Dave Allen - I Do Not Accept Any Criticism At All - Bob's Board - Chesterfield FC

(8 Pages)
« First
←
4
5
6
7
8
→

You cannot start a new topic
You cannot reply to this topic

Dave Allen - I Do Not Accept Any Criticism At All Peak FM interview

#101 Doughnut

First Team Player

Group: Members
Posts: 4,494
Joined: 24-March 07
Gender:Male
Location:Buckinghamshire

Posted 28 December 2018 - 10:14 AM

SALTERGATE, on 27 December 2018 - 04:46 PM, said:

Dave Allen.....any chance of an update on your latest managerial failure.....on par with your best failure.....Dean Saunders

I have to be honest in that I thought MA would be just what we needed. He has the pedigree, the track record and the experience. I also believe that he was financially backed by DA, certainly enough for us not to be in the relegation zone.

I suspect many on this forum thought the same thing at the time of MA's appointment.

I know many will claim MA's failure is DA's fault because he appointed him. Fine, but in my opinion DA appointed (on paper) the right man and gave him the financial backing to do a job here... MA messed it up, so I blame MA in this case.

#102 moondog

Legend

Group: Moderators
Posts: 26,814
Joined: 09-June 05
Gender:Male
Location:Chesterfield

Posted 28 December 2018 - 10:51 AM

Doughnut, on 28 December 2018 - 10:14 AM, said:

Agreed, just taking this season in isolation in terms of appointing and backing the manager DA did little wrong

#103 Brookie

Reserve Team Player

Group: Members
Posts: 1,060
Joined: 14-February 13
Gender:Male
Interests:My Dad took me to my first game at Saltergate age 5, he never did say what I'd done wrong, been hooked ever since

Posted 28 December 2018 - 11:13 AM

A decent manager with that level of support should have been challenging at the top end of the table

#104 frearsghost

First Team Player

Group: Members
Posts: 4,741
Joined: 28-June 05
Gender:Male

Posted 28 December 2018 - 11:26 AM

Dan Clark, on 28 December 2018 - 09:12 AM, said:

Martin Allen “He’ll be B****Y successful, I can tell you that” how’d that work out Dave????

Lets get grounded here. You might as well ask the same question to the vast majority of Town fans who also believed Martin Allen was just what we needed, including myself, him being experienced at this level, knowing the league and the players to get us up first time. The fact is, Dave Allen is as just as much in the dark as the rest of us when it comes to choosing successful managers. Martin Allen failed because he signed some awful players. He talked the talk about how good and exciting it was going to be and it wasn't.

Thinking back to that sweltering day at Ebbsfleet with 500+ Town fans, the prospect of a great season lay ahead of us with great away trips and large followings. We won the game but the more perceptive Town fans would have looked at the last fifteen minutes when Ebbsfleet opened up our defense four times and had clear scoring opportunities and you knew that something wasn't quite right. It didn't get any better.

#105 Westbars Spireite

Legend

Group: Members
Posts: 63,410
Joined: 18-September 06
Gender:Male
Location:Chesterfield, Derbyshire
Interests:Chesterfield FC, cricket, beer

Posted 28 December 2018 - 11:35 AM

moondog, on 28 December 2018 - 10:51 AM, said:

Agreed, just taking this season in isolation in terms of appointing and backing the manager DA did little wrong

You can’t really argue with that. He has every reason to feel completely let down by MA and his coaching staff.

Although as fans we’ll probably get some blame for it if we ever hear from him again.

#106 moondog

Legend

Group: Moderators
Posts: 26,814
Joined: 09-June 05
Gender:Male
Location:Chesterfield

Posted 28 December 2018 - 11:49 AM

Hopefully the Martin Allen experience should have brought DA down to earth and made him realise he hasn't got the midas touch when it comes to choosing managers.

However what he should have done and I believe didn't, because of the above, which is a repeated mistake this club has made time over, is build in a minimum performance clause into the managers contract so he could be released if it wasn't met e.g. top half of table at the half way point of the season. This of course would need to be balanced so a manager significantly over achieving the minimum target gets rewarded which should be self financing.

If a manager taking on a job and agreeing a playing budget can't agree to this then he hasn't passed the interview in my book.

I put this point to Graham Bean last week asking if we did need to change managers then I believe this has to be the way forward, he didn't disagree.

#107 Blue5

First Team Player

Group: Members
Posts: 3,129
Joined: 11-April 08
Gender:Male

Posted 28 December 2018 - 12:23 PM

moondog, on 28 December 2018 - 11:49 AM, said:

Hopefully the Martin Allen experience should have brought DA down to earth and made him realise he hasn't got the midas touch when it comes choosing managers.

However what he should have done and I believe didn't, because of the above, which is a repeated mistake this club has made time over, is build in a minimum performance clause into the managers contract so he could be released if it wasn't met e.g. top half of table at the half way point of the season. This of course would need to be balanced so a manager significantly over achieving the minimum target gets rewarded which should be self financing.

If a manager taking on a job and agreeing a playing budget can't agree to this then he hasn't passed the interview in my book.

I put this point to Graham Bean last week asking if we did need to change managers then I believe this has to be the way forward, he didn't disagree.

I believe the club is rotten and it will be difficult for any individual or group of individuals to change that without a change in ownership. However, without any doubt, Martin Allen's downfall was his diabolical recruitment of players.

#108 plannerj

First Team Player

Group: Members
Posts: 3,496
Joined: 05-July 10
Gender:Male
Location:Bakewell
Interests:CFC and many other things!

Posted 28 December 2018 - 12:39 PM

Westbars Spireite, on 28 December 2018 - 11:35 AM, said:

It might help DA (and the rest of us) next time if he spends rather longer with the candidate assessing his football skills and less time extolling the virtues of pigeon keeping.

#109 60s 70s Spireite

Legend

Group: Members
Posts: 13,502
Joined: 03-November 09

Posted 28 December 2018 - 12:42 PM

Blue5, on 28 December 2018 - 12:23 PM, said:

And his preferred style of play. When the managers of much smaller clubs bewailied our ‘hoofball tactcs’, it confirmed some our initial concerns of what would be presented to us.
What on earth was our club doing recruiting a 38 year old centre half from a fellow relegated and now non League club (as an example)?
As you and I have said before, why on earth doesn’t the club lay down it’s footballing vision and philosophy and recruit a manager who has the same vision.
Hopefully it would involve players who take care of the ball, players on the up, not down, apart from two or three fit, experienced and proven old heads. Players who want to play football on the floor.
Probably all too late now.

#110 Waller is my hero

Key Player

Group: Members
Posts: 7,594
Joined: 20-March 11

Posted 28 December 2018 - 01:14 PM

I genuinely think we were all convinced that this league required footballers with an ability to just battle, be big & brutal & a footballing ability comes next.

Look at the teams at the top, all good footballing teams - SALFORD chose correct with GA as their choice....MA is that kind of manager that forgives footballing principles for results....all backfired.

So maybe, just maybe...a manager with a good proven footballing principle.

I remember when Cookie arrived, he promised we would be entertained even in defeat...& he delivered just that (remember Doncaster away) entertainment brings in the fans & in turn brings the enthusiasm that can motivate players to win.SIMPLE EH? 🤔👏
..

#111 DIFH

Legend

Group: Members
Posts: 38,467
Joined: 26-October 08
Gender:Male
Location:Can be found mainly in Sheffield these days lol

Posted 28 December 2018 - 02:00 PM

moondog, on 28 December 2018 - 10:51 AM, said:

Agreed, just taking this season in isolation in terms of appointing and backing the manager DA did little wrong

A fair minded bloke would mention B****Y injuries as well.

plannerj, on 28 December 2018 - 12:39 PM, said:

It might help DA (and the rest of us) next time if he spends rather longer with the candidate assessing his football skills and less time extolling the virtues of pigeon keeping.

He ain't too clever at that apparently even with his money

God I hate this league.

#112 Westbars Spireite

Legend

Group: Members
Posts: 63,410
Joined: 18-September 06
Gender:Male
Location:Chesterfield, Derbyshire
Interests:Chesterfield FC, cricket, beer

Posted 28 December 2018 - 02:13 PM

plannerj, on 28 December 2018 - 12:39 PM, said:

It might help DA (and the rest of us) next time if he spends rather longer with the candidate assessing his football skills and less time extolling the virtues of pigeon keeping.

He doesn't know much about football so doubt it would help.

#113 erniemossity

Reserve Team Player

Group: Members
Posts: 908
Joined: 09-February 07
Gender:Male
Location:Woodthorpe
Interests:Beer, town, decent boozers

Posted 28 December 2018 - 04:33 PM

60s 70s Spireite, on 28 December 2018 - 12:42 PM, said:

Unfortunately the club can’t “lay down its footballing vision “ because the people running the club know eff all about football. Fact. Proven.
We are not ever gonna get close to appointing the right manager until these clowns have nothing to do with it. And I include Warner and Croot.
The root of all our troubles both on and off the pitch is clear and obvious. The FA should be able to perform the “fit and proper” test retrospectively because these @rses should not be let within a million miles of a football club.

#114 DIFH

Legend

Group: Members
Posts: 38,467
Joined: 26-October 08
Gender:Male
Location:Can be found mainly in Sheffield these days lol

Posted 28 December 2018 - 04:57 PM

moondog, on 28 December 2018 - 11:49 AM, said:

Difficult to get a manager/agent to agree to that.

God I hate this league.

#115 starsky72

First Team Player

Group: Members
Posts: 2,241
Joined: 30-April 11

Posted 28 December 2018 - 05:00 PM

It may well be difficult... but, its a ridiculous situation where you cant hold a manager to account for his failures without paying him huge sums of money....

#116 moondog

Legend

Group: Moderators
Posts: 26,814
Joined: 09-June 05
Gender:Male
Location:Chesterfield

Posted 28 December 2018 - 05:07 PM

DIFH, on 28 December 2018 - 04:57 PM, said:

Difficult to get a manager/agent to agree to that.

I don't think so, if they've got confidence in their own abilities, talk is cheap, make them walk the talk, sort the wheat from the chaff

#117 Blue5

First Team Player

Group: Members
Posts: 3,129
Joined: 11-April 08
Gender:Male

Posted 28 December 2018 - 05:23 PM

erniemossity, on 28 December 2018 - 04:33 PM, said:

Hear hear.

#118 60s 70s Spireite

Legend

Group: Members
Posts: 13,502
Joined: 03-November 09

Posted 28 December 2018 - 05:29 PM

moondog, on 28 December 2018 - 05:07 PM, said:

I don't think so, if they've got confidence in their own abilities, talk is cheap, make them walk the talk, sort the wheat from the chaff

Looking back to the time of Martin Allen’s appointment, there was a lot of questions as to, and concern expressed over, the length of his contract and that of his backroom team; especially in view of the ongoing costs of other former managers, and MA’s previous average length of tenure.

Seemingly not in the boardroom though.

#119 Bobby Darling

First Team Player

Group: Members
Posts: 2,150
Joined: 07-July 09

Posted 28 December 2018 - 05:38 PM

Waller is my hero, on 28 December 2018 - 01:14 PM, said:

Salford are ok but still mix the long ball stuff. How long do you think Alexander will survive if Salford don’t get promoted in May?

#120 moondog

Legend

Group: Moderators
Posts: 26,814
Joined: 09-June 05
Gender:Male
Location:Chesterfield

Posted 28 December 2018 - 05:55 PM

60s 70s Spireite, on 28 December 2018 - 05:29 PM, said:

Yes if in fact MA himself was cagey about it, suggesting at first he'd got a one year rolling year with his assistants two years, more recently I recall him saying he had a 3 year deal, I still don't know what the truth is.