[JonB]

dtp, on 22 April 2025 - 09:17 AM, said:

Must admit I wasn’t at all impressed with the officials yesterday. Neither was I impressed with the tactics used by Bradford in trying to influence decisions, time waste, feign injury, and generally get away with blatant foul play. They played the officials right through the game.

With reference to the little Araujo spat, the Bradford player intentionally tried to provoke a reaction from young Harvey and had already kicked him whilst on the ground before he got that reaction. In fairness to the ref he didn’t actually fall for that one but how he could only determine Grigg was fouled just once when their CB repeatedly performed the same act both before and after it had been deemed a foul I don’t know. If it is a foul once it is a foul every time!!!

The antics started with their number 8 i think it was claiming he had been smashed in the face in our box, no foul given but then the ref stopped play shortly after as we moved forward to check on him only for the player to get up and give the ref a gob full with no action taken. Same player had two or three more goes at the ref with nothing done but Grigg got a talking to for complaining about a foul against him when he seemed to get the ball.

One of the fouls given on Grigg their centre back pretty much had him in a head lock but still look bemused when the foul went against him.

[Valley Blues]

JonB, on 22 April 2025 - 09:02 AM, said:

Was on the other side of the pitch from me but it did look like Sarcevic i think it was knew Araujo was booked and made a beeline to try and provoke him into a reaction. There was no reason for him to walk over Araujo like he did when he was on the floor and he knew exactly what he was doing. Araujo was set to come off before that but it would have topped things off with the ref if he had fallen for it.


I can see us doing exactly what we did for a lot of the game yesterday. Mandeville listed as right back but when we have the ball he will push into almost central midfield to give another body in there and leave space for Olakigbe to work on the right wing. I think Cook also things that Olakigbe's pace gives us cover at right back to do that. You would think we will have a lot of the ball on Saturday so expect to see more of what happened yesterday as the game wore on. Bradford struggled to find a way to stop Mandeville influencing the game plus Mandeville being in there gave Metcalf a bit more room to influence the game as well.

It was Walker who had the incident with Araujo. He’d not been on long.

Sly trick from him, nothing more than a blatant attempt to get Araujo booked.

[Rodney's Moustache]

JonB, on 22 April 2025 - 09:23 AM, said:

The antics started with their number 8 i think it was claiming he had been smashed in the face in our box, no foul given but then the ref stopped play shortly after as we moved forward to check on him only for the player to get up and give the ref a gob full with no action taken. Same player had two or three more goes at the ref with nothing done but Grigg got a talking to for complaining about a foul against him when he seemed to get the ball.

One of the fouls given on Grigg their centre back pretty much had him in a head lock but still look bemused when the foul went against him.

Grigg took an elbow to the back of the head when jumping for the ball with one of the Bradford centre backs.

This post has been edited by Rodney's Moustache: 22 April 2025 - 09:27 AM

[Zigsuk]

prolurker, on 22 April 2025 - 08:09 AM, said:

Slightly reactionary but if we'd won that game, the Mandeville performance would go down as one of the best I've seen in a blue shirt.

There were times where every player on the pitch looked panicked but he had the ability to get the ball down and moving. Oustanding servant and getting better every season.

As I think has been acknowledged before Mandy was the only one who didn’t look out of his depth when we played Chelsea. As one of the commentators in an away game described him last season ‘a lovely footballer to watch.’ And as someone said here recently he will make occasional mistakes because he is so involved
It seems bizarre that our most influential player (along with Dobra) is currently our right back, although that is nominal as he gets everywhere.

[fishini]

hilly81, on 21 April 2025 - 08:04 PM, said:

It is soft but we would be screaming for it if it was at the other end.

Watched it a few times and IMHO it wasn't a penalty At all

[clarevoyant.]

Oh the irony: After the game at Bradford I had a good whinge regarding the grapplers antics in the final 5 minutes, when we had several corners and the ref crapping himself about having to make a decision, we could have had 3 seasons allocation of penalties in that time. Then 10 minutes in
the following game they get one, brilliant. You could argue it was a penalty, it looked a little manufactured though, we definitely wouldn't have got it as it proved as the game progressed, the grapplers have got the grappling of to a fine art.
The ref missed a great opportunity to set his stall out early doors by taking action on the player who threw the most pathetic dive on the edge of our box west stand. If ever simulation deserved a card that certainly did and would have put doubt in players mind about using sh..housery tactics. In fact didn't it warrant a 2nd yellow for bad acting, but saying that it may be because I detest Bradford.

Pity the officials didn't add the proper time on again, we'll never know what an extra 5 may have brought.

[HaslandBlue58]

azul, on 21 April 2025 - 09:59 PM, said:

Its not the decision that is incorrect but singling that one incident out while ignoring all the other stuff; that's the issue

And there we have it in a nutshell,the sheer inconsistencies on a continual basis.

[fishini]

HaslandBlue58, on 22 April 2025 - 10:34 AM, said:

And there we have it in a nutshell,the sheer inconsistencies on a continual basis.

I find the officials are no better than the ones in non league

[dtp]

clarevoyant., on 22 April 2025 - 09:49 AM, said:

Oh the irony: After the game at Bradford I had a good whinge regarding the grapplers antics in the final 5 minutes, when we had several corners and the ref crapping himself about having to make a decision, we could have had 3 seasons allocation of penalties in that time. Then 10 minutes in
the following game they get one, brilliant. You could argue it was a penalty, it looked a little manufactured though, we definitely wouldn't have got it as it proved as the game progressed, the grapplers have got the grappling of to a fine art.
The ref missed a great opportunity to set his stall out early doors by taking action on the player who threw the most pathetic dive on the edge of our box west stand. If ever simulation deserved a card that certainly did and would have put doubt in players mind about using sh..housery tactics. In fact didn't it warrant a 2nd yellow for bad acting, but saying that it may be because I detest Bradford.

Pity the officials didn't add the proper time on again, we'll never know what an extra 5 may have brought.

Regarding the actual penalty, if Naylor had hold of the Bradford player’s shirt effectively pulling him back how did he manage to fall forward?

[clarevoyant.]

dtp, on 22 April 2025 - 10:50 AM, said:

Regarding the actual penalty, if Naylor had hold of the Bradford player’s shirt effectively pulling him back how did he manage to fall forward?

Practice

[Zigsuk]

I expect if a similar foul happened to our player and it wasn’t given the same people bleating it wasn’t a penalty would insist it was. It looked a penalty end of.
As for inconsistencies afraid that’s human nature. Fans have whinged about refs ever since I can remember. The alternative is VAR and that’s nor really an alternative. Do some want Var? I certainly don’t. It’s horrendous.

[JonB]

Zigsuk, on 22 April 2025 - 11:00 AM, said:

I expect if a similar foul happened to our player and it wasn’t given the same people bleating it wasn’t a penalty would insist it was. It looked a penalty end of.
As for inconsistencies afraid that’s human nature. Fans have whinged about refs ever since I can remember. The alternative is VAR and that’s nor really an alternative. Do some want Var? I certainly don’t. It’s horrendous.

The issue with inconsistencies is fine if its a one off moment but the same thing he gave them, arguably worse, happened endlessly at every corner we had second half and neither the ref or the assistant in front of the West Stand were inclined to give a decision to stop it happening. Thats just turning a blind eye to it and its another one of those things that was given when it was in the public eye for a while years ago and then has been left to get worse and worse again. Gets worse when they stop play to warn defenders to stop doing it then instantly blow the moment the ball comes in to give a foul against an attacker for something nondescript.

We've also seen numerous times this season similar things and worse not given as fouls when we would have benefitted. Its fair for people to be getting fed up with it.

This post has been edited by JonB: 22 April 2025 - 11:06 AM

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clarevoyant., on 22 April 2025 - 09:49 AM, said:

Oh the irony: After the game at Bradford I had a good whinge regarding the grapplers antics in the final 5 minutes, when we had several corners and the ref crapping himself about having to make a decision, we could have had 3 seasons allocation of penalties in that time. Then 10 minutes in
the following game they get one, brilliant. You could argue it was a penalty, it looked a little manufactured though, we definitely wouldn't have got it as it proved as the game progressed, the grapplers have got the grappling of to a fine art.
The ref missed a great opportunity to set his stall out early doors by taking action on the player who threw the most pathetic dive on the edge of our box west stand. If ever simulation deserved a card that certainly did and would have put doubt in players mind about using sh..housery tactics. In fact didn't it warrant a 2nd yellow for bad acting, but saying that it may be because I detest Bradford.

Pity the officials didn't add the proper time on again, we'll never know what an extra 5 may have brought.

The ref. spent how long telling their defenders not to hold?Why do they do that, surely they should wait until the ball is in play then caution the culprit/culprits?How much time is wasted every game doing that without being added on?It is not the refs job to instruct them before a corner is taken.

If the West Stand lino had raised his flag every time their left winger had got the ball,in the first half,he would have had a success rate of about 90%,as it was he was closer to 0%, similar to his score of being up with play.

[HaslandBlue58]

JonB, on 22 April 2025 - 11:05 AM, said:

The issue with inconsistencies is fine if its a one off moment but the same thing he gave them, arguably worse, happened endlessly at every corner we had second half and neither the ref or the assistant in front of the West Stand were inclined to give a decision to stop it happening. Thats just turning a blind eye to it and its another one of those things that was given when it was in the public eye for a while years ago and then has been left to get worse and worse again. Gets worse when they stop play to warn defenders to stop doing it then instantly blow the moment the ball comes in to give a foul against an attacker for something nondescript.

We've also seen numerous times this season similar things and worse not given as fouls when we would have benefitted. Its fair for people to be getting fed up with it.

100%,plus the two hands in the back,the two armed holding off when the ball is heading to the byline and the two arms on shoulders to either hold a player down or to get higher to meet a ball,all offences according to the rules and continually ignored.

[fishini]

dtp, on 22 April 2025 - 10:50 AM, said:

Regarding the actual penalty, if Naylor had hold of the Bradford player’s shirt effectively pulling him back how did he manage to fall forward?

That is the question. It wasn't a penalty just play acting

[fishini]

Zigsuk, on 22 April 2025 - 11:00 AM, said:

I expect if a similar foul happened to our player and it wasn’t given the same people bleating it wasn’t a penalty would insist it was. It looked a penalty end of.
As for inconsistencies afraid that’s human nature. Fans have whinged about refs ever since I can remember. The alternative is VAR and that’s nor really an alternative. Do some want Var? I certainly don’t. It’s horrendous.

One penalty all season is something more than just inconsistencies

[JonB]

fishini, on 22 April 2025 - 11:18 AM, said:

That is the question. It wasn't a penalty just play acting

I know some people want us not to do it but i've said it before....we dont make enough of situations. Had more than Madden made a deal of the issues in the box or a couple had started going to ground from the grappling it would have put pressure on the officials to make a decision. As it stands they were happy to just let it carry on.

[dtp]

Zigsuk, on 22 April 2025 - 11:00 AM, said:

I expect if a similar foul happened to our player and it wasn’t given the same people bleating it wasn’t a penalty would insist it was. It looked a penalty end of.
As for inconsistencies afraid that’s human nature. Fans have whinged about refs ever since I can remember. The alternative is VAR and that’s nor really an alternative. Do some want Var? I certainly don’t. It’s horrendous.

You are probably not wrong but that still does not explain the total lack of consistency in the decision making of officials. Yesterday’s men in black were consistently inconsistent in this respect whilst the Bradford squad appeared capable of orchestrating many decisions they made.

[Osborne again]

fishini, on 22 April 2025 - 11:18 AM, said:

That is the question. It wasn't a penalty just play acting

It's very frustrating for all involved when it's obvious that the officials aren't inclined to give a decision to one side but are falling over themselves to award the opposition free kick after free kick. I was surprised that he didn't send Mandy off when their player bungled him into their bench after, what I saw as a red for the Bradford player. Very good play acting by their bench to try and move the blame onto Mandeville, so their player didn't even get a booking.

[clarevoyant.]

JonB, on 22 April 2025 - 11:26 AM, said:

I know some people want us not to do it but i've said it before....we dont make enough of situations. Had more than Madden made a deal of the issues in the box or a couple had started going to ground from the grappling it would have put pressure on the officials to make a decision. As it stands they were happy to just let it carry on.

How many did we have booked before H/T bizarrely more than them, putting the cautioned players mindful of how any future transgressions may be dealt with.

The game management was poor.