[Chesterfield247]

 Oldtimer, on 12 May 2025 - 10:32 AM, said:

I could be missing something, but a simple solution would be to have a 90 minute countdown clock which the referee can stop and start as he sees fit. Players including any feigning injury and supporters would see in real time if clock was stopped or not.

You are missing something. It's not about the time wasting, it's about giving the bench a chance to get instructions to the team and have a timeout.

[Trigger]

 Oldtimer, on 12 May 2025 - 10:32 AM, said:

I could be missing something, but a simple solution would be to have a 90 minute countdown clock which the referee can stop and start as he sees fit. Players including any feigning injury and supporters would see in real time if clock was stopped or not.

That imo is the probably the best way. Doesn't rugby work that way? We'd get way more football. Doesn't the average game only see the ball in play for something like 58 minutes? (Sure I've seen that stat somewhere before).

Doubt the ref could do it though, they have enough on as it is. But a time keeper could stop and start the clock everytime the ball comes back in to play.

Fans would get better value for money at least.

(And make players get in the centre circle when a player is down)

Edit: or bring back 15 mins of injury time - which all of football cried about

This post has been edited by Trigger: 12 May 2025 - 11:02 AM

[sophocles]

To be honest, all this weeping, wailing and moaning about opposition delaying/disrupting tactics really bores me, as does the infantile booing and gesturing towards opposing players. It doesn't need new rules or regulations to stop it, because the simple solution is to score before your opponents, then it simply won't happen. In other words we can stop the shenanigans ourselves by doing what is the whole aim of the enterprise - scoring a goal before the opposition scores. There is no way any rules or regulations are going to stop opposition players from taking their time over throw-ins etc while they're in the lead - we wouldn't rush, and they won't either. I suppose I'll just have to carry on sitting watching some of my fellow Kopites sending their blood pressure into orbit while screaming at the opposition keeper and muttering to those around me 'Why get so worked up, of course they're going to do it, you don't expect them to rush so we've got more time to equalise do you?' In other words, the solution is in our own hands. By the way, another thing I don't understand is some people completely giving up on getting to Wembley. We and Walsall are two well-matched teams with contrasting styles, who both played very well at times. They took their chances and we didn't, largely because their keeper played a blinder. I'm not giving up because we're behind at half-time, and neither will PC.

This post has been edited by sophocles: 12 May 2025 - 11:03 AM

[Phil V 72]

 Trigger, on 12 May 2025 - 10:59 AM, said:

That imo is the probably the best way. Doesn't rugby work that way? We'd get way more football. Doesn't the average game only see the ball in play for something like 58 minutes? (Sure I've seen that stat somewhere before).

Doubt the ref could do it though, they have enough on as it is. But a time keeper could stop and start the clock everytime the ball comes back in to play.

Fans would get better value for money at least.

(And make players get in the centre circle when a player is down)

They did sort of try this in the 2022 World Cup but in the group games you ended up with playing 10/12 minutes extra per half and they seemed to quietly water it down

[clarevoyant.]

The problem is the sh..house coaches taking good money out of the game, a game that is giving them a decent standard of living.

A few seasons ago that t... Garrard (boreham) publicly bragged to the media that he told ashmore to go down (against us) so he could get instructions to his team.

I know of a couple of folk (not me) who wrote to the relevant authorities asking if bragging about cheating in the public domain was acceptable, you've guessed it 'no response'.

[Trigger]

 sophocles, on 12 May 2025 - 11:02 AM, said:

To be honest, all thus weeping, wailing and moaning about opposition delaying/disrupting tactics really bores me, as does the infantile booing and gesturing towards opposing players. It doesn't need new rules or regulations to stop it, because the simple solution is to score before your opponents, then it simply won't happen. In other words we can stop the shenanigans ourselves by doing what the whole aim of the enterprise- scoring a goal before the opposition scores. There is no way any rules or regulations are going to stop opposition players from taking their time over throw-ins etc while they're in the lead - we wouldn't rush, and they won't either. I suppose I'll just have to carry on sitting watching some of my fellow Kopites sending their blood pressure into orbit while screaming at the opposition keeper and muttering to those around me 'Why get so worked up, of course they're going to do it, you don't expect them to rush so we've got more time to equalise do you?' In other words, the solution is in our own hands. By the way, another thing I don't understand is some people completely giving up on getting to Wembley. Us and Walsall are two well-matched teams with contrasting styles, who both played very well at times. They took their chances and we didn't, largely because their keeper played a blinder. I'm not giving up because we're behind at half-time, and neither will PC.

It'll certainly be interesting if we score first. On this occasion though, it's not gonna stop them from time wasting

[dim view]

 sophocles, on 12 May 2025 - 11:02 AM, said:

To be honest, all this weeping, wailing and moaning about opposition delaying/disrupting tactics really bores me, as does the infantile booing and gesturing towards opposing players. It doesn't need new rules or regulations to stop it, because the simple solution is to score before your opponents, then it simply won't happen. In other words we can stop the shenanigans ourselves by doing what is the whole aim of the enterprise - scoring a goal before the opposition scores. There is no way any rules or regulations are going to stop opposition players from taking their time over throw-ins etc while they're in the lead - we wouldn't rush, and they won't either. I suppose I'll just have to carry on sitting watching some of my fellow Kopites sending their blood pressure into orbit while screaming at the opposition keeper and muttering to those around me 'Why get so worked up, of course they're going to do it, you don't expect them to rush so we've got more time to equalise do you?' In other words, the solution is in our own hands. By the way, another thing I don't understand is some people completely giving up on getting to Wembley. We and Walsall are two well-matched teams with contrasting styles, who both played very well at times. They took their chances and we didn't, largely because their keeper played a blinder. I'm not giving up because we're behind at half-time, and neither will PC.

But any team scoring first will do it!!

I think your argument majors on any manager like Cook being such a good sport that he would never contemplate it.
What's needed for starters is proper stats on the problem.

[SpireRam]

 Goku, on 12 May 2025 - 10:34 AM, said:

1. Because even if we do it (I'm not certain that we do, certainly not to the amount we saw yesterday) why would you not want the game to naturally flow more? Do you enjoy the breaks in play or something? What a weird thing to say.
2. Where can we view this data for how many times Boot goes down when we're winning by a goal? Please share.

Because we definitely don’t do it. I think Cook is too honest of a manager to deploy such a tactic. I know we don’t do it because there have been times this season we’ve been clinging on and I’ve actually wanted us to do it! Not because I like it but because every chuffer else does it!

[sophocles]

 Trigger, on 12 May 2025 - 11:04 AM, said:

It'll certainly be interesting if we score first. On this occasion though, it's not gonna stop them from time wasting

On this occasion that's correct as they'll still have a lead on aggregate. In fact they will, I think, come out of the blocks fast to try and get 3-0 up, which would kill the whole tie, then start the time-wasting very early whether they are 2 or 3 up.

This post has been edited by sophocles: 12 May 2025 - 11:10 AM

[clarevoyant.]

 sophocles, on 12 May 2025 - 11:02 AM, said:

To be honest, all this weeping, wailing and moaning about opposition delaying/disrupting tactics really bores me, as does the infantile booing and gesturing towards opposing players. It doesn't need new rules or regulations to stop it, because the simple solution is to score before your opponents, then it simply won't happen. In other words we can stop the shenanigans ourselves by doing what is the whole aim of the enterprise - scoring a goal before the opposition scores. There is no way any rules or regulations are going to stop opposition players from taking their time over throw-ins etc while they're in the lead - we wouldn't rush, and they won't either. I suppose I'll just have to carry on sitting watching some of my fellow Kopites sending their blood pressure into orbit while screaming at the opposition keeper and muttering to those around me 'Why get so worked up, of course they're going to do it, you don't expect them to rush so we've got more time to equalise do you?' In other words, the solution is in our own hands. By the way, another thing I don't understand is some people completely giving up on getting to Wembley. We and Walsall are two well-matched teams with contrasting styles, who both played very well at times. They took their chances and we didn't, largely because their keeper played a blinder. I'm not giving up because we're behind at half-time, and neither will PC.

Good time keeping is part of the answer. Teams hanging on would feel a downer and those chasing the game would get an adrenaline rush if they found they had another 10/12 minutes too play. However the ref would feel scared that in an hectic extra time period he would have to make a couple of crucial incidents which may affect his marks. The clown at Bradford being the perfect example

[sophocles]

 dim view, on 12 May 2025 - 11:07 AM, said:

But any team scoring first will do it!!

I think your argument majors on any manager like Cook being such a good sport that he would never contemplate it.
What's needed for starters is proper stats on the problem.

Of course any team scoring first will do it, and that includes us. I wasn't referring to Walsall exclusively.

[Bald magician]

I don't mind the ploy as long as we benefit

[Rodders]

Goalkeepers antics just ruin it. Catching the ball cleanly and falling to the floor, running over to a defender to have a chat when the balls gone out for a Goal kick, the ball going out on the right side and they slowly get the ball and take it over to the left. The ref yesterday told him countless times yesterday to get on with it but if he's not gonna book him the keeper is just gonna take the piss.

[Osborne again]

The management team know what they're doing, and it's about winding the clock down, plus disruption of the opposition's momentum. It's same with head injuries, defenders will drop clutching their faces even without contact being made. I hate cheating in all its forms but will we ever stop it, I doubt it.
One way to cut it out, is 1, stop players going to the bench, and 2, stop the clock. We had 5 minutes extra time yesterday, when it should have been around 15 mins. What next, goalkeepers rolling around in the penalty area during free kicks and penalties, and feigning multiple fractures of the lower leg at corners? We're getting around 60 minutes of action during the 90, and a good 15 mins of that lost time is due to conning the ref.

[Brookie]

The difficulty is that if the keeper has a genuine issue and it is ignored the ref could be open to disciplinary action

[Goku]

 BreadNoButter, on 12 May 2025 - 10:40 AM, said:

Of course, I’d prefer it to get punished but it’s only getting brought up cause we are being sour about the result yesterday, and their keeper got under afew skins.


I never said I’d saw statistics, Watch the highlights back of every game from the 70th-80th min where we’ve been winning by 1. Think I counted around 3 times where boot went down and had physio on. It happens get over it

Obviously that's the reason it's been raised but it's been raised several times throughout the season too, there should still obviously be an attempt by the authorities to stop blatant cheating.

We don't have access to full match highlights of every game. The club last uploaded full match highlights from our 1-0 victory over Barrow which is >5 months ago. Throughout the season the club has uploaded 13 full match videos to its YouTube channel:

• 1-1 vs Swindon
  
• 2-1 vs Derby
  
• 5-0 vs Crewe
  
• 1-1 vs Man City
  
• 1-1 vs Salford
  
• 3-0 vs Donny
  
• 2-2 vs Bromley
  
• 2-2 vs Walsall
  
• 2-2 vs County
  
• 3-0 vs Newport
  
• 1-1 vs Colchester
  
• 5-2 vs Morecambe
  
• 1-0 vs Barrow

Several of those matches make zero sense for Boot to go down in, so working from a very small sample size. Really cba to go through each one to see if you're chatting shit or not but honestly I probably will cos I'm not wired up properly. I don't remember seeing this much at all from us this season. If we're doing it regularly no doubt there'll be people on here who remember so can people post if so?

This post has been edited by Goku: 12 May 2025 - 11:27 AM

[SocraticCFC]

 BreadNoButter, on 12 May 2025 - 10:43 AM, said:

Amount of shit I saw on Facebook about their keeper and all we can bring up is 'where's your water bottle'. It's embarrassing, he's had so many people on strings. Grown men bragging about how they had a 20 odd year olds water bottle. You never grow looking at everyone else, time to look at why we lost and it wasn't because the ref or their keeper wasting time

Fair enough but that's a separate issue

[60s 70s Spireite]

 Goku, on 12 May 2025 - 11:23 AM, said:

Obviously that's the reason it's been raised but it's been raised several times throughout the season too, there should still obviously be an attempt by the authorities to stop blatant cheating.

We don't have access to full match highlights of every game. The club last uploaded full match highlights from our 1-0 victory over Barrow which is >5 months ago. Throughout the season the club has uploaded 13 full match videos to its YouTube channel:

• 1-1 vs Swindon
  
• 2-1 vs Derby
  
• 5-0 vs Crewe
  
• 1-1 vs Man City
  
• 1-1 vs Salford
  
• 3-0 vs Donny
  
• 2-2 vs Bromley
  
• 2-2 vs Walsall
  
• 2-2 vs County
  
• 3-0 vs Newport
  
• 1-1 vs Colchester
  
• 5-2 vs Morecambe
  
• 1-0 vs Barrow

Several of those matches make zero sense for Boot to go down in, so working from a very small sample size. Really cba to go through each one to see if you're chatting shit or not but honestly I probably will cos I'm not wired up properly. I don't remember seeing this much at all from us this season. If we're doing it regularly no doubt there'll be people on here who remember so can people post if so?

Goku, full match replays are available on Spireitestv- including the Accy game. Not had the time or inclination yet to watch the last 15 mins for signs of Boot going down injured or not

This post has been edited by 60s 70s Spireite: 12 May 2025 - 11:29 AM

[clarevoyant.]

 Goku, on 12 May 2025 - 11:23 AM, said:

Obviously that's the reason it's been raised but it's been raised several times throughout the season too, there should still obviously be an attempt by the authorities to stop blatant cheating.

We don't have access to full match highlights of every game. The club last uploaded full match highlights from our 1-0 victory over Barrow which is >5 months ago. Throughout the season the club has uploaded 13 full match videos to its YouTube channel:

• 1-1 vs Swindon
  
• 2-1 vs Derby
  
• 5-0 vs Crewe
  
• 1-1 vs Man City
  
• 1-1 vs Salford
  
• 3-0 vs Donny
  
• 2-2 vs Bromley
  
• 2-2 vs Walsall
  
• 2-2 vs County
  
• 3-0 vs Newport
  
• 1-1 vs Colchester
  
• 5-2 vs Morecambe
  
• 1-0 vs Barrow

Several of those matches make zero sense for Boot to go down in, so working from a very small sample size. Really cba to go through each one to see if you're chatting shit or not but honestly I probably will cos I'm not wired up properly. I don't remember seeing this much at all from us this season. If we're doing it regularly no doubt there'll be people on here who remember so can people post if so?

I think his theory is 'toast'

Sorry

[Benno Spire]

If the goalie goes down off the ball a second time then they have to leave the pitch and leave the pitch for 5 minutes and an outfield player goes in goal, it won’t happen but would stop it