The Earl of Chesterfield, on 25 May 2024 - 06:28 AM, said:
I posted a link to Reece-Mogg stating Farage should be embraced into the Tory party only last week, Ian.
Then re-visit the coverage of last Autumn's conference.
But anyway this is, what; you're twelfth contribution to this thread? Thirteenth, maybe? Yet other than a sentence or two barely paying lip service to how useless the Tories are, it's been an unrelenting taunt fest at Labour.
Nothing about the Lib' Dem's you've previously endorsed - to the point of repeatedly excusing their jaw dropping hypocrisies which in part brought us to where we are today, nothing about a 'Reform' largely populated by "loons, fruit cakes and closet racists" (though increasing numbers are being 'outed') and nothing about any other outfit either.
Meaning it's little more than a parallel of the 'End of Labour' topic you so enthusiastically began. No doubt struggling to type with fingers so desperately crossed in hope.
You want precise and detailed policy announcements? Well good luck with that. Not gonna happen. From any of 'em. It'll be an endless repetition of key mantras and vague aspirations instead.
My guess? You'll vote Lib'Dem' again. Probably saying it's the best way of ousting the Tory. Before yet another catalogue of ducking and dodging their countless failings. Or questions why you demand much more of Starmer than Davey. And amidst eye rollingly inevitable pension references and yet more anti Labour prejudice, of course.
All that said I really am flattered by the personal mentions peppering your posts. Thanks, mate. In fact I must be second only to Angie Raynor in your utterly unbiased and totally balanced observations...
The Lib Dems arent going to win and nor are Reform so I'm less bothered by their policies and ideas currently, the same can probably be said of the Tories. I am bothered about Labour as they are likely to be the biggest party and so far are saying vote for us for change but everything to do with finances will be the same and stable.... so I'm confused...
No anti Labour prejudice, they are the party I have voted more for in my life than any other. But if they are going to win I want them to be chosen for what they will do not ABC (anyone but conservative, thanks s42!)
so what I want to know is how will they solve the NHS, how will they appoint all these new teachers, where will the wonderful new border force come from that will be so different from the existing one - and how will they pay for it all given the country has the highest tax take ever and we are pretty broke...
And yes pensions are relevant because the govt is paying for them for a select few - and we cant afford it... and yet we are going to appoint loads more people to jobs that get them....but we arent going to bankrupt the country...
Comments on the others? Reform are just bigots, I dont even listen to what Farage says. Have the Lib Dems started campaigning yet, Davey is useless and will never make inroads as he has no personality. I'd rather Daisy Cooper was given the limelight.... As for Reece Mogg, hopefully he loses and then we dont have to hear him slagging off his own because he didnt get his own way.
As for the Tories being in this mess because they got rid of Boris, they are in this mess because they ever appointed him. Lazy, untrustworthy, soundbite leadership with no consideration for the wider impact of what he was doing. Sunak was on a hiding to nothing as Truss showed. It will do them good to watch from the side for a bit whilst they get their principles and ideas back. Labour have had 14 years to do that and yet all I see is "you can trust us, we will do popular things, but we wont be financially irresponsible but we cant tell you where the money will come from. The one number I have heard - from VAT on private schools - is pie in the sky because if the schools pass on the fee increase then there will be a rush to state schools - numbers starting private school already down as a result of the risk. I'd say that will be unlikely to raise any noticeable money... so black hole number 1....
As for my vote, almost certainly tactical. We have a Tory MP who has been in seat for years, a very active Labour candidate (who does a lot of talking to train companies it seems, very important down here), and I havent heard from anyone else yet... so will see what the options are on the day. Its great having freedom of choice, listening to what they say, challenging what they dont.... as someone earlier said, the days of voting for a party because my grandad did are over for most...
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