kirks when they recognised more finance was needed.

A bit like saving a ship when it was sinking, keeping it afloat and sailing, then getting an onboard motor to give it more power.

Before criticising, ask yourself “could you have done it?”

Now that’s some reply. Well done sir 👏🏻

[Arnold Tabbs]

Aaron Downes is Torquay's current (temporary) manager. Let's wish him all the best and hope he can make the job permanent by helping the Gulls to stay up.

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

dtp, on 13 March 2024 - 09:31 PM, said:

If the picture includes the Kirks why would you take them out of the picture?

If you took that lady out of the picture in the Mona Lisa then that painting would be worthless.

So, the Trust saved the Club when it needed saving and have attracted the Kirks when they recognised more finance was needed.

A bit like saving a ship when it was sinking, keeping it afloat and sailing, then getting an onboard motor to give it more power.

Before criticising, ask yourself “could you have done it?”

Fixed it for you.

'A bit like saving a ship by taking over because the captain can't sail, then realising you can't sail either and asking over the ships tannoy if anyone else fancies a go before the ship hits the rocks'.

It seems like we're in a good place at present, but pretending the trust weren't making a pigs ear of it is disingenuous at best. When it comes to our success of late they come behind our supporters, Paul Cook and the Kirks in terms of honours.

[metallilad]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 14 March 2024 - 06:48 PM, said:

Fixed it for you.

'A bit like saving a ship by taking over because the captain can't sail, then realising you can't sail either and asking over the ships tannoy if anyone else fancies a go before the ship hits the rocks'.

It seems like we're in a good place at present, but pretending the trust weren't making a pigs ear of it is disingenuous at best. When it comes to our success of late they come behind our supporters, Paul Cook and the Kirks in terms of honours.

Nobody is pretending that the Trust didn't make mistakes. But why are you pretending that the Trust didn't save the club?
They stepped up. They kept it going through the toughest era of modern day history and then sought help from businessmen who are now taking it on.
To me, it's a successful transitional period because when all is said and done we have a club still to cheer on. If all you think is that they deserve criticism for it then you must be the type of individual who would sue a fireman for flooding a house when putting out a fire.

This post has been edited by metallilad: 14 March 2024 - 07:51 PM

[JonB]

Listen to the link on the radio Sheffield interviews from last night….mike goodwin said we were days away from liquidation with no other buyers lined up if they’d not taken over.

[HaslandBlue58]

metallilad, on 14 March 2024 - 07:50 PM, said:

Nobody is pretending that the Trust didn't make mistakes. But why are you pretending that the Trust didn't save the club?
They stepped up. They kept it going through the toughest era of modern day history and then sought help from businessmen who are now taking it on.
To me, it's a successful transitional period because when all is said and done we have a club still to cheer on. If all you think is that they deserve criticism for it then you must be the type of individual who would sue a fireman for flooding a house when putting out a fire.

Well said, total common sense,as opposed to the **** you were replying to.In what should be a season of a lifetime we still have the usual handful of d*** heads trying to undermine any genuine attempts to improve the lot of the club.Making mistakes and then trying to avoid making them again whilst also improving is a massive departure from the class act known as Carson.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

JonB, on 14 March 2024 - 08:05 PM, said:

Listen to the link on the radio Sheffield interviews from last night….mike goodwin said we were days away from liquidation with no other buyers lined up if they’d not taken over.

Didn't catch that bit, so to save relistening to the whole lot did MG mean days from liquidation had the Trust not taken over or days from liquidation had the Kirks not?

[JonB]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 14 March 2024 - 09:14 PM, said:

Didn't catch that bit, so to save relistening to the whole lot did MG mean days from liquidation had the Trust not taken over or days from liquidation had the Kirks not?

On the below link there are a 5 or 6 mins at the end after the Kirk’s where Mike Goodwin is interviewed. He mentions that it was days from liquidation had the trust not taken over from DA.

https://www.bbc.co.u...s/play/p0hjlmy1

[60s 70s Spireite]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 14 March 2024 - 09:14 PM, said:

Didn't catch that bit, so to save relistening to the whole lot did MG mean days from liquidation had the Trust not taken over or days from liquidation had the Kirks not?

The Trust. It was goodbye Vienna if the Trust didn’t sign

[Mr Mercury]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 14 March 2024 - 09:14 PM, said:

Didn't catch that bit, so to save relistening to the whole lot did MG mean days from liquidation had the Trust not taken over or days from liquidation had the Kirks not?

If the trust hadn’t taken over because DA had made it quite clear that was that, no more funding the club.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Okay, thanks all.

Way I see it the Trust did pretty much what the CFSS did twenty years before - behave like a St Johns ambulance crew called to a critically injured casualty.

Well meaning amateurs doing their best under emergency circumstances.

Yes they ballsed up. Badly on occasion. And there were one or two far too close to the previous regime to remain around.

But without them we'd probably be a Bury, Darlington or Chester...

[HaslandBlue58]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 14 March 2024 - 09:32 PM, said:

Okay, thanks all.

Way I see it the Trust did pretty much what the CFSS did twenty years before - behave like a St Johns ambulance crew called to a critically injured casualty.

Well meaning amateurs doing their best under emergency circumstances.




Yes they ballsed up. Badly on occasion. And there were one or two far too close to the previous regime to remain around.

But without them we'd probably be a Bury, Darlington or Chester...

Which is the reason for my curt response to the usual suspects throwing abuse at the Trust,I assume at the time as fans, they were more concerned with saving the club than worrying if their business accumen was enough.Yes there are areas/personnel/actions that in hindsight were not going to please everyone or even succeed,but thanks to them we still have a club which in my eyes is still the only overriding issue.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Kinda puts Carson's 'judge us in twelve months' taunts into even sharper focus, dun't it.

I couldn't understand characters who defended the previous regime at the time. Especially the one or two - okay, perhaps make that 'one' - who'd rather sneer at whistle blowing fans instead. But surely this is final confirmation that whatever Allen achieved in his early years, any faith in those he appointed to run CFC was entirely misplaced...

[s42blue]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 14 March 2024 - 10:41 PM, said:

Kinda puts Carson's 'judge us in twelve months' taunts into even sharper focus, dun't it.

I couldn't understand characters who defended the previous regime at the time. Especially the one or two - okay, perhaps make that 'one' - who'd rather sneer at whistle blowing fans instead. But surely this is final confirmation that whatever Allen achieved in his early years, any faith in those he appointed to run CFC was entirely misplaced...

Carson is deplorable. Pitiful, pathetic excuse for a businessman. Cannot stand the man.