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Funding Distribution Debate ......in todays "Times" nespaper

#81 User is offline   Westbars Spireite 

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Posted 19 January 2021 - 09:35 PM

One thing you can be sure about, like last season the bookies will keep all season bet monies.
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Posted 19 January 2021 - 09:46 PM

View PostWestbars Spireite, on 19 January 2021 - 09:35 PM, said:

One thing you can be sure about, like last season the bookies will keep all season bet monies.


Cash out on mine (double the stake given the significant fall in the odds) was available before tonight's games, I was tempted but am hanging on in the hope common sense will prevail over the funding.
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Posted 19 January 2021 - 09:51 PM

View PostWestbars Spireite, on 19 January 2021 - 09:35 PM, said:

One thing you can be sure about, like last season the bookies will keep all season bet monies.


Was that because last season was concluded after a fashion.

Surely if this season is null and void, it would be a different matter
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Posted 19 January 2021 - 09:54 PM

View Postazul, on 19 January 2021 - 09:51 PM, said:

Was that because last season was concluded after a fashion.

Surely if this season is null and void, it would be a different matter


You might be right. If it's binned off now I'd expect no promotion or relegation.
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Posted 19 January 2021 - 10:01 PM

If the governments offer of grants stands, i can see the national leagues scrapped. Why would clubs carry on playing but put themselves thousands of pounds in debt?
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Posted 19 January 2021 - 10:03 PM

View Postmoondog, on 19 January 2021 - 09:46 PM, said:

Cash out on mine (double the stake given the significant fall in the odds) was available before tonight's games, I was tempted but am hanging on in the hope common sense will prevail over the funding.

I cashed out

This post has been edited by Nitrous Oxide: 19 January 2021 - 10:04 PM

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Posted 19 January 2021 - 10:27 PM

Dagenham are on the ball


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Posted 19 January 2021 - 10:36 PM

Strange that the Bernstein enquiry into the distribution of funding should suggest how the next round should be distributed in a fairer manner - it appears their understanding was that it was to be a grant and not a loan. Powerful evidence that the Government has backtracked or am I wrong ?
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Posted 19 January 2021 - 10:44 PM

View Postboot, on 19 January 2021 - 10:36 PM, said:

Strange that the Bernstein enquiry into the distribution of funding should suggest how the next round should be distributed in a fairer manner - it appears their understanding was that it was to be a grant and not a loan. Powerful evidence that the Government has backtracked or am I wrong ?


I think you're right, now it appears it's up to individual clubs to make an application to be a special case which of course ignores they play in a league. It's also hardly a vote of confidence by the Government in the league.
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Posted 19 January 2021 - 10:57 PM

View Postmoondog, on 19 January 2021 - 10:44 PM, said:

I think you're right, now it appears it's up to individual clubs to make an application to be a special case which of course ignores they play in a league. It's also hardly a vote of confidence by the Government in the league.


Whereas the report I read said it was clearly a loan from day 1 so no special case.

There are a million clubs who need funding, why should the national league get special treatment over rugby, athletics, hockey, etc..?
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Posted 19 January 2021 - 10:57 PM

View Postmoondog, on 19 January 2021 - 10:44 PM, said:

I think you're right, now it appears it's up to individual clubs to make an application to be a special case which of course ignores they play in a league. It's also hardly a vote of confidence by the Government in the league.


Any chance that this is why it has been done ? For example, Boreham Wood shouldn't get another penny - they have zero chance of pleading a special case already having had several multiples of what they were entitled to had the initial grant been distributed fairly.
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Posted 19 January 2021 - 11:00 PM

View Postisleaiw1, on 19 January 2021 - 10:57 PM, said:

Whereas the report I read said it was clearly a loan from day 1 so no special case.

There are a million clubs who need funding, why should the national league get special treatment over rugby, athletics, hockey, etc..?


Which report is that?
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Posted 19 January 2021 - 11:13 PM

View PostWestbars Spireite, on 19 January 2021 - 11:00 PM, said:

Which report is that?


Yes, which report is that ? Further reading of what I can find makes no clear statement of whether it was to be a grant or a loan. In which case to just assume that it would be a grant may not have been the smartest thing to do.
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Posted 19 January 2021 - 11:31 PM

View Postboot, on 19 January 2021 - 11:13 PM, said:

Yes, which report is that ? Further reading of what I can find makes no clear statement of whether it was to be a grant or a loan. In which case to just assume that it would be a grant may not have been the smartest thing to do.

Thats how I see it. The league management committee have a duty of care to their membership and therefore should have advised clubs at the outset of this possibility assuming they were professional enough to study the deal. If there was the slightest doubt, clarification should have been sort.

However the bloke who would have been held accountable has all ready departed the sinking ship due to the distribution of funds fiasco, well fiasco for some.

A vote of no confidence in the management committee req'd!!!!
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 08:23 AM

View Postisleaiw1, on 19 January 2021 - 10:57 PM, said:

Whereas the report I read said it was clearly a loan from day 1 so no special case.

There are a million clubs who need funding, why should the national league get special treatment over rugby, athletics, hockey, etc..?




I doubt there is such a report which would contradict government noises at the time which answers your question (see post #80 on this thread)
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 08:52 AM

View Postmoondog, on 20 January 2021 - 08:23 AM, said:

I doubt there is such a report which would contradict government noises at the time which answers your question (see post #80 on this thread)

This seems to be the original government announcement at the time. https://www.gov.uk/g...orts-in-england

It does refer to loans. The funding, which will be largely composed of loans, is the most generous of any Government for its domestic sport sector in the world, and will focus on sports severely impacted over the winter.

Have too many people in key roles merely scan read the announcement rather than look at the detail?
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 09:07 AM

View Post60s 70s Spireite, on 20 January 2021 - 08:52 AM, said:

This seems to be the original government announcement at the time. https://www.gov.uk/g...orts-in-england

It does refer to loans. The funding, which will be largely composed of loans, is the most generous of any Government for its domestic sport sector in the world, and will focus on sports severely impacted over the winter.

Have too many people in key roles merely scan read the announcement rather than look at the detail?



This the 19th November announcement though which is not day 1
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 09:11 AM

View Postmoondog, on 20 January 2021 - 09:07 AM, said:

This the 19th November announcement though which is not day 1

Yes, agreed. But why weren’t folk ringing alarm bells and challenging the announcement back in November, rather than this week?
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 09:20 AM

View Post60s 70s Spireite, on 20 January 2021 - 09:11 AM, said:

Yes, agreed. But why weren't folk ringing alarm bells and challenging the announcement back in November, rather than this week?



I suppose because it said "largely of loans" they assumed this was referring to the other sports within the announcement
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 09:38 AM

The National League board have really embarrassed themselves here. What a bunch of amateurs.
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