[Waller is my hero]

Just up for thoughts!!

So far this season (and i know it's still early), but we are averaging close to 9,000 for every home game. With a home fanbase growing all the time.
Today v County, we will have 9,000 home fans in the ground

At some point (if we continue the momentum under Cookie), it will come down to supply versus demand at games & will only force one way...higher ticket prices!

When do we think there will be a breaking point of...'right, do we expand areas of the ground?'

An interesting example is Bournemouth - Premier league..Average home attendance is 11,224 - they haven't expanded the ground, but supply v demand is their attractive source of income (better teams i know)

Just a topic i thought maybe interesting to discuss going forward

[Benno Spire]

Waller is my hero, on 12 October 2024 - 09:37 AM, said:

Just up for thoughts!!

So far this season (and i know it's still early), but we are averaging close to 9,000 for every home game. With a home fanbase growing all the time.
Today v County, we will have 9,000 home fans in the ground

At some point (if we continue the momentum under Cookie), it will come down to supply versus demand at games & will only force one way...higher ticket prices!

When do we think there will be a breaking point of...'right, do we expand areas of the ground?'

An interesting example is Bournemouth - Premier league..Average home attendance is 11,224 - they haven't expanded the ground, but supply v demand is their attractive source of income (better teams i know)

Just a topic i thought maybe interesting to discuss going forward

Priority at the moment should be investment in the team, any building work to make the ground bigger should only be done when we are selling out every week or ready for when we get promoted to the championship

[s42blue]

Benno Spire, on 12 October 2024 - 09:40 AM, said:

when we get promoted to the championship

Love it. (Wish I was that confident! 😂)

[SocraticCFC]

Waller is my hero, on 12 October 2024 - 09:37 AM, said:

Just up for thoughts!!

So far this season (and i know it's still early), but we are averaging close to 9,000 for every home game. With a home fanbase growing all the time.
Today v County, we will have 9,000 home fans in the ground

At some point (if we continue the momentum under Cookie), it will come down to supply versus demand at games & will only force one way...higher ticket prices!

When do we think there will be a breaking point of...'right, do we expand areas of the ground?'

An interesting example is Bournemouth - Premier league..Average home attendance is 11,224 - they haven't expanded the ground, but supply v demand is their attractive source of income (better teams i know)

Just a topic i thought maybe interesting to discuss going forward

I think Bournemouth used to have three sides - only - from memory
The question of 'growth' is always an interesting one. Do you expand before you reach the promised land or after you've arrived there?

[Walton Spireite]

I think the only time we would potentially expand the ground would if we have a sustained spell in the Championship. That is how far away it is.

[DIFH]

Waller is my hero, on 12 October 2024 - 09:37 AM, said:

Just up for thoughts!!

So far this season (and i know it's still early), but we are averaging close to 9,000 for every home game. With a home fanbase growing all the time.
Today v County, we will have 9,000 home fans in the ground

At some point (if we continue the momentum under Cookie), it will come down to supply versus demand at games & will only force one way...higher ticket prices!

When do we think there will be a breaking point of...'right, do we expand areas of the ground?'

An interesting example is Bournemouth - Premier league..Average home attendance is 11,224 - they haven't expanded the ground, but supply v demand is their attractive source of income (better teams i know)

Just a topic i thought maybe interesting to discuss going forward

They ARE having a new ground.

Benno Spire, on 12 October 2024 - 09:40 AM, said:

Priority at the moment should be investment in the team, any building work to make the ground bigger should only be done when we are selling out every week or ready for when we get promoted to the championship

Spot on Benno, enough said.

Walton Spireite, on 12 October 2024 - 10:25 AM, said:

I think the only time we would potentially expand the ground would if we have a sustained spell in the Championship. That is how far away it is.

You might have a bit of a clue by then lol.

[Bald magician]

Amazing crowd today. We can be very proud

[Derbysbirnnbred]

We all know has soon as we start losing a few games the crowds we go down and get around the normal 5,6 thousand .
So no need to expand the ground
Have a good fa cup run and finish top end of the league will be good for us .
Then Mr Kirk might give cooky some spending money for players .

[Search & Destroy]

Maccblue, on 12 October 2024 - 04:08 PM, said:

We all know has soon as we start losing a few games the crowds we go down and get around the normal 5,6 thousand .
So no need to expand the ground
Have a good fa cup run and finish top end of the league will be good for us .
Then Mr Kirk might give cooky some spending money for players .

It will never be less than 5500 even if we lose every game this season

[RN Blue]

SocraticCFC, on 12 October 2024 - 10:22 AM, said:

I think Bournemouth used to have three sides - only - from memory
The question of 'growth' is always an interesting one. Do you expand before you reach the promised land or after you've arrived there?

They had 4 sides in the 90s

[dim view]

Benno Spire, on 12 October 2024 - 09:40 AM, said:

Priority at the moment should be investment in the team, any building work to make the ground bigger should only be done when we are selling out every week or ready for when we get promoted to the championship

Back in the day, Barrie Hubbard had a rule of thumb to work out how much approximate income every home crowd figure would generate. Summat like take the attendance, subtract number of season tickets, multiply by 'x'.

I wonder if the Kirks play the same game?
I'd really like to know whether these record attendances are generating record takings, or are they diluted by record numbers of free/discounted tickets?

[60s 70s Spireite]

dim view, on 12 October 2024 - 05:10 PM, said:

Back in the day, Barrie Hubbard had a rule of thumb to work out how much approximate income every home crowd figure would generate. Summat like take the attendance, subtract number of season tickets, multiply by 'x'.

I wonder if the Kirks play the same game?
I'd really like to know whether these record attendances are generating record takings, or are they diluted by record numbers of free/discounted tickets?

I am absolutely sure they would. Just as I am sure they will not be divulging such detail to we fans.

[Westbars Spireite]

They'll know everything to the penny the following week. I'd be staggered if not.

[dim view]

60s 70s Spireite, on 12 October 2024 - 05:34 PM, said:

I am absolutely sure they would. Just as I am sure they will not be divulging such detail to we fans.

Ha ha. I'm just thinking that if my guess at Barrie's formula is right, for some matches he'd be multiplying a negative number by 'x'.

Some folk sat near me think that crowd income will come nowhere near covering wage costs. Some kind of acknowledgement that the support from the whole community is making a real difference would be welcome.

[Westbars Spireite]

dim view, on 12 October 2024 - 05:54 PM, said:

Ha ha. I'm just thinking that if my guess at Barrie's formula is right, for some matches he'd be multiplying a negative number by 'x'.

Some folk sat near me think that crowd income will come nowhere near covering wage costs. Some kind of acknowledgement that the support from the whole community is making a real difference would be welcome.

I don't think ticket/gate income will cover the wage costs at any club.

This post has been edited by Westbars Spireite: 13 October 2024 - 05:17 AM

[martatcross]

Westbars Spireite, on 13 October 2024 - 05:17 AM, said:

I don't think ticket/gate income will cover the wage costs at any club.

Don't the sustainability rules ensure they do ?

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Maccblue, on 12 October 2024 - 04:08 PM, said:

We all know has soon as we start losing a few games the crowds we go down and get around the normal 5,6 thousand .
So no need to expand the ground
Have a good fa cup run and finish top end of the league will be good for us .
Then Mr Kirk might give cooky some spending money for players .

"Normal 5, 6 thou".

"Normal".

Mid table L2.

Those of us who remember a Saltergate where five or six grand was only seen when a Prem' outfit visited, that's quite some achievement...

[azul]

martatcross, on 13 October 2024 - 08:23 AM, said:

Don't the sustainability rules ensure they do ?

Turnover does which can be significantly more than just ticket/gate money

This post has been edited by azul: 13 October 2024 - 09:26 AM

[ronpowellsbutler]

[quote name='RN Blue' timestamp='1728751390' post='1846142']
They had 4 sides


Think the memory might be confusing with when they changed the ground round.
It used to be 90 degrees to where it is now.

[trickytrevsfanclub]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 13 October 2024 - 08:26 AM, said:

"Normal 5, 6 thou".

"Normal".

Mid table L2.

Those of us who remember a Saltergate where five or six grand was only seen when a Prem' outfit visited, that's quite some achievement...

Exactly. Been to plenty of below 2000 attendances at Saltergate.