[danblue]

At some point we have to get Naylor back into midfield and re introduce Grimes back into the team.
Boot

Tanton Grimes Dunkley Gordon

Mandeville Naylor Fleck

Dobra DJ/Banks

Berry

With a few on there who are interchangeable, we can swap it about a bit during the match.
*DJ or Banks on line up

This post has been edited by danblue: 16 September 2024 - 11:09 AM

[Lincs Spireite]

Here's hoping...

Boot

Gordon , Grimes , Dunkley , Tanton

Naylor , Fleck

Mandy , Dobs , Berry

Madden

[Westbars Spireite]

I think Madden is more likely to start than Fleck and I definitely don't see a formation change as you seem to be suggesting.

[rodney]

danblue, on 16 September 2024 - 11:08 AM, said:

At some point we have to get Naylor back into midfield and re introduce Grimes back into the team.
Boot

Tanton Grimes Dunkley Gordon

Mandeville Naylor Fleck

Dobra DJ/Banks

Berry

With a few on there who are interchangeable, we can swap it about a bit during the match.
*DJ or Banks on line up

No Markanday?! And a change in formation.

[Westbars Spireite]

My predicted side;

Boot

Tanton
Naylor
Dunkley
Gordon

Oldaker
Banks

Markanday
Dobra
Berry

Madden

[martatcross]

Westbars Spireite, on 16 September 2024 - 11:21 AM, said:

My predicted side;

Boot

Tanton
Naylor
Dunkley
Gordon

Oldaker
Banks

Markanday
Dobra
Berry

Madden

Maybe Drummond not sure Madden will be up to speed ?

[Goku]

Assuming Madden and Fleck aren't ready to start:

Boot
Tanton-Dunkley-Araujo-Gordon
Naylor-Oldaker
Markandy-Dobra-Berry
Drummond

• Araujo plays ahead of Grimes due to his superior passing as we'll need to take risks building from the back as we'll have most of the ball and I expect Cheltenham to sit in. Teams always sit off Grimes and allow him time with the ball because he's identified as the player least comfortable making successful passes, so play Araujo instead and get somebody in who can play through the lines more comfortably.
  
• Naylor goes back into midfield, I think everyone wants this. Whilst he is dangerous attacking set pieces for us, teams are targeting his lack of typical centre half strength and power by sticking their target man on him and he's also uncomfortable defending 1vs1 on the right side of our box against widemen/strikers who cut inside against him, he shows them inside instead of down the line. Time for him to go back to doing what he does best, being a box-to-box mid. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Cook keeps him at CB, though, as he looks to continue dominating games with Banks and Oldaker in midfield.
  
• Oldaker returns to CM, he's had a good season so far and deserves to retain his place in the Starting XI, at least until Fleck is fully fit.
  
• You could make a case for Mandeville starting in Markanday's place, I think most would prefer that and Markanday had a shocker against Vale (but who didn't) but he's also shown he can be very dangerous vs Crewe, Gillingham and Grimsby, plus is more agile which we'll need against teams we're trying to break down at home.
  
• Honestly don't know what to do about the striker situation, Drummond looks like he has something but isn't quite ready yet and I think he'd struggle against a team sitting deep. There's the argument to start Berry up top but I think we'd miss him on the left. I suppose you could go Berry up top, move Dobra to the left and put Jacobs in the hole or put Markanday on the left (I assume he can play there?) and bring Mandeville in on the right. It's tricky, we currently have nobody fit who can stand up to big strong centre halves so maybe even just play without a striker and play 4 attacking mids running from deep and total football it.

Edit: I wonder if Madden is due to start after reading CFC91's post in another thread

This post has been edited by Goku: 16 September 2024 - 12:02 PM

[Westbars Spireite]

I would move Naylor in for Banks and play Araujo personally but don?t think he will.

[azul]

Goku, on 16 September 2024 - 11:34 AM, said:

Assuming Madden and Fleck aren't ready to start:

Boot
Tanton-Dunkley-Araujo-Gordon
Naylor-Oldaker
Markandy-Dobra-Berry
Drummond

• Araujo plays ahead of Grimes due to his superior passing as we'll need to take risks building from the back as we'll have most of the ball and I expect Cheltenham to sit in. Teams always sit off Grimes and allow him time with the ball because he's identified as the player least comfortable making successful passes, so play Araujo instead and get somebody in who can play through the lines more comfortably.
  
• Naylor goes back into midfield, I think everyone wants this. Whilst he is dangerous attacking set pieces for us, teams are targeting his lack of typical centre half strength and power by sticking their target man on him and he's also uncomfortable defending 1vs1 on the right side of our box against widemen/strikers who cut inside against him, he shows them inside instead of down the line. Time for him to go back to doing what he does best, being a box-to-box mid. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Cook keeps him at CB, though, as he looks to continue dominating games with Banks and Oldaker in midfield.
  
• Oldaker returns to CM, he's had a good season so far and deserves to retain his place in the Starting XI, at least until Fleck is fully fit.
  
• You could make a case for Mandeville starting in Markanday's place, I think most would prefer that and Markanday had a shocker against Vale (but who didn't) but he's also shown he can be very dangerous vs Crewe, Gillingham and Grimsby, plus is more agile which we'll need against teams we're trying to break down at home.
  
• Honestly don't know what to do about the striker situation, Drummond looks like he has something but isn't quite ready yet and I think he'd struggle against a team sitting deep. There's the argument to start Berry up top but I think we'd miss him on the left. I suppose you could go Berry up top, move Dobra to the left and put Jacobs in the hole or put Markanday on the left (I assume he can play there?) and bring Mandeville in on the right. It's tricky, we currently have nobody fit who can stand up to big strong centre halves so maybe even just play without a striker and play 4 attacking mids running from deep and total football it.

Edit: I wonder if Madden is due to start after reading CFC91's post in another thread

Where has this optimism regarding Madden come from. Has he been spotted in full training?

[dim view]

Goku, on 16 September 2024 - 11:34 AM, said:

Assuming Madden and Fleck aren't ready to start:

Boot
Tanton-Dunkley-Araujo-Gordon
Naylor-Oldaker
Markandy-Dobra-Berry
Drummond

[list]

[*]Araujo plays ahead of Grimes due to his superior passing as we'll need to take risks building from the back as we'll have most of the ball and I expect Cheltenham to sit in. Teams always sit off Grimes and allow him time with the ball because he's identified as the player least comfortable making successful passes, so play Araujo instead and get somebody in who can play through the lines more comfortably. ..........

I think you are forgetting Grimes's credentials as a skipper. He is underrated in this respect, and I certainly don't think Naylor cuts the mustard.

[Exharboroughspireite]

Goku, on 16 September 2024 - 11:34 AM, said:

Assuming Madden and Fleck aren't ready to start:

Boot
Tanton-Dunkley-Araujo-Gordon
Naylor-Oldaker
Markandy-Dobra-Berry
Drummond

• Araujo plays ahead of Grimes due to his superior passing as we'll need to take risks building from the back as we'll have most of the ball and I expect Cheltenham to sit in. Teams always sit off Grimes and allow him time with the ball because he's identified as the player least comfortable making successful passes, so play Araujo instead and get somebody in who can play through the lines more comfortably.
  
• Naylor goes back into midfield, I think everyone wants this. Whilst he is dangerous attacking set pieces for us, teams are targeting his lack of typical centre half strength and power by sticking their target man on him and he's also uncomfortable defending 1vs1 on the right side of our box against widemen/strikers who cut inside against him, he shows them inside instead of down the line. Time for him to go back to doing what he does best, being a box-to-box mid. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Cook keeps him at CB, though, as he looks to continue dominating games with Banks and Oldaker in midfield.
  
• Oldaker returns to CM, he's had a good season so far and deserves to retain his place in the Starting XI, at least until Fleck is fully fit.
  
• You could make a case for Mandeville starting in Markanday's place, I think most would prefer that and Markanday had a shocker against Vale (but who didn't) but he's also shown he can be very dangerous vs Crewe, Gillingham and Grimsby, plus is more agile which we'll need against teams we're trying to break down at home.
  
• Honestly don't know what to do about the striker situation, Drummond looks like he has something but isn't quite ready yet and I think he'd struggle against a team sitting deep. There's the argument to start Berry up top but I think we'd miss him on the left. I suppose you could go Berry up top, move Dobra to the left and put Jacobs in the hole or put Markanday on the left (I assume he can play there?) and bring Mandeville in on the right. It's tricky, we currently have nobody fit who can stand up to big strong centre halves so maybe even just play without a striker and play 4 attacking mids running from deep and total football it.

Edit: I wonder if Madden is due to start after reading CFC91's post in another thread

I agree with most of that apart from Berry up top as Drummond hasnt shown anything yet and I would play Mandeville on the wing to accomodate Berry's shift.

[Osborne again]

Westbars Spireite, on 16 September 2024 - 12:26 PM, said:

I would move Naylor in for Banks and play Araujo personally but don?t think he will.

I'd certainly like to see Naylor back in midfield.

[Goku]

dim view, on 16 September 2024 - 12:33 PM, said:

I think you are forgetting Grimes's credentials as a skipper. He is underrated in this respect, and I certainly don't think Naylor cuts the mustard.

Doesn't matter who the captain is, we have Grimes/Dunkley/Naylor who could all be captains, Dunkley best of the bunch for communication imo. Not trying to sh** on Grimes here who is obviously a capable defender but Araujo looks really good to me, I want to see his passing into midfield and I think the best arena to debut that talent for a full 90 is at home against a side we're expected to have superior possession against.

This post has been edited by Goku: 16 September 2024 - 12:43 PM

[Westbars Spireite]

Is Araujo a better player than Grimes? It?s not a criticism of JG to suggest he is and will get better.

[dim view]

Westbars Spireite, on 16 September 2024 - 12:51 PM, said:

Is Araujo a better player than Grimes? It?s not a criticism of JG to suggest he is and will get better.

Well if he keeps up his current form then yes he is. I think my worry is that a replacement for Grimes wouldn't have been at the top of my wish list and I'm a bit alarmed at the thought that neither might be with us next season cos Grimes, by his own admission, gets grumpy when he's not playing.

[dtp]

Goku, on 16 September 2024 - 11:34 AM, said:

Assuming Madden and Fleck aren't ready to start:

Boot
Tanton-Dunkley-Araujo-Gordon
Naylor-Oldaker
Markandy-Dobra-Berry
Drummond

• Araujo plays ahead of Grimes due to his superior passing as we'll need to take risks building from the back as we'll have most of the ball and I expect Cheltenham to sit in. Teams always sit off Grimes and allow him time with the ball because he's identified as the player least comfortable making successful passes, so play Araujo instead and get somebody in who can play through the lines more comfortably.
  
• Naylor goes back into midfield, I think everyone wants this. Whilst he is dangerous attacking set pieces for us, teams are targeting his lack of typical centre half strength and power by sticking their target man on him and he's also uncomfortable defending 1vs1 on the right side of our box against widemen/strikers who cut inside against him, he shows them inside instead of down the line. Time for him to go back to doing what he does best, being a box-to-box mid. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Cook keeps him at CB, though, as he looks to continue dominating games with Banks and Oldaker in midfield.
  
• Oldaker returns to CM, he's had a good season so far and deserves to retain his place in the Starting XI, at least until Fleck is fully fit.
  
• You could make a case for Mandeville starting in Markanday's place, I think most would prefer that and Markanday had a shocker against Vale (but who didn't) but he's also shown he can be very dangerous vs Crewe, Gillingham and Grimsby, plus is more agile which we'll need against teams we're trying to break down at home.
  
• Honestly don't know what to do about the striker situation, Drummond looks like he has something but isn't quite ready yet and I think he'd struggle against a team sitting deep. There's the argument to start Berry up top but I think we'd miss him on the left. I suppose you could go Berry up top, move Dobra to the left and put Jacobs in the hole or put Markanday on the left (I assume he can play there?) and bring Mandeville in on the right. It's tricky, we currently have nobody fit who can stand up to big strong centre halves so maybe even just play without a striker and play 4 attacking mids running from deep and total football it.

Edit: I wonder if Madden is due to start after reading CFC91's post in another thread

I quite like your line-up but would consider playing Mandeville on the right and Markanday instead of Drummond.

No doubt there will be quite a bit of experimentation going on in training this week.

[DIFH]

azul, on 16 September 2024 - 12:32 PM, said:

Where has this optimism regarding Madden come from. Has he been spotted in full training?

Has anyone said Grigg is out of the reckoning ?

[JonB]

DIFH, on 16 September 2024 - 02:11 PM, said:

Has anyone said Grigg is out of the reckoning ?

Webb has suggested in his post match interview at best its ligaments which is a couple of weeks out so unlikely he'll be available on Saturday.

[ralspireite1866]

Goku, on 16 September 2024 - 11:34 AM, said:

Assuming Madden and Fleck aren't ready to start:

Boot
Tanton-Dunkley-Araujo-Gordon
Naylor-Oldaker
Markandy-Dobra-Berry
Drummond

• Araujo plays ahead of Grimes due to his superior passing as we'll need to take risks building from the back as we'll have most of the ball and I expect Cheltenham to sit in. Teams always sit off Grimes and allow him time with the ball because he's identified as the player least comfortable making successful passes, so play Araujo instead and get somebody in who can play through the lines more comfortably.
  
• Naylor goes back into midfield, I think everyone wants this. Whilst he is dangerous attacking set pieces for us, teams are targeting his lack of typical centre half strength and power by sticking their target man on him and he's also uncomfortable defending 1vs1 on the right side of our box against widemen/strikers who cut inside against him, he shows them inside instead of down the line. Time for him to go back to doing what he does best, being a box-to-box mid. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Cook keeps him at CB, though, as he looks to continue dominating games with Banks and Oldaker in midfield.
  
• Oldaker returns to CM, he's had a good season so far and deserves to retain his place in the Starting XI, at least until Fleck is fully fit.
  
• You could make a case for Mandeville starting in Markanday's place, I think most would prefer that and Markanday had a shocker against Vale (but who didn't) but he's also shown he can be very dangerous vs Crewe, Gillingham and Grimsby, plus is more agile which we'll need against teams we're trying to break down at home.
  
• Honestly don't know what to do about the striker situation, Drummond looks like he has something but isn't quite ready yet and I think he'd struggle against a team sitting deep. There's the argument to start Berry up top but I think we'd miss him on the left. I suppose you could go Berry up top, move Dobra to the left and put Jacobs in the hole or put Markanday on the left (I assume he can play there?) and bring Mandeville in on the right. It's tricky, we currently have nobody fit who can stand up to big strong centre halves so maybe even just play without a striker and play 4 attacking mids running from deep and total football it.

Edit: I wonder if Madden is due to start after reading CFC91's post in another thread

Agree with Araujo for Grimes (don?t know why so few people seem to be suggesting this)??against Grimsby they just let Grimes have the ball, sat off and marked up because they knew passing is not his greatest2 attribute

[Sammy Spireite]

Osborne again, on 16 September 2024 - 12:38 PM, said:

I'd certainly like to see Naylor back in midfield.

Hasn't Cookie already said that Naylor will be playing CH until Xmas, unless something unexpected happens (or have I imagined that?)