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Posted 25 November 2015 - 04:57 PM
Just for the record, the answer to my 'more or less profit in the C&B?' question was it's less.
Much less.
£250K last year was down from nearly £500K the previous.
Much less.
£250K last year was down from nearly £500K the previous.
Spanish proverb: 'Pessimists are just well informed optimists'
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 06:26 PM
MDCCCLXVI, on 25 November 2015 - 04:57 PM, said:
Just for the record, the answer to my 'more or less profit in the C&B?' question was it's less.
Much less.
£250K last year was down from nearly £500K the previous.
Much less.
£250K last year was down from nearly £500K the previous.
DA was bullishly upbeat about Conference and Banqueting. There must have been a lot of money invested on reorg/refurbishment.
Get it on, bang the gong , get it on
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 07:01 PM
dim view, on 25 November 2015 - 06:26 PM, said:
DA was bullishly upbeat about Conference and Banqueting. There must have been a lot of money invested on reorg/refurbishment.
Allen's up-beat attitude is probably most worrying of all.
The fans aren't daft and there're experienced, well qualified folk on here expressing some very serious concerns. Yet the Chairman's saying how lucky we are to have Saunders? Happy about C&B profits falling by fifty percent? Overseeing a business in such a financial mess it's subject to HMRC investigations and having to pay twenty five grand to auditors and accountants to sort it out?
I know AGM's tend to be like party political broadcasts and he has no choice but to peddle a positive spin. I can only hope he's far more in touch with reality in private.
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 07:11 PM
MDCCCLXVI, on 25 November 2015 - 07:01 PM, said:
Allen's up-beat attitude is probably most worrying of all.
The fans aren't daft and there're experienced, well qualified folk on here expressing some very serious concerns. Yet the Chairman's saying how lucky we are to have Saunders? Happy about C&B profits falling by fifty percent? Overseeing a business in such a financial mess it's subject to HMRC investigations and having to pay twenty five grand to auditors and accountants to sort it out?
I know AGM's tend to be like party political broadcasts and he has no choice but to peddle a positive spin. I can only hope he's far more in touch with reality in private.
The fans aren't daft and there're experienced, well qualified folk on here expressing some very serious concerns. Yet the Chairman's saying how lucky we are to have Saunders? Happy about C&B profits falling by fifty percent? Overseeing a business in such a financial mess it's subject to HMRC investigations and having to pay twenty five grand to auditors and accountants to sort it out?
I know AGM's tend to be like party political broadcasts and he has no choice but to peddle a positive spin. I can only hope he's far more in touch with reality in private.
Under Allen we’ve had our best ever period of sustained success, great entertaining football and a ground to be proud of. We’ve also seen debt double, record losses and an appointment of a dull manager whose record is littered with failure.
What a rollercoaster!!
If only....
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 07:53 PM
MDCCCLXVI, on 25 November 2015 - 04:57 PM, said:
Just for the record, the answer to my 'more or less profit in the C&B?' question was it's less.
Much less.
£250K last year was down from nearly £500K the previous.
Much less.
£250K last year was down from nearly £500K the previous.
The numbers are all over the place and on the subject of C&B, the club are quite cute with the info.
Take away everything that's football related and then ask, how much does it generate through conferences, weddings, meetings, etc!
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 08:42 PM
dim view, on 25 November 2015 - 06:26 PM, said:
DA was bullishly upbeat about Conference and Banqueting. There must have been a lot of money invested on reorg/refurbishment.
Can you remember what the Auditor stated as being charged to the P&L for hotels & accommodation, was the figure approaching £150K?
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 09:00 PM
freelander2, on 25 November 2015 - 08:42 PM, said:
Can you remember what the Auditor stated as being charged to the P&L for hotels & accommodation, was the figure approaching £150K?
I know the club were putting up loan players in hotels
Heard that one player even demonstrated that it would be cheaper for the club to get him a decent flat whilst on loan rather than remain in a hotel (Margrettier)
Cheaper to buy some property and rent it to loan players!
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 09:03 PM
Cartman, on 25 November 2015 - 09:00 PM, said:
I know the club were putting up loan players in hotels
Heard that one player even demonstrated that it would be cheaper for the club to get him a decent flat whilst on loan rather than remain in a hotel (Margrettier)
Cheaper to buy some property and rent it to loan players!
Heard that one player even demonstrated that it would be cheaper for the club to get him a decent flat whilst on loan rather than remain in a hotel (Margrettier)
Cheaper to buy some property and rent it to loan players!
Apparently Saunders was staying at the CASA when he first arrived.
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 09:08 PM
freelander2, on 25 November 2015 - 08:42 PM, said:
Can you remember what the Auditor stated as being charged to the P&L for hotels & accommodation, was the figure approaching £150K?
I've kept up with thread most of the time, but could you answer me this. Most estimates, at least the gloomier ones, seem to think we're about 2 million down on where we should be over the last couple of years. All I can see that's 'crept out of the woodwork' is a bill for 147K from HMRC, in addition to some loss of expected revenue from the Trust, but both together only amount to peanuts in the scale of the 'losses'.
Are these figures anywhere near correct, and if so where did the rest go? And if I advanced the theory that DA has learned to live with the outstanding debt and is so relaxed about it that he puts a bit more (300K) in when necessary, but bares his fangs now and again to stop people thinking he's a soft touch - how would you react to that?
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 09:16 PM
MDCCCLXVI, on 25 November 2015 - 09:03 PM, said:
Apparently Saunders was staying at the CASA when he first arrived.
nice work isn't it, if you accept a job and need to move, surely it's up to you to pay for your digs
Can't see why the club should ever be footing the bill to put up very well paid people
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 09:21 PM
Cartman, on 25 November 2015 - 09:16 PM, said:
nice work isn't it, if you accept a job and need to move, surely it's up to you to pay for your digs
Can't see why the club should ever be footing the bill to put up very well paid people
Can't see why the club should ever be footing the bill to put up very well paid people
Saunders is loaded. He doesn't need to work but for some reasons likes to get clubs relegated and be ridiculed for it.
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 09:24 PM
Westbars Spireite, on 25 November 2015 - 09:21 PM, said:
Saunders is loaded. He doesn't need to work but for some reasons likes to get clubs relegated and be ridiculed for it.
attention seeker
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 09:26 PM
Cartman, on 25 November 2015 - 09:24 PM, said:
attention seeker
Who?
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 09:41 PM
Cartman, on 25 November 2015 - 09:35 PM, said:
Saunders
He loves it. He must do to do all the after dinner speaking. I get why skint folk like Ruddock do it, anyone else (like Warnock) simply love the sound of their own voice.
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 09:49 PM
Cartman, on 25 November 2015 - 09:16 PM, said:
nice work isn't it, if you accept a job and need to move, surely it's up to you to pay for your digs
Can't see why the club should ever be footing the bill to put up very well paid people
Can't see why the club should ever be footing the bill to put up very well paid people
I've a mate who works at CASA.
Dunno who footed the bill, though.
And to pluck another idea out of thin air, could 'hotels and accommodation' refer to trips abroad, either for the team or Club representatives?
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 10:01 PM
Westbars Spireite, on 25 November 2015 - 09:21 PM, said:
Saunders is loaded. He doesn't need to work but for some reasons likes to get clubs relegated and be ridiculed for it.
I wonder if it might be a case of clinging onto the day-to-day involvement for as long as possible.
In all seriousness many players suffer real issues when they retire, indeed we're now hearing more and more about the psychological problems surrounding football. Therefore it seems entirely plausible that someone who's enjoyed such a high profile career would want to do everything possible to perpetuate the dressing room/matchday experience, either through management or whatever other role they can secure just to be a part of it.
On a human level I can sympathise - I'd guess money really does mean nothing compared to the 'buzz' of sporting success. However as a supporter I don't want my football club to become just another hard-luck story for a bloke on 'Goals On Sunday' or the after dinner circuit.
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 10:34 PM
MDCCCLXVI, on 25 November 2015 - 10:01 PM, said:
I wonder if it might be a case of clinging onto the day-to-day involvement for as long as possible.
In all seriousness many players suffer real issues when they retire, indeed we're now hearing more and more about the psychological problems surrounding football. Therefore it seems entirely plausible that someone who's enjoyed such a high profile career would want to do everything possible to perpetuate the dressing room/matchday experience, either through management or whatever other role they can secure just to be a part of it.
On a human level I can sympathise - I'd guess money really does mean nothing compared to the 'buzz' of sporting success. However as a supporter I don't want my football club to become just another hard-luck story for a bloke on 'Goals On Sunday' or the after dinner circuit.
In all seriousness many players suffer real issues when they retire, indeed we're now hearing more and more about the psychological problems surrounding football. Therefore it seems entirely plausible that someone who's enjoyed such a high profile career would want to do everything possible to perpetuate the dressing room/matchday experience, either through management or whatever other role they can secure just to be a part of it.
On a human level I can sympathise - I'd guess money really does mean nothing compared to the 'buzz' of sporting success. However as a supporter I don't want my football club to become just another hard-luck story for a bloke on 'Goals On Sunday' or the after dinner circuit.
There's likely to be some truth in that. Otherwise he'd relax in his Cheshire pile and get involved in little more stressful that choosing when to walk his dog.
Perhaps there's something to be said at this level to employ a manager who needs to be successful for the sake of their own finances.
