[60s 70s Spireite]

hilly81, on 28 January 2025 - 10:51 AM, said:

Statistically, you're much more likely to score a goal working it into the box than a pot-shot from distance. Players can't win. They have the ball 25 yards out, hear the groans of 'Shooooooot' from the crowd then have to put up with the jeers when the ball ends up in Tesco.

An interesting read: https://www.bbc.co.u...of-the-screamer

Good stuff.
Can we look out for a report that shows how many goals have been given away by intercepted passes from keeper to defender in the last quarter or so. As far as I can see there is such a goal conceded each week per MOTD.

[Bald magician]

Fit as a Nelson, on 28 January 2025 - 11:08 AM, said:

Completely agree with you for once 😂

Easy 😉

[Looker-on]

hilly81, on 28 January 2025 - 10:51 AM, said:

Statistically, you're much more likely to score a goal working it into the box than a pot-shot from distance. Players can't win. They have the ball 25 yards out, hear the groans of 'Shooooooot' from the crowd then have to put up with the jeers when the ball ends up in Tesco.

An interesting read: https://www.bbc.co.u...of-the-screamer

Good stuff. No better illustration than last Saturday, when long-range efforts from Grimes and McFadzean were blocked or missed, while dobs all but walked the ball in.

[dim view]

Looker-on, on 28 January 2025 - 11:49 AM, said:

Good stuff. No better illustration than last Saturday, when long-range efforts from Grimes and McFadzean were blocked or missed, while dobs all but walked the ball in.

One of the biggest differences between our standards and top standards is shooting technique and, in particular, keeping the ball under the crossbar. 'Keep the xxxxing thing down' is probably the most common moan amongst folk near me.

[60s 70s Spireite]

dim view, on 28 January 2025 - 12:05 PM, said:

One of the biggest differences between our standards and top standards is shooting technique and, in particular, keeping the ball under the crossbar. 'Keep the xxxxing thing down' is probably the most common moan amongst folk near me.

Yep, never seen a shot go under the line yet.

[Osborne again]

dim view, on 28 January 2025 - 12:05 PM, said:

One of the biggest differences between our standards and top standards is shooting technique and, in particular, keeping the ball under the crossbar. 'Keep the xxxxing thing down' is probably the most common moan amongst folk near me.

it's a waste of possession,if you're going to lean back and blast the ball over the bar or end up hitting the corner flag.

[h again]

hilly81, on 28 January 2025 - 10:51 AM, said:

Statistically, you're much more likely to score a goal working it into the box than a pot-shot from distance. Players can't win. They have the ball 25 yards out, hear the groans of 'Shooooooot' from the crowd then have to put up with the jeers when the ball ends up in Tesco.

An interesting read: https://www.bbc.co.u...of-the-screamer

Obviously you're going to score more goals from inside the box than outside so statistically you're correct. The problem lies with getting the ball into the box and into a shooting position, which hasn't been happening very much.
I'm not joining the shoot-from-anywhere club, but we're noticeably shy about shooting from good positions either inside or outside the box, particularly if it involves a first-time effort. Naylor had an excellent chance last Saturday but hesitated and passed uselessly - and he's one of the better ones.
Under instruction or just shy? Who knows, but we do need to make goalies work harder.

[dim view]

h again, on 28 January 2025 - 12:44 PM, said:

Obviously you're going to score more goals from inside the box than outside so statistically you're correct. The problem lies with getting the ball into the box and into a shooting position, which hasn't been happening very much.
I'm not joining the shoot-from-anywhere club, but we're noticeably shy about shooting from good positions either inside or outside the box, particularly if it involves a first-time effort. Naylor had an excellent chance last Saturday but hesitated and passed uselessly - and he's one of the better ones.
Under instruction or just shy? Who knows, but we do need to make goalies work harder.

It's interesting that Berry didn't seem encumbered by managerial instructions yet attended the same team talks.

[Tha Knows...]

If the box is packed with defenders as on Saturday hit it low and hard towards the net. Ok it probably won't go in but it might deflect in off an opponent or deflect to a forward. Pin ball wizards hey? Working the ball around the edge of the box doesn't pull defenders around much when they are all back.

[Jud]

Makes me think of Jak McCourt who scored an absolute worldy once from about 35 yards and then proceeded to spend the next month and a half shooting whenever he got the ball. If you don't try, it'll never happen, I suppose.

[JonB]

Tha Knows..., on 28 January 2025 - 02:09 PM, said:

If the box is packed with defenders as on Saturday hit it low and hard towards the net. Ok it probably won't go in but it might deflect in off an opponent or deflect to a forward. Pin ball wizards hey? Working the ball around the edge of the box doesn't pull defenders around much when they are all back.

It does exactly that....keeping the ball moving keeps defenders working and as they tire the potential for an opening due to one of them making a mistake increases.

I always remember the Bromley home game last season when the opening goal was a header from Quigley came after we spent a while working the ball around to get to the best crossing situation and Quigley getting free rather than just chuck it in the box. From about 3mins in here :-

[LondonBlue]

Jud, on 28 January 2025 - 02:14 PM, said:

Makes me think of Jak McCourt who scored an absolute worldy once from about 35 yards and then proceeded to spend the next month and a half shooting whenever he got the ball. If you don't try, it'll never happen, I suppose.

Banks does this.

[Search & Destroy]

Looker-on, on 28 January 2025 - 11:49 AM, said:

Good stuff. No better illustration than last Saturday, when long-range efforts from Grimes and McFadzean were blocked or missed, while dobs all but walked the ball in.

Was a good hit by Grimes, looked on target

[PYB]

dim view, on 28 January 2025 - 01:09 PM, said:

It's interesting that Berry didn't seem encumbered by managerial instructions yet attended the same team talks.

Perhaps that is why Berry didn’t start many matches and was subsequently sold…?

This post has been edited by PYB: 28 January 2025 - 04:25 PM

[Goku]

PYB, on 28 January 2025 - 04:24 PM, said:

Perhaps that is why Berry didn?t start many matches and was subsequently sold??

(But probably not)

[h again]

dim view, on 28 January 2025 - 01:09 PM, said:

It's interesting that Berry didn't seem encumbered by managerial instructions yet attended the same team talks.

I almost posted the same thing. Berry would shoot from anywhere, including the half-way line, so can we assume nobody's being told to walk it into the net? And in that case are a load of rockets being dished out every time we pass up a decent shooting opportunity?

[hilly81]

h again, on 28 January 2025 - 04:51 PM, said:

I almost posted the same thing. Berry would shoot from anywhere, including the half-way line, so can we assume nobody's being told to walk it into the net? And in that case are a load of rockets being dished out every time we pass up a decent shooting opportunity?

It's horses for courses. How many of our squad have history of being able to score (Or even hit the target!) from distance? Banks has a few absolute rockets on his CV but they are an exception rather than the norm. Oldaker strikes a wonderful dead ball but seems reluctant in open play. Anyone else? If it isn't a skill they have or are confident with, they won't try it as often.

[JonB]

hilly81, on 28 January 2025 - 05:06 PM, said:

It's horses for courses. How many of our squad have history of being able to score (Or even hit the target!) from distance? Banks has a few absolute rockets on his CV but they are an exception rather than the norm. Oldaker strikes a wonderful dead ball but seems reluctant in open play. Anyone else? If it isn't a skill they have or are confident with, they won't try it as often.

Oldaker had a shot from outside the box on Saturday that the keeper fumbled and dobra tamely put the rebound into the side netting. I suspect the instruction is not never to shoot but to shoot if it?s a good option and worthwhile not just some speculative hurried strike that will probably not come to anything and turn the ball over.

[60s 70s Spireite]

hilly81, on 28 January 2025 - 05:06 PM, said:

It's horses for courses. How many of our squad have history of being able to score (Or even hit the target!) from distance? Banks has a few absolute rockets on his CV but they are an exception rather than the norm. Oldaker strikes a wonderful dead ball but seems reluctant in open play. Anyone else? If it isn't a skill they have or are confident with, they won't try it as often.

Colcloughs only goal of the season v Tranmere was struck perfectly from a fraction outside the area. Its a pity he doesnt find himself in the middle a little more.

[dim view]

h again, on 28 January 2025 - 04:51 PM, said:

I almost posted the same thing. Berry would shoot from anywhere, including the half-way line, so can we assume nobody's being told to walk it into the net? And in that case are a load of rockets being dished out every time we pass up a decent shooting opportunity?

On Satday, first half, Oldaker got the ball under control in space 15 yards out adjacent to the left hand post.
Instead of shooting he tried a Hoddle pass to Mandeville which would have required a further passage of play to create a goal, a cut back. The ball was played with too much pace and it went out for a goal kick. I think 10 out of 10 people would say that he made the wrong decision. I'd like to know what Phil T and Jamie said in commentary.