[Hong Kong Spireite]

dtp, on 21 December 2024 - 09:57 PM, said:

Anybody got any thoughts on the ref today?

I thought he let far too many fouls go unpunished early on leading them to think it was ok to keep on fouling in the knowledge that they would very likely not receive a yellow card. Whilst he did not miss much in terms of awarding free-kicks had he chosen to brandish a card early on he would not have had as many free-kicks to award later.

Personally, I thought the ref was excellent. You barely noticed him, which is the sign of a good ref!

[spireitetoo]

dtp, on 21 December 2024 - 09:57 PM, said:

Anybody got any thoughts on the ref today?

I thought he let far too many fouls go unpunished early on leading them to think it was ok to keep on fouling in the knowledge that they would very likely not receive a yellow card. Whilst he did not miss much in terms of awarding free-kicks had he chosen to brandish a card early on he would not have had as many free-kicks to award later.

Said to my lad, that I thought he was the best we've had this season...

[Westbars Spireite]

Mr Mercury, on 21 December 2024 - 09:26 PM, said:

If that?s the case, re his attitude, and I?m not sure it is, then let him go.
Personally I?d take ?750k for him now.

I can't see anyone offering that or anywhere close to it.

[Westbars Spireite]

Burgerman, on 21 December 2024 - 10:07 PM, said:

I?m not seeing any pile on, just folk offering opinions. There is no doubting Berry is a decent player. He?s skilful and an exciting player but he does drift in and out of games.

He?s made great strides since he first arrived where he looked totally lost. I put his improvement down to the coaching he?s getting here so as far as I?m concerned, he will improve even more. But it?s not a pile on, it?s just people observing the game.

No one hates him, everyone will support him and encourage him.

Exactly that. Wouldn't be much of discussion if things were ignored. Cook will be onto it.

[HaslandBlue58]

dtp, on 21 December 2024 - 09:57 PM, said:

Anybody got any thoughts on the ref today?

I thought he let far too many fouls go unpunished early on leading them to think it was ok to keep on fouling in the knowledge that they would very likely not receive a yellow card. Whilst he did not miss much in terms of awarding free-kicks had he chosen to brandish a card early on he would not have had as many free-kicks to award later.

I posted earlier on another thread that if they actually followed the rule book for the basics and gave out cards early doors for fouls that deserved it, the harder decisions would become easier and hopefully result in a drop in abuse.
Regarding todays official I thought he was very selective,as is the norm for us, regarding levels of fouls, their number 39 took Banks out about four times in the first half and not in a subtle way yet a full bodied tackle by Banks gets a card.They were looking for a penalty first half and the last 15 kept conning free kicks out of the ref.
Are the officials really so gullible or do they choose to be?

[60s 70s Spireite]

Burgerman, on 21 December 2024 - 10:07 PM, said:

I?m not seeing any pile on, just folk offering opinions. There is no doubting Berry is a decent player. He?s skilful and an exciting player but he does drift in and out of games.

He?s made great strides since he first arrived where he looked totally lost. I put his improvement down to the coaching he?s getting here so as far as I?m concerned, he will improve even more. But it?s not a pile on, it?s just people observing the game.

No one hates him, everyone will support him and encourage him.

It?s a pile on when the crowd in the East Stand start telling him where he should stand, when he should go (one way or the other) coupled with the comments on here. Before long his play will become a self fulfilling prophecy of the criticism he is getting- as his confidence doesnt look great.
For all of his called out faults he had two efforts on target - which were saved or blocked. Yes, the first looked weak, but he was trying to curl it in (as he has done a few times) as opposed to blast it.

[jack bauer]

HaslandBlue58, on 21 December 2024 - 10:21 PM, said:

I posted earlier on another thread that if they actually followed the rule book for the basics and gave out cards early doors for fouls that deserved it, the harder decisions would become easier and hopefully result in a drop in abuse.
Regarding todays official I thought he was very selective,as is the norm for us, regarding levels of fouls, their number 39 took Banks out about four times in the first half and not in a subtle way yet a full bodied tackle by Banks gets a card.They were looking for a penalty first half and the last 15 kept conning free kicks out of the ref.
Are the officials really so gullible or do they choose to be?

agree with this, whilst he awarded us a lot of free kicks in the first half he didn't clamp down hard enough early enough and it send a signal that it's ok, with our injury list being what it is it could have become considerably worse due to this lack of responsibility, like you say banks was upended a couple of times and on another day that could have been yet another in the treatment room.

[60s 70s Spireite]

jack bauer, on 21 December 2024 - 10:26 PM, said:

agree with this, whilst he awarded us a lot of free kicks in the first half he didn't clamp down hard enough early enough and it send a signal that it's ok, with our injury list being what it is it could have become considerably worse due to this lack of responsibility, like you say banks was upended a couple of times and on another day that could have been yet another in the treatment room.

Not sure about the theory of early bookings. Remember when Webb reffed the WC Final- first booking 15 mins, 5 more in the next 13 mins- 14 in all. Early bookings tend to leave the ref with no where to go.

[jack bauer]

60s 70s Spireite, on 21 December 2024 - 10:39 PM, said:

Not sure about the theory of early bookings. Remember when Webb reffed the WC Final- first booking 15 mins, 5 more in the next 13 mins- 14 in all. Early bookings tend to leave the ref with no where to go.

fair point, perhaps a word with the captain of the offending team to say next one is in the book, 1st half they were carving us up and besides the free kicks were "getting away with it"

[azul]

rodney, on 21 December 2024 - 07:58 PM, said:

Apart from the impact on Berry, anything else concerning?

Whether you or anyone else likes it of not, Berry is likely to be crucial over the next fortnight given our lack of resources. He was still one of our more likely outlets 2nd half even with the perceived lack of commitment when pressing.

Humiliating him by subbing him off wouldn't serve anyone. Not that it was ever on the cards as it was obvious why Horton replace Araujo

[jack bauer]

another solid performance today from shecks i am happy to say, very little threat came down his side of the pitch.

[Osborne again]

azul, on 21 December 2024 - 08:21 PM, said:

Wimbledon looked every bit like Bromley and it wasn't just their kit

They reminded me of a Bradford Park Avenue type of side from the 60s/70s. They make a junior school kick and rush game look classy.

[rodney]

azul, on 21 December 2024 - 10:57 PM, said:

Whether you or anyone else likes it of not, Berry is likely to be crucial over the next fortnight given our lack of resources. He was still one of our more likely outlets 2nd half even with the perceived lack of commitment when pressing.

Humiliating him by subbing him off wouldn't serve anyone. Not that it was ever on the cards as it was obvious why Horton replace Araujo

Totally agree he will be important for us. Hopefully for all of the season. But there?s are obvious reasons Cook doesn?t start him and the crowd get on his back as folks have commented on from the East stand.

[Westbars Spireite]

60s 70s Spireite, on 21 December 2024 - 10:26 PM, said:

It?s a pile on when the crowd in the East Stand start telling him where he should stand, when he should go (one way or the other) coupled with the comments on here. Before long his play will become a self fulfilling prophecy of the criticism he is getting- as his confidence doesnt look great.
For all of his called out faults he had two efforts on target - which were saved or blocked. Yes, the first looked weak, but he was trying to curl it in (as he has done a few times) as opposed to blast it.

He's a big boy in man's game. He could help himself with the body language and 'effort' (perceived or otherwise) as that's the root of most of the criticism.

azul, on 21 December 2024 - 10:57 PM, said:

Whether you or anyone else likes it of not, Berry is likely to be crucial over the next fortnight given our lack of resources. He was still one of our more likely outlets 2nd half even with the perceived lack of commitment when pressing.

Humiliating him by subbing him off wouldn't serve anyone. Not that it was ever on the cards as it was obvious why Horton replace Araujo

I thought it could easily have been him instead of Dobra. For the reason you mentioned I'm not sure it would have been a good move.

[azul]

jack bauer, on 21 December 2024 - 11:00 PM, said:

another solid performance today from shecks i am happy to say, very little threat came down his side of the pitch.

He was another one condemned for not being good enough for league football before he even kicked a ball this season

[azul]

Westbars Spireite, on 21 December 2024 - 11:04 PM, said:

He's a big boy in man's game. He could help himself with the body language and 'effort' (perceived or otherwise) as that's the root of most of the criticism.
I thought it could easily have been him instead of Dobra. For the reason you mentioned I'm not sure it would have been a good move.

Subbing him would have been total madness

Personally I do think he has a high opinion of himself possibly elevated by all the adulation he has received previously, possibly from the same folk who are lumping on him now.

He can be frustrating in his movement but he may be working under instructions and he certainly likes to receive the ball deeper in front of his defender and cut inside. That is where most of his success has come since he has been here. If he charged forward every time some nob told him to he'd be offside 10 times a game. If there is a criticism that I'd lay at his feet is that he is a bit of a one tick pony and he needs to expand his game.

Also noting that when discussing his lack of commitment, nobody has mentioned a great late block after the winger had skinned our fullback

[azul]

Bald magician, on 21 December 2024 - 09:24 PM, said:

I didn?t want this to be the case but it feels like the Januarys transfer window is a very key period for the club. I?ve got my fingers crossed

The injuries make it even more crucial. I notice Webb's projected return date for injured players has moved from mid-December/mid-January to January/February. That is going to complicate any squad building, let alone catering for possible outgoings.

[prolurker]

jack bauer, on 21 December 2024 - 11:00 PM, said:

another solid performance today from shecks i am happy to say, very little threat came down his side of the pitch.

Great defensively, but he?s super restricted going forward. I reckon 1% of his passes go forward and those that do aren?t always accurate. Looks like he?s progressing quickly since returning though so hopefully we see more Watford away assists

[Osborne again]

azul, on 21 December 2024 - 11:21 PM, said:

Subbing him would have been total madness

Personally I do think he has a high opinion of himself possibly elevated by all the adulation he has received previously, possibly from the same folk who are lumping on him now.

He can be frustrating in his movement but he may be working under instructions and he certainly likes to receive the ball deeper in front of his defender and cut inside. That is where most of his success has come since he has been here. If he charged forward every time some nob told him to he'd be offside 10 times a game. If there is a criticism that I'd lay at his feet is that he is a bit of a one tick pony and he needs to expand his game.

Also noting that when discussing his lack of commitment, nobody has mentioned a great late block after the winger had skinned our fullback

James Berry seems to be one of those players who reacts to negativity from the crowd in the opposite way that would shut them up. Head down,no press and doesn?t want the ball. He's right to think he's a very talented player, because he is. Constancy will get him playing higher up the leagues for sure. I want him to succeed for us and himself. No matter what I will encourage him from the stands and hope he has a great match at Fleetwood.

[60s 70s Spireite]

prolurker, on 21 December 2024 - 11:37 PM, said:

Great defensively, but he?s super restricted going forward. I reckon 1% of his passes go forward and those that do aren?t always accurate. Looks like he?s progressing quickly since returning though so hopefully we see more Watford away assists

He beat his man in the first half and clipped in an excellent cross a la Watford. Presumably the management would point to the no goals conceded column as regards his lack of forward sorties.