Bob's Board - Chesterfield FC: Wendies Player Quits To Focus On Religion - Bob's Board - Chesterfield FC

ash_cfc, on 20 September 2016 - 11:24 AM, said:

I imagine every CFC board meeting being like a haribo advert

https://youtu.be/vNfKnbNscdE

This post has been edited by SALTERGATE: 20 September 2016 - 03:28 PM

Goku, on 19 September 2016 - 07:57 PM, said:

I'm afraid that's a complete misunderstanding of how nature works Goku. Any particular species can have a negative impact on the environment & there are countless examples. There is no perfect balance in any ecosystem, instead there is a merciless & relentless drive for survival. Sometimes this results in species working in symbiosis but far more often it is a B****Y battle that takes no account of the impact on the environment or other species or indeed, very often, on members of the same species.
There are good arguments for veganism but that isn't one of them.

As for the Wednesday player. Its sad that his delusion has taken over to such an extent but as with any religious person you have to be a little understanding as there is an entire world wide industry dedicated to convincing people of the validity of various brands of nonsense so many will sadly fall victim.

This post has been edited by Toddhopper.: 20 September 2016 - 04:29 PM

Nobody can prove there is a god same as nobody can prove there isn't. And that's the whole point in faith, you don't have to have proof that a god exists because you have faith in him/her/it and as I've said elsewhere if you have faith in a god then you believe they created everything, which includes science which supposedly gives us the strongest 'evidence' that God doesn't and never did exist. The argument being that science is the ultimate test of your faith.

Not for me, but I don't see the point in spouting off at people who choose to believe as long as they don't try to sell it to me

Toddhopper., on 20 September 2016 - 04:27 PM, said:

I disagree, animals killing other animals does so much less harm than we do via animal agriculture. I'm talking carbon emissions etc. not the taking of a life in this instance.

But well said in the second paragraph.

mr. smith, on 20 September 2016 - 12:27 PM, said:

brilliant song, i'd forgotten that, thanks youth.

Somerset Spireite, on 20 September 2016 - 01:05 PM, said:

wow. we could put a squad together at this rate.

Spire-Power, on 19 September 2016 - 07:46 PM, said:

wtf is that supposed to mean?

firedodger, on 20 September 2016 - 05:03 PM, said:

True, but surely the default position is that something doesn't exist until it's proved it does....otherwise we'd have people believing that dragons are/were real for example? Then again, perhaps some people do believe that!
For me, believing things that are written in the bible is akin to someone in a few thousand years setting up a religion based on Harry Potter. Pure fantasy!
Religion is purely a tool for controlling the masses ("if you're not good, you won't go to heaven") and explaining phenomena that at the time couldn't be explained any other way, end of.

ralspireite1866, on 21 September 2016 - 05:42 PM, said:

Yep. It's that simple. It's fascinating that some people can't see it for what it is.

Social conditioning

Gods and religion give some people hope that death is not the end. Without it our short lifespans can seem meaningless. There are a number of gods available to choose to follow, each invented by a particular culture, and none more real than any other. If there is anything after death it can only be through the human spirit imo not via a supreme being of choice. So sad when people take religion to such extremes they are prepared to kill themselves and others. Religion can be very dangerous in the weak minds of those who blindly follow and never question what they are taught.

I always wonder why the bible never mentioned Dinosaurs?

Saunders wasn't around then

I bet he could convince our board he was

Yes he could talk the hind leg off a stegosaurus

ralspireite1866, on 21 September 2016 - 05:42 PM, said:

But like I said mate that's the whole point for religious believers, they don't need proof because they have faith that their God and all the stories / myths / legends about them are true. Personally I really don't care, if it gets them through the day and they don't come selling it to me I'm fine in my own world thanks very much.
What I really don't understand is people who don't believe, don't have faith, yet feel the need to go round shouting 'science' as proof that God doesn't exist, if you don't believe I don't see how you will ever get into the mindset of somebody who has that all encompassing faith and for most of them the inner peace that it gives them.
I don't believe, and at this stage of my life that's based on my life experiences, I've seen many instances of children or good people in pain or lose their lives and nobody can explain to me how an all loving entity could let this happen, people with faith are good with it because they believe something better is waiting for them, their choice their beliefs, I've discussed it with religious folk and I don't get their dedication, but I would never be arrogant enough to tell them they are wrong because I disagree.
To be honest their faith fascinates me and part of me wishes I could have that faith, but based on what I've seen and done, no it's not for me.

Of course, the true arrogance comes from the theists who are arrogant enough to disregard hundreds of years of critical thinking to get us to where we currently are (Science) despite their best efforts to quieten it, the belief that non-believers will go to hell for having the gall to not believe in an oppressive dictatorial regime and often their disgusting prehistoric beliefs (homophobia is obviously very prevalent in the religious community as we all know, for example).

Morality is doing right, no matter what you are told.
Religion is doing what you're told, no matter what is right.

Goku, on 21 September 2016 - 08:03 PM, said:

https://www.youtube....h?v=s4PbPbPKJIQ
An example of Goku's point re: science (assuming that the translation is correct, of course)

Cannot remember who the comedian was but it went along the lines of ,if god and the devil hate each other and you cheat lie steal and go to hell the devil is not going to torture you he is going to embrace you, your one of his boys , the coke and hookers will be in hell.

Bonnyman, on 22 September 2016 - 06:25 AM, said:

Sounds like Dave Allen.

Westbars Spireite, on 22 September 2016 - 06:44 AM, said:

Comedian or football chairman?

Somerset Spireite, on 22 September 2016 - 05:33 AM, said:

The Renaissance passed these people by. Most of the Muslim world has only it's religion as a point of reference for explaining the world. They are an isolated and introverted people and there are billions of them sustained by oil and religion. They can't understand how the west can be so prosperous yet so 'ungodly' while they experience poverty and their anger is real.

Yet at one time, Muslim culture led the world. They were an open, outlooking people who thrived on Greek commerce, culture and philosophy. Something went wrong. I think they have mustered two Nobel prize winners in over one hundred years and, as this video, shows, the results are breathtakingly sad.

Tolerate we do in the name of social harmony - and votes. The idea that we should 'respect' such ignorance demeans us.

This post has been edited by frearsghost: 22 September 2016 - 09:46 AM