[Between The Sticks]

Exharboroughspireite, on 13 May 2025 - 07:47 AM, said:

you dont need the clock stopping every time the ball went out of play. other sports dont do this including rugby. its at the referees discretion. the solution needs to be with referees enforcing the rules and cautioning players who are clearly time wasting. its in their power to do it, they just choose not to. as another poster put earlier, this is why cook loses his rag because officials turn a blind eye to it. Just like they do with the 6 second rule. when has anyone ever seen an indirect free kick given for a keeper holding the ball more than 6 seconds?

In rugby the referee calls time off if he considers the stoppage may be a littleon the long side or play acting. The game starts again when he says time on. Checked this with my gandson who is a rugby referee & they are instructed when first training this is the correct prcedure. Often they signal this action by raising his/her arm & pointing to their watch. Football ought to adapt this.

[whittman]

jack, on 12 May 2025 - 06:57 PM, said:

Only time I recall Boot going down for any length on time was Swindon (A) before the penalty. Given he'd just clattered into Kabby, and what happened earlier, it certainly wasn't tactical.

I too would like to see evidence that 'we do the same'.

it is not in Ryan Boots nature to sit on the grass saying look at me I must suddenly have a mysterious injury please referee stop the match so this mysterious injury can be looked at by a physio who is also in on the act so that between us we can waste time and also stop any momentum the opposition might be gaining at the time


Looking at the antics of the Walsall keeper and his cronies on sunday all of the above looks to be second nature


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[JonB]

Could go the same way as rugby in that the physio comes on while play carries on. Only stops play if the ref thinks that the player laid down could be in danger from the play being near them. If they are trying to get an advantage by breaking up play then take that option away

4th official is responsible for letting the physio enter the field of play and if the physio or a player deliberately causes play to stop they are yellow carded.

[sophocles]

h again, on 12 May 2025 - 02:59 PM, said:

Oh, come on. Solve the problem by scoring first? - it's as valid as saying we can solve the problem of promotion by winning every game.It's fantasy.
I'm sorry if the subject bores you.Presumably if you order a pint and get a half you nod off from sheer boredom. In fact this is a problem that comes up nearly every week now as under-pressure managers think up new ways to cheat.
It doesn't bore me, it makes me very angry at being taken for mug by people who're supposed to be selling entertainment. The only way to stop them is by a timing system that registers on a clock every time there's a stoppage in play.

Friendly advice - check your blood pressure.

[SocraticCFC]

Between The Sticks, on 13 May 2025 - 09:00 AM, said:

In rugby the referee calls time off if he considers the stoppage may be a littleon the long side or play acting. The game starts again when he says time on. Checked this with my gandson who is a rugby referee & they are instructed when first training this is the correct prcedure. Often they signal this action by raising his/her arm & pointing to their watch. Football ought to adapt this.

How about a mandatory clock in the ground which the 4th official stops every time there is an injury. Everyone can see it. It makes things fairer.

[spireitebri]

How about bringing a stretcher on as soon as he goes down, get him on it, and take him of the pitch so the game can restart, then he has to have a proper 5 min check over before he can come back on. It wont be long before you stop this cheating, and we can return to normal unless it starts again.

[erniemossity]

Maybe just hire a sniper to shoot the cheatin b@st@rds

[gordon_brittas]

I hate cheating makes my blood boil.
Think the worst I’ve ever was both against Peterborough home and away under Graham Westley, same season. Feigning injury, kicking balls into the stand etc.

[Spireite93]

gordon_brittas, on 13 May 2025 - 11:28 AM, said:

I hate cheating makes my blood boil.
Think the worst I’ve ever was both against Peterborough home and away under Graham Westley, same season. Feigning injury, kicking balls into the stand etc.

Alnwick wasn't it? he was ridiculous in the game at their place that season

[clarevoyant.]

Spireite93, on 13 May 2025 - 11:35 AM, said:

Alnwick wasn't it? he was ridiculous in the game at their place that season

Remember a ball boy retrieving the ball, going to give it our corner taker has he was to hand it over he turned round and threw into the crowd.

[sophocles]

spireitebri, on 13 May 2025 - 11:17 AM, said:

How about bringing a stretcher on as soon as he goes down, get him on it, and take him of the pitch so the game can restart, then he has to have a proper 5 min check over before he can come back on. It wont be long before you stop this cheating, and we can return to normal unless it starts again.

I think that's the most sensible suggestion so far. Give the manager the choice of bringing on a substitute keeper straight away, or putting an outfield player in goal for five minutes until the original one comes back on. It might not completely eliminate the jiggery-pokery,because it would still disrupt the opposition's momentum, but it would make teams think before trying it.

[essexspireman]

gordon_brittas, on 13 May 2025 - 11:28 AM, said:

I hate cheating makes my blood boil.
Think the worst I’ve ever was both against Peterborough home and away under Graham Westley, same season. Feigning injury, kicking balls into the stand etc.

was that when Sam Clucas was doubling up as a ball boy at their ground and the pitch was covered in litter?

[clarevoyant.]

essexspireman, on 13 May 2025 - 12:23 PM, said:

was that when Sam Clucas was doubling up as a ball boy at their ground and the pitch was covered in litter?

Correct. There was someone constantly throwing litter onto the pitch from the stand opposite us.

[dim view]

sophocles, on 13 May 2025 - 12:17 PM, said:

I think that's the most sensible suggestion so far. Give the manager the choice of bringing on a substitute keeper straight away, or putting an outfield player in goal for five minutes until the original one comes back on. It might not completely eliminate the jiggery-pokery,because it would still disrupt the opposition's momentum, but it would make teams think before trying it.

The spotlight would then just shift to an outfield player who would choose the middle of the pitch to do his acting.

[dazcarrlegend]

Force teams to bring the sub keeper on on the second occasion a keeper goes down, whilst they go off for a 5 minutes injury assessment.

If they pass the assessment, they are allowed to reverse the sub (once)

The clock stopping works in rugby and should be introduced in football. The dinosaurs in the FA and thieves in FIFA / UEFA will never be forward looking enough to adopt

This post has been edited by dazcarrlegend: 13 May 2025 - 01:13 PM

[Spireite93]

dim view, on 13 May 2025 - 12:54 PM, said:

The spotlight would then just shift to an outfield player who would choose the middle of the pitch to do his acting.

The difference being an outfield player has to leave the pitch for 30 seconds, hence why keepers do it as there is no requirement for them to leave.

I don't know if anyone counted the amount of times the Keeper went down but surely anything above 3 should become a player welfare issue in the eyes of the ref, and a suggestion made that any further instances and a substitution is required to protect a very obviously unfit/injured keeper

This post has been edited by Spireite93: 13 May 2025 - 01:15 PM

[Lincs Spireite]

As fans bellyaching isn't going to change anything. Can we make a formal complaint preferably with the backing of the club to a relevant authority. So at least something can be done to implement rules for the improvement of the game.

[60s 70s Spireite]

Lincs Spireite, on 13 May 2025 - 01:26 PM, said:

As fans bellyaching isn't going to change anything. Can we make a formal complaint preferably with the backing of the club to a relevant authority. So at least something can be done to implement rules for the improvement of the game.

Trouble is, it would have to go to FIFA/IFAB for them to implement any change. Do they have this issue in say Italy, Spain, France, Germany, South America? Not sure Ive seen it in big matches, although I rarely watch an entire match on TV now.

Interesting that Fadz raised the issue immediately after the game. Perhaps he never saw much of it in the Championship.

[Lincs Spireite]

60s 70s Spireite, on 13 May 2025 - 03:42 PM, said:

Trouble is, it would have to go to FIFA/IFAB for them to implement any change. Do they have this issue in say Italy, Spain, France, Germany, South America? Not sure Ive seen it in big matches, although I rarely watch an entire match on TV now.

Interesting that Fadz raised the issue immediately after the game. Perhaps he never saw much of it in the Championship.

If players and fans supported by clubs made a concerted effort, then surely we can at least get then to consider improving the matchday experience for everyone's benefit. As far as I can see it's a win win for all concerned so why wouldn't they. Who would actually WANT to support cheating.

This post has been edited by Lincs Spireite: 13 May 2025 - 04:05 PM

[clarevoyant.]

60s 70s Spireite, on 13 May 2025 - 03:42 PM, said:

Trouble is, it would have to go to FIFA/IFAB for them to implement any change. Do they have this issue in say Italy, Spain, France, Germany, South America? Not sure Ive seen it in big matches, although I rarely watch an entire match on TV now.

Interesting that Fadz raised the issue immediately after the game. Perhaps he never saw much of it in the Championship.

Did it go through those bodies to do the right thing as they did a couple of seasons ago. The refs body could sort it by giving a directive to play the proper time with the assessor actually assessing that it was done correctly, otherwise precious marks would be lost and they font want that.

Lincs Spireite, on 13 May 2025 - 04:03 PM, said:

If players and fans supported by clubs made a concerted effort, then surely we can at least get then to consider improving the matchday experience for everyone's benefit. As far as I can see it's a win win for all concerned so why wouldn't they. Who would actually WANT to support cheating.

Inadequate coaches, they introduced it.