[DerbySpireite59]

Interesting, if it's reasonably accurate.

We're 15th in the players salaries table.

https://www.capology...o/payrolls/#top

I thought we'd be a lot higher.

[Westbars Spireite]

DerbySpireite59, on 17 November 2024 - 09:08 PM, said:

Interesting, if it's reasonably accurate.

We're 15th in the players salaries table.

https://www.capology...o/payrolls/#top

I thought we'd be a lot higher.

I doubt it's particularly accurate.

[60s 70s Spireite]

DerbySpireite59, on 17 November 2024 - 09:08 PM, said:

Interesting, if it's reasonably accurate.

We're 15th in the players salaries table.

https://www.capology...o/payrolls/#top

I thought we'd be a lot higher.

I posted this link earlier this week. Not sure how reliable it is. There is a wide reaching disclaimer, and not sure it passes the sensibility test. Our payroll less than Morecambes? Very much doubt it.

As I said when I posted the link, what it does show is no one really knows.

[clarevoyant.]

Siberian Spireite, on 17 November 2024 - 05:31 PM, said:

I used to live near Breckenridge, in Colorado. Great place.

Anyone who thinks we could attract another manager as good as Cook needs their bumps feeling. It's incredible that we have him.

As for squad depth, that's very good for this level too. Not too many players I'd say are not up to this level. Sure, we've had two bad performances but overall, we are back where we belong in a proper league with some really exciting players on the park, playing good football, so no complaints from me.

I've spent a lot of time in Castle Rock (not the Nottingham brewery) south of Denver and when heading in the Breckenridge direction I found it difficult to get past Tommy Knockers brew pub in Idaho Springs.

[Siberian Spireite]

clarevoyant., on 17 November 2024 - 09:47 PM, said:

I've spent a lot of time in Castle Rock (not the Nottingham brewery) south of Denver and when heading in the Breckenridge direction I found it difficult to get past Tommy Knockers brew pub in Idaho Springs.

I found it difficult to get into any pub as, frustratingly, I was 20 at the time.

[clarevoyant.]

lindave, on 17 November 2024 - 04:17 PM, said:

I said I hoped they weren't going to have a light show has they may not come back on, they were shocking.

Did he try to inform the ref re the drop ball incident? could have been an interesting conversation. Something like:-


Ay up Fred tha needs to stop play and give a drop ball.

Why?

That's what you do when the ball hits the ref.

Oh, hang on I'm the ref.

Apparently.

S..t they've scored. Can't go back now I'll look a c...

No comment.

F...it I've got to give the goal, how long added did we give.

5 mins.

Sh.t was that a back pass? More hassle, not giving it, I'm blowing on 5 f... adding goal celebration time Cookies knobs might have more attacks causing hassle. I'm a ref get me out of here.



Edit should have been attached to Tomjoad's post

This post has been edited by clarevoyant.: 17 November 2024 - 10:03 PM

[azul]

Mr ?C? go to bed, go directly to bed, do not pass the fridge or the drinks cabinet

[clarevoyant.]

azul, on 17 November 2024 - 10:11 PM, said:

Mr ?C? go to bed, go directly to bed, do not pass the fridge or the drinks cabinet

Not everyone is under a 10pm curfew

[sophocles]

Zigsuk, on 17 November 2024 - 07:24 PM, said:

Glad to see some more positive balanced realistic posts after the barrage of doom and gloom earlier in the thread. I think automatic promotion is virtually impossible even now, but the play offs are always possible as long as we keep in touch. Of course it will be disappointing if we don't make the play offs, but didn't we finish eighth in Cook's first season here before winning the title the following year?

A couple more points - as someone mentioned we will not attract a better manager than Cook. Yes he can be stubborn and hardly anyone (including me) agrees with his persistence in playing Naylor out of position, and as someone also said there must be a reason that for such a successful manager Cook has worked almost exclusively in the lower leagues - I have often wondered why someone so successful hasn't plied his trade in the championship or even higher - maybe now we know. However I think it would be devasting if he were to leave and have faith that he can steer us back on course.
The other point is the bookies got it horribly wrong making us pre season title favourites, as I feared they would. It is always difficult to predict the lower two divisions and the bookies are often wrong here, whereas they tend to get it right higher up the pyramid.
I thought mid table or play offs at best, at present I seem to have got it right. Of course I hope I'm wrong and we can finish higher. However even now it would take a run of wins akin to Donny's last season to get anywhere near automatic. One thing is certain we need to cut out the draws. I would take a couple of defeats in ten games if we could win the other eight rather than throw points away going on an unbeaten but drawing sequence.

Why on earth is automatic promotion 'virtually impossible'? We are only 6 points behind with over half the season still left. Yes, we are encountering a sticky patch, but there is plenty of time left to get through it and finish in the top three.

[Osborne again]

sophocles, on 18 November 2024 - 12:12 AM, said:

Why on earth is automatic promotion 'virtually impossible'? We are only 6 points behind with over half the season still left. Yes, we are encountering a sticky patch, but there is plenty of time left to get through it and finish in the top three.

Yeah, I bet the Man City fans will have given up the title too. As you rightly say, we're going through a rough patch, but we'll get there. There's plenty to play for,that's for sure.

[Bonnyman]

Certainly not even a notion of giving up on promotion, not even started a game with Grigg and Madden in the starting eleven yet( not sure why) but if we can hang in there till January then Cook may try to get new players in, it?s not really his style to do it that way but he may if the front 4 have not broken clear

Things he has to do though are end the Naylor experiment ( I?d be the first to say he looked a gem in that position but we just have not got the personnel at the moment not to have him central, Banks has to be dropped from the defensive midfield position , I like Banks but he isn?t a good enough athlete in that position, I?d say this will be his last season.
There are also a few players doing nothing for the cause, Jacob?s ( yes I?m banging on bought him again) is a wage burden, been pathetic this season, a bad signing for a player who has played at a higher level , looks bone idol to me, plays like he is entitled.

[PontePete]

Bonnyman, on 18 November 2024 - 06:29 AM, said:

Certainly not even a notion of giving up on promotion, not even started a game with Grigg and Madden in the starting eleven yet( not sure why) but if we can hang in there till January then Cook may try to get new players in, it?s not really his style to do it that way but he may if the front 4 have not broken clear

Things he has to do though are end the Naylor experiment ( I?d be the first to say he looked a gem in that position but we just have not got the personnel at the moment not to have him central, Banks has to be dropped from the defensive midfield position , I like Banks but he isn?t a good enough athlete in that position, I?d say this will be his last season.
There are also a few players doing nothing for the cause, Jacob?s ( yes I?m banging on bought him again) is a wage burden, been pathetic this season, a bad signing for a player who has played at a higher level , looks bone idol to me, plays like he is entitled.

I could be wrong but I was watching Madden?s body language at full time and he looked extremely wazzed off. Probably didn?t envisage when he signed that he?d be bench warming more often than not and having to wait until 75 minutes to get on, particularly when the starting 11 have created nine tenths of knack all up to that point for the second Saturday in a row.

[Looker-on]

Did anything else happen at the end of the game that might have left Madden looking a bit drunk off?

[JonB]

PontePete, on 18 November 2024 - 08:47 AM, said:

I could be wrong but I was watching Madden?s body language at full time and he looked extremely wazzed off. Probably didn?t envisage when he signed that he?d be bench warming more often than not and having to wait until 75 minutes to get on, particularly when the starting 11 have created nine tenths of knack all up to that point for the second Saturday in a row.

Since Madden came back from injury he's started 5 times to Griggs 6 times so appearance wise its a pretty even split between the two of them.

[Phil V 72]

Bonnyman, on 18 November 2024 - 06:29 AM, said:

Certainly not even a notion of giving up on promotion, not even started a game with Grigg and Madden in the starting eleven yet( not sure why) but if we can hang in there till January then Cook may try to get new players in, it?s not really his style to do it that way but he may if the front 4 have not broken clear

Things he has to do though are end the Naylor experiment ( I?d be the first to say he looked a gem in that position but we just have not got the personnel at the moment not to have him central, Banks has to be dropped from the defensive midfield position , I like Banks but he isn?t a good enough athlete in that position, I?d say this will be his last season.
There are also a few players doing nothing for the cause, Jacob?s ( yes I?m banging on bought him again) is a wage burden, been pathetic this season, a bad signing for a player who has played at a higher level , looks bone idol to me, plays like he is entitled.

Think the rotation of Grigg and Madden is due to the fact that we don?t have a backup striker , so they are sharing the lone striker workload. If we can get a credible replacement No 9 in, in January then we may start to see more of them together, with Madden dropping back a little.

Think Naylor playing at the back is a ?needs must? situation. I would also rather see him in midfield but Naylor still drives a lot of play down our right hand side from the back which probably feeds in to Cook?s desire to play on the front foot. Sadly for some of the centre backs we have I think it probably shows he doesn?t see them as part of our progression long term.

[danblue]

Phil V 72, on 18 November 2024 - 10:09 AM, said:

Think the rotation of Grigg and Madden is due to the fact that we don?t have a backup striker , so they are sharing the lone striker workload. If we can get a credible replacement No 9 in, in January then we may start to see more of them together, with Madden dropping back a little.

Think Naylor playing at the back is a ?needs must? situation. I would also rather see him in midfield but Naylor still drives a lot of play down our right hand side from the back which probably feeds in to Cook?s desire to play on the front foot. Sadly for some of the centre backs we have I think it probably shows he doesn?t see them as part of our progression long term.

Cook has more or less said this in previous interviews with his 'levels' statements

[sophocles]

I think the Fleck situation is a major negative factor affecting our (stuttering) progress currently. Passing opposing teams to death worked last season as opponents eventually tired as we made them chase from side to side for an hour before striking as they tired. Most of our opponents this season are fitter, stronger and faster, so they don't get tired and fade out of the game. Opponents in this League are strong and fit enough to let us have 70% possession without creating more than one or two chances, then break so quickly and powerfully that they slice straight through us. As many have pointed out, Naylor in midfield would help to counter that, especially if he was paired with a fully fit Fleck, which could well have been PC's intention. I'm just hoping that we get our stronger defenders such as Dunkley, Gordon, Araujo etc back soon so that Naylor and Fleck can strengthen midfield and Mandeville can be available to play in the more attacking position that utilises his skills properly. I don't think the side that PC can field at the moment is anything like the one he wants to put out, and it shows when opposing teams pressurise us with pace and strength. We really need more of the squad to be available very soon.

[Westbars Spireite]

It's clear that our ability to tire teams out chasing the ball has been nullified due to the increased athleticism and fitness levels of the opposition. There's no easy fix. We just need to do what we do quicker and better and with the right players on the pitch for longest.

This post has been edited by Westbars Spireite: 18 November 2024 - 11:25 AM

[60s 70s Spireite]

Westbars Spireite, on 18 November 2024 - 11:25 AM, said:

It's clear that our ability to tire teams out chasing the ball has been nullified due to the increased athleticism and fitness levels of the opposition. There's no easy fix. We just need to do what we do quicker and better and with the right players on the pitch for longest.

There?s also the fact that five subs are available from seven, as opposed to three from five. Defenders tiring? Bring on a fresh one.

[Bonnyman]

sophocles, on 18 November 2024 - 10:50 AM, said:

I think the Fleck situation is a major negative factor affecting our (stuttering) progress currently. Passing opposing teams to death worked last season as opponents eventually tired as we made them chase from side to side for an hour before striking as they tired. Most of our opponents this season are fitter, stronger and faster, so they don't get tired and fade out of the game. Opponents in this League are strong and fit enough to let us have 70% possession without creating more than one or two chances, then break so quickly and powerfully that they slice straight through us. As many have pointed out, Naylor in midfield would help to counter that, especially if he was paired with a fully fit Fleck, which could well have been PC's intention. I'm just hoping that we get our stronger defenders such as Dunkley, Gordon, Araujo etc back soon so that Naylor and Fleck can strengthen midfield and Mandeville can be available to play in the more attacking position that utilises his skills properly. I don't think the side that PC can field at the moment is anything like the one he wants to put out, and it shows when opposing teams pressurise us with pace and strength. We really need more of the squad to be available very soon.

Fleck won?t even play he looks an absolute raspberry ripple