[Goku]

60s 70s Spireite, on 12 May 2025 - 11:29 AM, said:

Goku, full match replays are available on Spireitestv- including the Accy game. Not had the time or inclination yet to watch the last 15 mins for signs of Boot going down injured or not

Wtf I didn't even know this was a thing how do you access Spireitestv?

(Anyway, If Boot's done it several times this season then fair enough, doesn't change the fact it needs sorting)

[rodney]

Chesterfield247, on 12 May 2025 - 10:57 AM, said:

You are missing something. It's not about the time wasting, it's about giving the bench a chance to get instructions to the team and have a timeout.

You are 100% correct. IMHO it’s simple….. let them go down and add time on. Stop players going to the side of the pitch for the “timeout”.

[Bluekent]

Goku, on 12 May 2025 - 10:18 AM, said:

Not sure of the solution but something must be done, it's farcical. I don't sense any sort of appetite from those in power to address it, though. Is there a way for fans to contact the FA and raise this as an issue? Don't mean to sound all Karen-esque but fuck me it's killing the game.

Boring ain’t it? Honestly one of the most annoying and boring things a team can do. Can’t deal with being under pressure so they opt to go down and ruin a game of football. Just another thing that was added to the frustration of yesterday , I can take losing but I genuinely just want to see a good fair game of football but it’s becoming very difficult when the moment a team starts to build a bit of pressure it’s broken up with boring cheating. How naive are the refs as well? Surely to god they know there’s nothing wrong with the keeper , if they don’t understand why he’s going down then they shouldn’t be reffing a game at this level because they don’t understand the players or the way things work.

[essexspireman]

Bluekent, on 12 May 2025 - 11:55 AM, said:

Boring ain’t it? Honestly one of the most annoying and boring things a team can do. Can’t deal with being under pressure so they opt to go down and ruin a game of football. Just another thing that was added to the frustration of yesterday , I can take losing but I genuinely just want to see a good fair game of football but it’s becoming very difficult when the moment a team starts to build a bit of pressure it’s broken up with boring cheating. How naive are the refs as well? Surely to god they know there’s nothing wrong with the keeper , if they don’t understand why he’s going down then they shouldn’t be reffing a game at this level because they don’t understand the players or the way things work.

The ref yesterday kept turning his back and walking away from everything, probably so he could say “ l didn't see anything”. Poor refereeing

[clarevoyant.]

essexspireman, on 12 May 2025 - 12:01 PM, said:

The ref yesterday kept turning his back and walking away from everything, probably so he could say “ l didn't see anything”. Poor refereeing

We had this chap v Horsham which fell in the period when opponents were allowed to handle the ball in the penalty area at will, Horsham obliging. However from memory (I may be wrong, if anyone can check) I recall in a game when nowt happened he added what seemed to be an excessive amount of time on. Probably enjoying himself compared to yesterday.

[60s 70s Spireite]

Goku, on 12 May 2025 - 11:37 AM, said:

Wtf I didn't even know this was a thing how do you access Spireitestv?

(Anyway, If Boot's done it several times this season then fair enough, doesn't change the fact it needs sorting)

Here you go.
https://spireitestv....field-fc.co.uk/
You have to join, but no fee for full replays.
Must say I can’t recall Boot going down at Accy.

[Goku]

60s 70s Spireite, on 12 May 2025 - 12:33 PM, said:

Here you go.
https://spireitestv....field-fc.co.uk/
You have to join, but no fee for full replays.
Must say I can’t recall Boot going down at Accy.

Oh wow, thanks. Dunno how this has passed me by.

[Oldtimer]

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You are missing something. It's not about the time wasting, it's about giving the bench a chance to get instructions to the team and have a timeout.
[/quote


Yes it wants a crack down. However both teams go over so could argue no advantage is gained by either. I also doubt any instructions are conveyed that couldn’t be while they’re on the pitch or when a substitution is being made. It’s more about disrupting game and wasting time - stay down for 2 minutes and hope only 1 minute added.

[60s 70s Spireite]

Goku, on 12 May 2025 - 12:46 PM, said:

Oh wow, thanks. Dunno how this has passed me by.

You’re probably getting too old to know your way around the web, unlike us younger ones. (Or some of us have too much time on our hands) ☺️
Watched the last 22 minutes of game time v Accy on 2x speed, and no sign of Boot being playing injured, even though he had ample opportunity when he dived for the ball at the feet of an onrushing forward during one attack

[SocraticCFC]

essexspireman, on 12 May 2025 - 12:01 PM, said:

The ref yesterday kept turning his back and walking away from everything, probably so he could say " l didn't see anything". Poor refereeing

There needs to be a mandatory 5 mins for this going down when nobody's near you when winning thing. Yesterdays added time should have been at least 10 mins. Poor value for money.

[Westbars Spireite]

Looker-on, on 12 May 2025 - 10:40 AM, said:

If the keeper goes down, he has to come off and be replaced by an outfield player for ten minutes, while his injury is properly assessed. The team plays with ten men for that time.
If the injury is genuine the sub keeper can always come on straight away, or before the ten minutes has elapsed.

As said elsewhere - no interaction (beyond normal shouted instructions) between players and coaches during this, or during any time that the game is suspended for injury.

Look at the whole issue of repeated drinks breaks. I think there was a home game this season where we had three in the first half hour. Any team that works on fitness and durability has any possible advantage negated by the fact that the opponents can take a slurp every ten minutes, so no drinks breaks for any reason. So a player might get a bit of a dab on? Pace yourselves. We managed to win a World Cup in the summer of 66 without everyone going for a gargle every ten minutes.

Surely by the sub goalkeeper would be sufficient!

[lindave]

I've said for months that blatant time wasting by keepers should mean that his team must stand on the centre circle to stop them approaching their managerial team for tactical instructions.

[Between The Sticks]

Exharboroughspireite, on 12 May 2025 - 10:17 AM, said:

suggested something similar but for longer - 3 minutes for example. also would ban all players from going to the touchline.

Simple solution, if they cross the touch line yellow card them for leaving or returning to the field of play without the referee's permission. The same punishment for subsitutes entering the field of play when celebrating a goal. As for disputing the referee's decisions only allow the captain to approach him/her (as per Rugby) anyone else one warning after that yellow card them.

[60s 70s Spireite]

SocraticCFC, on 12 May 2025 - 01:34 PM, said:

There needs to be a mandatory 5 mins for this going down when nobody's near you when winning thing. Yesterdays added time should have been at least 10 mins. Poor value for money.

If that’s an additional 5 minutes to the time the keeper has stopped the game, agreed. Otherwise the keeper may as well stay down for five

[dtp]

Is faking injury any different to diving?

Both are deliberate acts of deception but only one punishable with a yellow card.

Surely, the 4 officials on duty know the difference between real and fake especially when it is repeated with regularity.

[JonB]

Between The Sticks, on 12 May 2025 - 02:05 PM, said:

Simple solution, if they cross the touch line yellow card them for leaving or returning to the field of play without the referee's permission.

Simple problem with that...they rarely leave the pitch if ever. Its all done by the touchline with the players still on the pitch.

[fishini]

BreadNoButter, on 12 May 2025 - 10:32 AM, said:

What’s the point of this post if every team does it? We do it, Infact I looked this morning when winning by one, how many times boot has gone down in the past, just have a look. Let’s not be hypocrites

Not something I have witnessed. I would say for the tactics of players feining injury we do it far less than any other team.

[Westbars Spireite]

dtp, on 12 May 2025 - 02:28 PM, said:

Is faking injury any different to diving?

Both are deliberate acts of deception but only one punishable with a yellow card.

Surely, the 4 officials on duty know the difference between real and fake especially when it is repeated with regularity.

They aren't medically qualified though and understandably cannot risk being the ref who waves away the medical treatment for a player who then drops down dead (exaggerated of course but could happen).

[h again]

sophocles, on 12 May 2025 - 11:02 AM, said:

To be honest, all this weeping, wailing and moaning about opposition delaying/disrupting tactics really bores me, as does the infantile booing and gesturing towards opposing players. It doesn't need new rules or regulations to stop it, because the simple solution is to score before your opponents, then it simply won't happen. In other words we can stop the shenanigans ourselves by doing what is the whole aim of the enterprise - scoring a goal before the opposition scores. There is no way any rules or regulations are going to stop opposition players from taking their time over throw-ins etc while they're in the lead - we wouldn't rush, and they won't either. I suppose I'll just have to carry on sitting watching some of my fellow Kopites sending their blood pressure into orbit while screaming at the opposition keeper and muttering to those around me 'Why get so worked up, of course they're going to do it, you don't expect them to rush so we've got more time to equalise do you?' In other words, the solution is in our own hands. By the way, another thing I don't understand is some people completely giving up on getting to Wembley. We and Walsall are two well-matched teams with contrasting styles, who both played very well at times. They took their chances and we didn't, largely because their keeper played a blinder. I'm not giving up because we're behind at half-time, and neither will PC.

Oh, come on. Solve the problem by scoring first? - it's as valid as saying we can solve the problem of promotion by winning every game.It's fantasy.
I'm sorry if the subject bores you.Presumably if you order a pint and get a half you nod off from sheer boredom. In fact this is a problem that comes up nearly every week now as under-pressure managers think up new ways to cheat.
It doesn't bore me, it makes me very angry at being taken for mug by people who're supposed to be selling entertainment. The only way to stop them is by a timing system that registers on a clock every time there's a stoppage in play.

[boot]

dim view, on 12 May 2025 - 10:24 AM, said:

What's needed is that the ref's report should include the number of occurrences and then an admin bod or A.I. at the FA can collate them. Then punish on a tot up basis.

In a crucial game at a seasons end that won't work - by the time the totting up kicks in the season would be over. Punishment must take place within the game that the offence occurs - that is the only time it matters.
The fans know it's cheating, the officials know it's cheating ,the FA know it's cheating. Some reasonable ideas on here - petition needed with thousands of supporters signed up to it from every professional club in the land.We even have commentators recognising it for what it is. As soon as a player feigns injury, the game stops, and the magic recovery occurs - did I hear one call it a tactical break ?