[Fit as a Nelson]

jack bauer, on 18 January 2025 - 05:11 PM, said:

webb on 1866 just stated that araujo had a set back, possibly out for 2-3 months,

I?d send him back, but he?ll need replacing.

[dtp]

jack bauer, on 18 January 2025 - 05:11 PM, said:

webb on 1866 just stated that araujo had a set back, possibly out for 2-3 months,

If that is the case I wonder if we might try to agree to send him back to Fulham and bring in an alternative youngster.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

jack bauer, on 18 January 2025 - 05:11 PM, said:

webb on 1866 just stated that araujo had a set back, possibly out for 2-3 months,

Virtually the season, then.

Like the lad, but if we can send him back and replace that's football...

[60s 70s Spireite]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 18 January 2025 - 05:14 PM, said:

Virtually the season, then.

Like the lad, but if we can send him back and replace that's football...

Strange thing, three Premier League kids out with long term injuries in the season, Araujo, Tanton and Metcalfe. Perhaps next season look for kids who have had a decent spell on loan at another club, even if below our level, and have proven they have the cajones for the mans game.

[Fit as a Nelson]

60s 70s Spireite, on 18 January 2025 - 05:31 PM, said:

Strange thing, three Premier League kids out with long term injuries in the season, Araujo, Tanton and Metcalfe. Perhaps next season look for kids who have had a decent spell on loan at another club, even if below our level, and have proven they have the cajones for the mans game.

Thompson has been injured as well hasn?t he?

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

60s 70s Spireite, on 18 January 2025 - 05:31 PM, said:

Strange thing, three Premier League kids out with long term injuries in the season, Araujo, Tanton and Metcalfe. Perhaps next season look for kids who have had a decent spell on loan at another club, even if below our level, and have proven they have the cajones for the mans game.

We need a reserve team to bridge the gap...

[azul]

60s 70s Spireite, on 18 January 2025 - 05:31 PM, said:

Strange thing, three Premier League kids out with long term injuries in the season, Araujo, Tanton and Metcalfe. Perhaps next season look for kids who have had a decent spell on loan at another club, even if below our level, and have proven they have the cajones for the mans game.

It might be a valid point if we hadn't so many injuries to our own.

[JonB]

Fit as a Nelson, on 18 January 2025 - 05:35 PM, said:

Thompson has been injured as well hasn?t he?

Rolled his ankle in pre match warm ups for one game and missed a couple. Could have happened to any player really.

[Exharboroughspireite]

Fit as a Nelson, on 18 January 2025 - 05:12 PM, said:

I?d send him back, but he?ll need replacing.

Agreed. Time to terminate the loan.

[60s 70s Spireite]

azul, on 18 January 2025 - 05:43 PM, said:

It might be a valid point if we hadn't so many injuries to our own.

I think its valid in that research shows young inexperienced loanees do suffer more injuries than their team mates.

[azul]

60s 70s Spireite, on 18 January 2025 - 06:02 PM, said:

I think its valid in that research shows young inexperienced loanees do suffer more injuries than their team mates.

Perhaps the research does but what does the research show about all the other injuries we have had to senior players. That cajaones remark was rather uncharacteristic but sadly it seems to be gaining traction. How did someone describe Tanton recently; made of biscuit?

It is really a non issue. These players are used to playing academy football which is played almost non contact and at walking pace, so they are bound to start getting injuries.

This post has been edited by azul: 18 January 2025 - 06:34 PM

[60s 70s Spireite]

The last paragraph is what the article was pointing to. Hence my suggestion we loan in players who have a bit more experience of the mens game.
Perhaps no coincidence that 3 of the best loanees at this level this season, Danny Imray, Nathan Lowe and Markanday have played some senior football before.

[Fit as a Nelson]

JonB, on 18 January 2025 - 05:55 PM, said:

Rolled his ankle in pre match warm ups for one game and missed a couple. Could have happened to any player really.

Thanks, knew he?d been out but couldn?t remember why.

[azul]

60s 70s Spireite, on 18 January 2025 - 06:53 PM, said:

The last paragraph is what the article was pointing to. Hence my suggestion we loan in players who have a bit more experience of the mens game.
Perhaps no coincidence that 3 of the best loanees at this level this season, Danny Imray, Nathan Lowe and Markanday have played some senior football before.

Yes it is blindingly obvious.

These players you mentioned transitioned from academy football to first team football at some point, did they suffer long layoffs through injury at that point through lack of cajones or were they just lucky.

One other thing worth pointing out is that Markanday here as a senior player needing game time and the Fulham lads were development players. It would be interesting to see their relative cost.

[60s 70s Spireite]

azul, on 18 January 2025 - 07:22 PM, said:

Yes it is blindingly obvious.

These players you mentioned transitioned from academy football to first team football at some point, did they suffer long layoffs through injury at that point through lack of cajones or were they just lucky.

One other thing worth pointing out is that Markanday here as a senior player needing game time and the Fulham lads were development players. It would be interesting to see their relative cost.

Ignore cajones then, it is the wrong word.
But we have to find a way to bring in loan players that help our cause, not ultimately hinder it by being sidelined. The issue about bringing in loanees with senior experience, they have proved hopefully their ability to keep relatively injury free and cope with the mens game.

As you say, it would be interesting to see the relative cost. Is another issue that to bring in players like the two Fulham lads and Metcalfe, the cost is only low if we play then regularly- but in fact they cant cope with so many games as yet.

[dtp]

60s 70s Spireite, on 18 January 2025 - 07:39 PM, said:

Ignore cajones then, it is the wrong word.
But we have to find a way to bring in loan players that help our cause, not ultimately hinder it by being sidelined. The issue about bringing in loanees with senior experience, they have proved hopefully their ability to keep relatively injury free and cope with the mens game.

As you say, it would be interesting to see the relative cost. Is another issue that to bring in players like the two Fulham lads and Metcalfe, the cost is only low if we play then regularly- but in fact they cant cope with so many games as yet.

Surely, part of the reason for bringing in players like Tanton, Aroujo, and Metcalfe is that they fit into the category of being under 21 years old and, as such, supplement the squad of 22 players rather than being counted in it. Additionally, we probably get these players rather cheaply because their clubs want them to gain some experience.

May I add, none of these players have let us down when played and we have had our fair share of seasoned professionals going down with injuries this season.

[azul]

60s 70s Spireite, on 18 January 2025 - 07:39 PM, said:

Ignore cajones then, it is the wrong word.
But we have to find a way to bring in loan players that help our cause, not ultimately hinder it by being sidelined. The issue about bringing in loanees with senior experience, they have proved hopefully their ability to keep relatively injury free and cope with the mens game.

As you say, it would be interesting to see the relative cost. Is another issue that to bring in players like the two Fulham lads and Metcalfe, the cost is only low if we play then regularly- but in fact they cant cope with so many games as yet.

I remember Cook saying Fulham were brilliant people to deal with. Reading between the lines I expect he meant they were essentially free with few strings attached. Of course that would never have been an issue because they were well worth their position in the starting eleven. I expect Metcalfe would have been similar as he was never a guaranteed starter and there never seemed any pressure for him to be so.

This post has been edited by azul: 18 January 2025 - 08:01 PM

[60s 70s Spireite]

dtp, on 18 January 2025 - 07:50 PM, said:

Surely, part of the reason for bringing in players like Tanton, Aroujo, and Metcalfe is that they fit into the category of being under 21 years old and, as such, supplement the squad of 22 players rather than being counted in it. Additionally, we probably get these players rather cheaply because their clubs want them to gain some experience.

May I add, none of these players have let us down when played and we have had our fair share of seasoned professionals going down with injuries this season.

Just looking at ways of reducing our risk. Its new to us, having a 22 man squad, plus under 21s and keepers. We have not had three such loanees at the same time in recent years, if ever.
Three injuries to three under 21 loanees, suggest there are lessons to be learned.

[Phil V 72]

60s 70s Spireite, on 18 January 2025 - 08:09 PM, said:

Just looking at ways of reducing our risk. Its new to us, having a 22 man squad, plus under 21s and keepers. We have not had three such loanees at the same time in recent years, if ever.
Three injuries to three under 21 loanees, suggest there are lessons to be learned.

There was an interesting discussion on Phil Tooleys podcast about the worries Premier League managers have about the gulf in physical requirements between U21/23 squads and senior football.

[calvin plummers socks]

Phil V 72, on 20 January 2025 - 02:11 PM, said:

There was an interesting discussion on Phil Tooleys podcast about the worries Premier League managers have about the gulf in physical requirements between U21/23 squads and senior football.

Do you have a link? Would be interested to hear this