[Spireite93]

Search & Destroy, on 18 October 2024 - 07:54 AM, said:

Tried by a jury, men, women, old, young, black, white

All evidence heard over about 4 days

Not Guilty

However much some don?t want to accept it and how it reflects on the Trust those are the absolute facts

To have your career which was on a steep upward trajectory stolen away on the basis of a false allegation must be shattering

Last sentence there sums the whole thing up, a man with a promising career ahead of him, but not mature enough to deal with the responsibility of it, allowing himself to be put in a situation where any such media coverage on such an incident be possible.

Found Not Guilty but clear he was not ready for such a high profile position under such scrutiny, as well as his alleged unacceptable touchline behaviour and blatant disregard for budgets.

Hope he manages to salvage something of a career wherever it may be, but needs to grow up if he's to make a real shot of it

[frearsghost]

The Scottish judiciary system has three verdicts that offers greater clarification to the outcome of a trial. These are guilty, not guilty and not proven.

[Rudeboy spireite]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 17 October 2024 - 04:33 PM, said:

Before you dislocate your shoulder smugly patting yourself on the back, let's remember what really happened, shall we?

Chesterfield Football Club took entirely appropriate action when confronted by a serious allegation. In fact courageous action, given the backing Rowe had received and it's league position at the time.

However rather than adopting the measured and moral approach of most you chose to sneer. To scorn. To accuse the Trust of being that silly made up word 'woak'.

And not because of any considered legalistic arguments, but a sexist 'men will be men and women should just get on with it' one.

Which quickly descended into barely disguised victim blaming.

That jeering only continued when they performed the major coup of returning Paul Cook to Sheffield Road. His moves mocked. His teams taunted. The Club's failings celebrated.

Then even when the authorities vindicated Town's decision by charging Rowe, your snide derision remained relentless. A case brought by officials fully informed of it's details dismissed by childish sarcasm.

Well we'll never know exactly what happened between Rowe and the masseur. Who told the truth and who lied. But we do know he was entrusted with a hugely important position in football terms, and a much more important one in family terms.

Yet chose to place his own sexual satisfaction before both.

So "apology"?

I'd say you owe everyone associated with CFC a long and grovelling one...

Eloquently put

[spireitenag]

100% This.

[HaslandBlue58]

This thread was guaranteed to bring out the dinosaurs,and the usual suspects are not disappointing are they,roll on the 19th.century for certain people.

[Blue5]

DerbySpireite59, on 07 October 2024 - 09:09 PM, said:

"Of course the complainant has also had to endure the ridiculous length of time".
Has she?

Your post above obviously upset a few people given its rating, even to the extent that I thought that perhaps another mask had slipped. Haslandblue58 picked up on it here (https://www.thecfss....dpost&p=1845219).

You have posted in the past with such authority on the subject of the recruitment of Rowe including the outcome of due diligence checks, here (https://www.thecfss....dpost&p=1751065) and here (https://www.thecfss....dpost&p=1763296), I wondered whether or not your position is more than that of a mere fan?

[Goku]

I'm gonna try and make sure I never get on the wrong side of Blue5

[Westbars Spireite]

There are one or two posting here who are certainly either pretending to be a fan or are more than a fan.

[Phil V 72]

JonB, on 18 October 2024 - 08:55 AM, said:

Not guilty is one thing but its similar to the Ched Evans stuff to me, might not have been convicted of stuff but plenty came out that makes both fans and club officials think they dont want that sort of person around their club. Not sure Rowe will be jumping into any National League or higher jobs any time soon.

Yes, that?s a more eloquent statement of the point I was making. I can?t see how any club would touch him now.

[Phil V 72]

Spireite93, on 18 October 2024 - 09:44 AM, said:

Last sentence there sums the whole thing up, a man with a promising career ahead of him, but not mature enough to deal with the responsibility of it, allowing himself to be put in a situation where any such media coverage on such an incident be possible.

Found Not Guilty but clear he was not ready for such a high profile position under such scrutiny, as well as his alleged unacceptable touchline behaviour and blatant disregard for budgets.

Hope he manages to salvage something of a career wherever it may be, but needs to grow up if he's to make a real shot of it

His touchline behaviour would be seriously put to the test2 with a large crowd chanting the ?on a bender? Song and the comments in his ear from behind the dug outs.

This post has been edited by Phil V 72: 18 October 2024 - 11:55 AM

[Search & Destroy]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 18 October 2024 - 09:08 AM, said:

But he was guilty.

Of putting an admitted act before his partner, family and position.

And let's not forget Fyld too terminated his employment based upon available evidence.

Whilst also remembering your entire anti Town sneer fest was based upon nothing more than small minded bigotry rather than any legal arguments.

I do take one positive from this, though - a woman's word was taken seriously. Which, in a country where rape prosecutions hit all time lows over the last few years, is a step on the right direction...

?he would be a lovely catch, I?m already envisaging you as the new Posh and Becks? and ?I have high hopes?, while the complainant replied included ?ha, ha, ha, he could be a total s**g? and ?let?s play this easy, he might even be married?.



Cases like this are exactly why women's word are not taken seriously

This post has been edited by Search & Destroy: 18 October 2024 - 12:13 PM

[Westbars Spireite]

She wasn't wrong, he is.

[Goku]

Search & Destroy, on 18 October 2024 - 12:11 PM, said:

?he would be a lovely catch, I?m already envisaging you as the new Posh and Becks? and ?I have high hopes?, while the complainant replied included ?ha, ha, ha, he could be a total s**g? and ?let?s play this easy, he might even be married?.

Cases like this are exactly why women's word are not taken seriously

Your logic is infallible.

[calvin plummers socks]

Search & Destroy, on 18 October 2024 - 12:11 PM, said:

?he would be a lovely catch, I?m already envisaging you as the new Posh and Becks? and ?I have high hopes?, while the complainant replied included ?ha, ha, ha, he could be a total s**g? and ?let?s play this easy, he might even be married?.



Cases like this are exactly why women's word are not taken seriously

Why do you hate women so much?

[warfey is a spireite]

Westbars Spireite, on 18 October 2024 - 11:02 AM, said:

There are one or two posting here who are certainly either pretending to be a fan or are more than a fan.

Maybe a ******?

[Spireite93]

Search & Destroy, on 18 October 2024 - 12:11 PM, said:

?he would be a lovely catch, I?m already envisaging you as the new Posh and Becks? and ?I have high hopes?, while the complainant replied included ?ha, ha, ha, he could be a total s**g? and ?let?s play this easy, he might even be married?.



Cases like this are exactly why women's word are not taken seriously

You're picking out 2 quotes from a trial that took 4 full days.

Quotes from a conversation that was probably much longer and for all we know included excitement at the fact that a small local business was about to welcome possibly their highest profile client, that a professional football manager of the local team.

These comments she and her friend made probably had no bearing on the case and are no worse than anything any of us say between friends. What did have a bearing is there was absolutely no evidence of what occurred within that room, the only two people who know were he and she, and therefore the case was a he said she said, and without substantial evidence, no person should be found guilty.

Only those two know what happened and he now has a not guilty verdict, but possibly a tarnished name, which is terrible if he did nothing wrong But what about her? If something did happen but there was no evidence what affect on her career now, has she continued working, can she continue working?

It's not mine, or your place to comment on whose right or wrong, but if you feel so strongly about it, go see JR for a cuppa and help him with his job search and once he finds a club, go follow them instead!

[essexspireman]

Spireite93, on 18 October 2024 - 12:54 PM, said:

You're picking out 2 quotes from a trial that took 4 full days.

Quotes from a conversation that was probably much longer and for all we know included excitement at the fact that a small local business was about to welcome possibly their highest profile client, that a professional football manager of the local team.

These comments she and her friend made probably had no bearing on the case and are no worse than anything any of us say between friends. What did have a bearing is there was absolutely no evidence of what occurred within that room, the only two people who know were he and she, and therefore the case was a he said she said, and without substantial evidence, no person should be found guilty.

Only those two know what happened and he now has a not guilty verdict, but possibly a tarnished name, which is terrible if he did nothing wrong But what about her? If something did happen but there was no evidence what affect on her career now, has she continued working, can she continue working?

It's not mine, or your place to comment on whose right or wrong, but if you feel so strongly about it, go see JR for a cuppa and help him with his job search and once he finds a club, go follow them instead!

why would the CPS charge him without evidence?

[dart in the crossbar]

Search & Destroy, on 18 October 2024 - 12:11 PM, said:

?he would be a lovely catch, I?m already envisaging you as the new Posh and Becks? and ?I have high hopes?, while the complainant replied included ?ha, ha, ha, he could be a total s**g? and ?let?s play this easy, he might even be married?.



Cases like this are exactly why women's word are not taken seriously

'aha!'

[DIFH]

HaslandBlue58, on 18 October 2024 - 10:30 AM, said:

This thread was guaranteed to bring out the dinosaurs,and the usual suspects are not disappointing are they,roll on the 19th.century for certain people.

Think very carefully what you say.

[Benno Spire]

This thread needs closing so we can all move on