[Goku]

frearsghost, on 19 May 2025 - 11:32 AM, said:

One man labeled Farage a cult leader. You've mangled this to claim Reforn are a cult which, of course, is nonsense.

Your acrobatics with language is similar to that of another well know poster whom you appear to be overtaking in the insult league table. We all have opinons Josh but how is it that you speak the truth while others are indoctrinated? Or, as your mate would put it - everybody has an opinion but those who disagree with my narrative, peddle and parrot. That's not really how it works is it fella.

It's literally just my opinion matey.

[Misnomer]

Goku, on 19 May 2025 - 10:41 AM, said:

Same people who used to bang on about the "Cult of Corbyn" fail to see the irony of themselves being fully indoctrinated in a cult. Some even pay money for the indoctrination...

I'm guessing you're aiming that at me 😂 although, you are fully aware of my thoughts on Farage.

You're doing exactly what your mate, Snell, has done for many years - don't disappear down that same rabbit hole; you are way better than that.

I changed my position because, I couldn't play the pathetic game of identity politics, victim olympics, the anti-British agenda and rampant antisemitism; it's highly decisive and has made this country much worse for it.

[Goku]

Misnomer, on 19 May 2025 - 11:57 AM, said:

I'm guessing you're aiming that at me 😂 although, you are fully aware of my thoughts on Farage.

You're doing exactly what your mate, Snell, has done for many years - don't disappear down that same rabbit hole; you are way better than that.

I changed my position because, I couldn't play the pathetic game of identity politics, victim olympics, the anti-British agenda and rampant antisemitism; it's highly decisive and has made this country much worse for it.

You never banged on about the cult of Corbyn as you were a big Corbynite wasn't aimed at you, more Mr Merc for being the forum's biggest hypocrite

[Misnomer]

Goku, on 19 May 2025 - 12:01 PM, said:

You never banged on about the cult of Corbyn as you were a big Corbynite wasn't aimed at you, more Mr Merc for being the forum's biggest hypocrite

Apologies....

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 19 May 2025 - 12:01 PM, said:

You never banged on about the cult of Corbyn as you were a big Corbynite wasn't aimed at you, more Mr Merc for being the forum's biggest hypocrite

There’s bigger!

[Wooden Spoon]

Goku, on 19 May 2025 - 09:08 AM, said:

Great to see Sir Keir and the gang arranging what sounds like a fantastic deal with the EU. No doubt there'll be a plethora of right wing zealots who haven't yet matured and realised that as part of a negotiation you can't just demand everything and give nothing up in return specifically regarding allowing EU access to our waters, but it'll just go to show how polarised politics is now and then literally nothing that Labour do can be recognised as good. Pitiful, really. And, as Tory peer Stuart Rose says:



Keep it up Labour, some excellent work being done in recent weeks.

Did you hear UVDL refer to the EU as a sovereign state?


Thank god we left. At least we can remove the leadership if they don’t meet expectations- you don’t have that ability to removed UVDL and the commission

[Burgerman]

Would I prefer we imported EU beef over US beef, hell yeah!

I never hid the fact I was a very much in the remain camp with the Brexit vote and any deals we can now make with the EU is fine by me. But (and its a big but) I am someone who believes in democracy and the Brexit referendum was clear which way we would go and I respected that, still do so I expect this will be a downer for many. For me, though a good move from Starmer.

I think we need to strengthen ties with the EU in all areas while ever the lunatic in the the White House

[Spire-ite]

Wooden Spoon, on 19 May 2025 - 01:28 PM, said:

Did you hear UVDL refer to the EU as a sovereign state?


Thank god we left. At least we can remove the leadership if they don’t meet expectations- you don’t have that ability to removed UVDL and the commission

Exactly.

[Mr Mercury]

Given away our fishing rights in turn for a cpl more e gates when we go abroad on holiday. We travel to the eu zone regularly on holiday and I can honestly say I’ve not noticed a single problem when arriving on holiday. This treacherous louse is just ignoring the referendum result.

[isleaiw1]

Goku, on 19 May 2025 - 09:08 AM, said:

Great to see Sir Keir and the gang arranging what sounds like a fantastic deal with the EU. No doubt there'll be a plethora of right wing zealots who haven't yet matured and realised that as part of a negotiation you can't just demand everything and give nothing up in return specifically regarding allowing EU access to our waters, but it'll just go to show how polarised politics is now and then literally nothing that Labour do can be recognised as good. Pitiful, really. And, as Tory peer Stuart Rose says:



Keep it up Labour, some excellent work being done in recent weeks.

Also one who didn't vote leave but I do believe that there is no point in having votes if you then don't implement what was voted for...

So @Goku, if starmer decided he wasn't up to the job tomorrow and left, and Reeves followed him, and they then implemented policies more in line with the Tory party (maybe even did stuff which created growth) would you be promoting that from the roof tops if it was the opposite of the vote that was taken.

The problem is I am losing track of when you are taking the proverbialand when you mean it... and this is one case. Is democracy being done more important than the outcome or not?

[Goku]

Mr Mercury, on 19 May 2025 - 01:56 PM, said:

Given away our fishing rights in turn for a cpl more e gates when we go abroad on holiday. We travel to the eu zone regularly on holiday and I can honestly say I’ve not noticed a single problem when arriving on holiday. This treacherous louse is just ignoring the referendum result.

Factually incorrect, as you are with pretty much every post you make nowadays

- We are keeping the current fishing status quo with the EU until 2038 - the current fishing status quo which was agreed by Boris Johnson, which you never said a word against, obviously. Even within fishing, this deal helps with anyone selling into the EU - langoustines from South Shields that are the toast of Parisian restaurants, monkfish for Spain and Scottish salmon exported to Europe etc.
- We get reduced checks on food exports to the EU. Fishing is worth £1bil. Food and farm exports are worth £10bil, for comparison. This reduces beurocracy/red tape brought on by your Brexit.
- New Sanitary and phytosanitary agreement means we can sell raw sausages and burgers back to the EU for the first time since Brexit, which will help partly offset the 21% drop in exports since your Brexit.
- A formal UK-EU defence and security pact established, paving the way for for UK-based arms firms to access a £150bil EU fund providing loans for defence projects (further details TBC)
- Agreement to cooperate with Youth Experience Scheme (further details TBC)
- General close relations with the EU, which should be welcomed by any patriot wanting this country to succeed.

(Nicked these from BBC)

An estimated £9bil added to our economy annually at the cost of... allowing the current fishing deal to continue. Oh no, how could Starmer do this to us?!

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Good news.

Every review by respected auditors concludes Brexit cost the UK economy between four and five percent.

In context, the entire COVID pandemic only hit it for two.

We also witnessed protests by fishermen, farmers and most other sectors when what was deemed an "oven ready deal" that would leave everyone better off proved anything but.

Resulting in arch Brexiter Sunak himself having to renegotiate that dead duck.

Then Labour were elected on a manifesto pledging to address these issues. To seek an improved relationship with our closest and largest trading block. And that, as in any discussions, means giving and taking.

Of course Farage and his cultists will get their knickers into all kindsa mindless knots. Of course the all but irrelevant Tories will try to re-write reality. Of course we'll see hysterical accusations of surrender and treachery and sell out.

However these are from the very characters whose pretty much every promise has been utterly discredited.

Who actually damaged the country and population they claim to represent with self imposed sanctions.

The deals being considered won't replace the tens of billions their lies lost. They're gone forever. But if this government can agree something akin to a Norwegian style arrangement it'll be a step in the right direction...

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 19 May 2025 - 02:36 PM, said:

Factually incorrect, as you are with pretty much every post you make nowadays

- We are keeping the current fishing status quo with the EU until 2038 - the current fishing status quo which was agreed by Boris Johnson, which you never said a word against, obviously. Even within fishing, this deal helps with anyone selling into the EU - langoustines from South Shields that are the toast of Parisian restaurants, monkfish for Spain and Scottish salmon exported to Europe etc.
- We get reduced checks on food exports to the EU. Fishing is worth £1bil. Food and farm exports are worth £10bil, for comparison. This reduces beurocracy/red tape brought on by your Brexit.
- New Sanitary and phytosanitary agreement means we can sell raw sausages and burgers back to the EU for the first time since Brexit, which will help partly offset the 21% drop in exports since your Brexit.
- A formal UK-EU defence and security pact established, paving the way for for UK-based arms firms to access a £150bil EU fund providing loans for defence projects (further details TBC)
- Agreement to cooperate with Youth Experience Scheme (further details TBC)
- General close relations with the EU, which should be welcomed by any patriot wanting this country to succeed.

(Nicked these from BBC)

An estimated £9bil added to our economy annually at the cost of... allowing the current fishing deal to continue. Oh no, how could Starmer do this to us?!

Utter betrayal of the referendum, anyhow he’ll just be more despised.
despised

[Goku]

isleaiw1, on 19 May 2025 - 02:33 PM, said:

Also one who didn't vote leave but I do believe that there is no point in having votes if you then don't implement what was voted for...

So @Goku, if starmer decided he wasn't up to the job tomorrow and left, and Reeves followed him, and they then implemented policies more in line with the Tory party (maybe even did stuff which created growth) would you be promoting that from the roof tops if it was the opposite of the vote that was taken.

The problem is I am losing track of when you are taking the proverbialand when you mean it... and this is one case. Is democracy being done more important than the outcome or not?

Are you suggesting that this is somehow a betrayal of Brexit, or undemocratic? We are not going back into the EU, we are agreeing deals with them to make our country more prosperous... why would a genuine patriot like moi be against that? Anyone who wants the best for this country should be celebrating this Labour Government making all these lovely deals to get us back on our feet. And this is all within less than a year of being in power - it's actually mind-blowing, when you think about it.

Mr Mercury, on 19 May 2025 - 02:43 PM, said:

Utter betrayal of the referendum, anyhow he’ll just be more despised.
despised

Oh I don't doubt it! People have been utterly brainwashed and are completely immune to reason, as your good self is showing in this very thread

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 19 May 2025 - 02:46 PM, said:

Are you suggesting that this is somehow a betrayal of Brexit, or undemocratic? We are not going back into the EU, we are agreeing deals with them to make our country more prosperous... why would a genuine patriot like moi be against that? Anyone who wants the best for this country should be celebrating this Labour Government making all these lovely deals to get us back on our feet. And this is all within less than a year of being in power - it's actually mind-blowing, when you think about it.



Oh I don't doubt it! People have been utterly brainwashed and are completely immune to reason, as your good self is showing in this very thread

I see someone else has adopted the childish “Farage and his cultists” phrase, snigger snigger. You should have copyrights.
But I digress, all the fishermen being interviewed are saying it’s a disaster. I’d sooner take their word than yours, whichever source you use.

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 19 May 2025 - 03:00 PM

[Mr Mercury]

Unraveling already?
So that’s the fishing industry shafted and now already sky high energy bills to go even higher. Everything this man touches turns to sh.t


While there is panic over the fishing rights surrender the EU-UK deal features significant alignment on carbon pricing. The key points as agreed by Starmer and the EU are:

UK Emission Trading Scheme (UK ETS) and the European Union Emission Trading System (EU ETS) to be linked.
Scope includes “electricity generation, industrial heat generation (excluding the individual heating of houses), industry, domestic and international maritime transport and domestic and international aviation.” Should provide for a “procedure to further expand the list of sectors to be covered by the linking agreement”…
The UK’s cap and reduction pathway “should be at least as ambitious as the European Union cap and the European Union reduction pathway.“
UK will pay the EU “to support the relevant costs associated with the European Union’s work in this policy area.“
Arbitration: “the Court of Justice of the European Union is the ultimate authority for all questions of European Union law.“
The UK gets to “contribute appropriately for a country that is not a member of the European Union to the decision-shaping process of European Union legal acts in the fields covered by the obligation to dynamically align… These rights would not extend to participation in the work of the Council or its preparatory bodies.” The UK will be ignored…
Independent energy consultant Kathryn Porter sounded the alarm over higher prices:

“Since Keir Starmer announced his intention to harmonise the UK and EU ETS, UK carbon prices have increased significantly. Full harmonisation could end up adding more than £200 million per year to electricity bills.

UK carbon prices have been lower as a result of a surplus of allowances due to de-industrialisation. It’s hard to see how we will benefit from harmonisation. The “level playing field” sounds like a mechanism to remove the UK allowances surplus with no benefits to UK consumers.“

Within the EU prices are currently roughly £10/ptCO2 higher than here. ‘Savings’ spin from Starmer and the EU is centred on the introduction of the bloc’s carbon border tariffs next year. In essence energy costs are being immediately hiked for the UK in return for a future tariff reduction – even on those who don’t export to the EU – while the UK also agrees to take EU rules, ECJ jurisdiction, and pay the EU for the pleasure. The EU will further decide who in the UK is exempt from its hiked carbon pricing. Got all that?

The Institute of Economic Affairs’ energy analyst Andy Mayer adds: “The smarter strategy would be to retain control of our own carbon policy, and cut it drastically to compete with the EU, encouraging jobs and growth, including in low carbon technologies also impacted by high energy prices.”

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 19 May 2025 - 03:38 PM

[isleaiw1]

Goku, on 19 May 2025 - 02:46 PM, said:

Are you suggesting that this is somehow a betrayal of Brexit, or undemocratic? We are not going back into the EU, we are agreeing deals with them to make our country more prosperous... why would a genuine patriot like moi be against that? Anyone who wants the best for this country should be celebrating this Labour Government making all these lovely deals to get us back on our feet. And this is all within less than a year of being in power - it's actually mind-blowing, when you think about it.



Oh I don't doubt it! People have been utterly brainwashed and are completely immune to reason, as your good self is showing in this very thread

In my line of work, we talk about substance over form and every bit of this has us agreeing to follow EU rules (that we no longer have any say in making) to get the agreement. So yes. I would say that in substance we are agreeing to EU rules which is substantially what being a member requires..

£9bn should just about put back a chu k.of what their policies so far have taken away....although the stock market doesn't look too enthused by it (especially the FTSE 250)

You probably don't care that policies don't stick to manifestos either - well as long as it's good for you. Who cares about delivering promises, just look after me!

[Mr Mercury]

The only boats Starmer can stop are UK fishing boats.

[spireiterob]

Undoing the untold wreckage Brexit has inflicted on the UK economy is vital.

100 billion per year estimated I last read.

Well done Sir Keir.

Although the faceless bots and other grifters on social media will say otherwise…….

[Goku]

isleaiw1, on 19 May 2025 - 04:09 PM, said:

In my line of work, we talk about substance over form and every bit of this has us agreeing to follow EU rules (that we no longer have any say in making) to get the agreement. So yes. I would say that in substance we are agreeing to EU rules which is substantially what being a member requires..

£9bn should just about put back a chu k.of what their policies so far have taken away....although the stock market doesn't look too enthused by it (especially the FTSE 250)

You probably don't care that policies don't stick to manifestos either - well as long as it's good for you. Who cares about delivering promises, just look after me!

Yep well when you leave the biggest trading bloc going and then realise you need to make some money back you have to make some concessions. That’s how business works. It’s easy to snipe from the sidelines, it’s much harder when you’re actually in power and have to make decisions. Sound familiar?