[dim view]

60s 70s Spireite, on 09 September 2024 - 03:21 PM, said:

Until the next window, any of the players not listed in our EFL squad. Probably send them out on a loan, so we can bring them back if needed (while we have space(s) available.

Sorry to appear thick........
Are you saying that a player named in our squad should not be moved on even if a significant wedge can be wiped off the wage bill, just because his name can't be removed from a list?

[60s 70s Spireite]

dim view, on 09 September 2024 - 07:22 PM, said:

Sorry to appear thick........
Are you saying that a player named in our squad should not be moved on even if a significant wedge can be wiped off the wage bill, just because his name can't be removed from a list?

I am saying the chances of moving on a named squad player to a non league club are slim to non existent. But we do have three players who are likely to be very keen to move on for the time being.

[dim view]

60s 70s Spireite, on 09 September 2024 - 07:29 PM, said:

I am saying the chances of moving on a named squad player to a non league club are slim to non existent.

I think there are several players, like Quigley, who are not first pick, are in their final year and would be attracted by a 2+ year deal at a good NL club, especially if severance pay was also offered.

[DIFH]

dim view, on 09 September 2024 - 07:54 PM, said:

I think there are several players, like Quigley, who are not first pick, are in their final year and would be attracted by a 2+ year deal at a good NL club, especially if severance pay was also offered.

Who then Dave.

[Mr Mercury]

dim view, on 09 September 2024 - 07:54 PM, said:

I think there are several players, like Quigley, who are not first pick, are in their final year and would be attracted by a 2+ year deal at a good NL club, especially if severance pay was also offered.

Don?t u give the severance money just to get them off the books, not if other clubs are looking to offer them a deal?

[warfey is a spireite]

4k too much for someone whose not match ready

[Goku]

Mr Mercury, on 09 September 2024 - 09:06 PM, said:

Don?t u give the severance money just to get them off the books, not if other clubs are looking to offer them a deal?

If the other club is unable or unwilling to offer a similar wage the club that owns the club might sometimes agree to paying them so the drop in wages is less dramatic.

[DerbySpireite59]

dim view, on 09 September 2024 - 07:54 PM, said:

I think there are several players, like Quigley, who are not first pick, are in their final year and would be attracted by a 2+ year deal at a good NL club, especially if severance pay was also offered.

So which three, or more, of these do you think would leave us for a 2 year contract with a good NL club?

Ryan Colclough (been out injured)
Tyrone Williams
Mike Jones
Michael Jacobs
Kane Drummond
Connor Cook
Vontae Daley-Campbell

I don't think Ty would give up his chance in the EFL. I don't think Ryan would see himself not becoming a first pick again.
I'm not convinced Michael would sign for any other manager outside of the EFL.
Kane and Vontae are not giving up their chances in the EFL.
Connor's simply not going.
That just leaves Mike, who I suspect may well retire at the end of this season.

[Westbars Spireite]

warfey is a spireite, on 09 September 2024 - 09:18 PM, said:

4k too much for someone whose not match ready

He?s been training with the club for the last 2 weeks and has likely kept himself in shape since recovering from his injury. I suspect if he?s signed he?s ready to start pretty much immediately.

[dim view]

DerbySpireite59, on 09 September 2024 - 10:22 PM, said:

So which three, or more, of these do you think would leave us for a 2 year contract with a good NL club?


I don't think Ty would give up his chance in the EFL. I don't think Ryan would see himself not becoming a first pick again.
I'm not convinced Michael would sign for any other manager outside of the EFL.
Kane and Vontae are not giving up their chances in the EFL.
Connor's simply not going.
That just leaves Mike, who I suspect may well retire at the end of this season.

That's all a bit sentimental.
Your starting point should be a list of players who are OOC who you don't think will be offered a new one. So I personally might add Grimes and Banks but there are so many if's but's and permutations, and guesswork about the extent that the Manager wants to explore the free agent market in the near future and needs to generate funds, that it's all conjecture.

[60s 70s Spireite]

dim view, on 10 September 2024 - 06:31 AM, said:

That's all a bit sentimental.
Your starting point should be a list of players who are OOC who you don't think will be offered a new one. So I personally might add Grimes and Banks but there are so many if's but's and permutations, and guesswork about the extent that the Manager wants to explore the free agent market in the near future and needs to generate funds, that it's all conjecture.

Can you find any other club that has offloaded a named squad player outside the transfer window?
We have to negotiate almost half a season (before the next window) with whatever injuries throw at us. With seven subs able to be named on the bench, I am sure the last thing on managements mind is increasing our chances of finding ourselves short.

[dim view]

60s 70s Spireite, on 10 September 2024 - 06:50 AM, said:

Can you find any other club that has offloaded a named squad player outside the transfer window?
We have to negotiate almost half a season (before the next window) with whatever injuries throw at us. With seven subs able to be named on the bench, I am sure the last thing on managements mind is increasing our chances of finding ourselves short.

morning
The assumption here is that the manager does not want to deplete his squad. If he wants to secure a former premiership player some juggling with finances might be necessary.

[JonB]

dim view, on 09 September 2024 - 07:22 PM, said:

Sorry to appear thick........
Are you saying that a player named in our squad should not be moved on even if a significant wedge can be wiped off the wage bill, just because his name can't be removed from a list?

Just cant see him moving Banks on for footballing reasons. He's started every league game so far.

[Search & Destroy]

Fleck would be insane at this level IF fit

[DerbySpireite59]

dim view, on 10 September 2024 - 06:31 AM, said:

That's all a bit sentimental.
Your starting point should be a list of players who are OOC who you don't think will be offered a new one. So I personally might add Grimes and Banks but there are so many if's but's and permutations, and guesswork about the extent that the Manager wants to explore the free agent market in the near future and needs to generate funds, that it's all conjecture.

It was you that narrowed the list down to "not first pick". I expect that Jamie and Ollie will get enough starts this season, to not want away.
However, I agree with you about the free agent market, and who might be better than either/both of them. They have to be much better though to merit disposing of two mature players, who are highly regarded by the rest of the squad.

They each have their obvious flaws, but also have fantastic strengths. That's why they polarise views amongst the fan base.
They can go from bring MOTM one game, to costing us points the next.

Personally, I doubt any of the current squad, of 19, will be released this season. If there were, I'd say it would be Ryan Boot if he were to lose his place to Thompson.

This post has been edited by DerbySpireite59: 10 September 2024 - 08:18 AM

[DerbySpireite59]

Search & Destroy, on 10 September 2024 - 07:27 AM, said:

Fleck would be insane at this level IF fit

We already have Jenson, Mike, Tom, DJ, Ollie and Ali for those 2 positions. Who would you want releasing to create the space for Fleck?

Anyway, I trust Cookie's judgement and will fully welcome him if he signed.

This post has been edited by DerbySpireite59: 10 September 2024 - 09:13 AM

[dtp]

DerbySpireite59, on 10 September 2024 - 08:15 AM, said:

It was you that narrowed the list down to "not first pick". I expect that Jamie and Ollie will get enough starts this season, to not want away.
However, I agree with you about the free agent market, and who might be better than either/both of them. They have to be much better though to merit disposing of two mature players, who are highly regarded by the rest of the squad.

They each have their obvious flaws, but also have fantastic strengths. That's why they polarise views amongst the fan base.
They can go from bring MOTM one game, to costing us points the next.

Personally, I doubt any of the current squad, of 19, will be released this season. If there were, I'd say it would be Ryan Boot if he were to lose his place to Thompson.

I fully doubt that there will be any movement regarding any of the 19 players named in our squad this side of Christmas.

However, we could see a bit of a shuffle during the transfer window depending on how the season is going, any bids we may receive, and the availability of any players we might be interested in.

Meanwhile, we have only named 19 players which gives us the option of adding 3 more if we choose to bring in some free agents.

However, the squad is doing reasonably well to date and should get stronger as players return from injury.

[JonB]

DerbySpireite59, on 10 September 2024 - 08:32 AM, said:

We already have James, Mike, Tom, DJ, Ollie and Ali for those 2 positions. Who would you want releasing to create the space for Fleck?

He last played regularly 2 seasons ago, aged 32, in a struggling Blackburn side. He was part of the reason they struggled.
He's not likely to get back anywhere near his heyday at Sheff Utd., if they're the abiding memories you have iof him. IMHO

Anyway, I trust Cookie's judgement and will fully welcome him if he signed.

Fitness and potential impact aside, although i suspect he's likely to have enough about him to be very useful for us and i dont think Cook would sign him if he couldnt, he played once for Blackburn in Feb when he got a shin injury that needed an operation and ruled him out....saying he was part of the reason Blackburn struggled is nonsense.

Prior to that last season he played 4 times for the Blunts in the Premier League. Going back further he played 29 times to help the Blunts get promoted, 39 times the year before and 38 the year before that. Going back further he was making 40+ appearances a season so he's not really had consistent injury issues. In fact last season was the first time in years he missed large chunks of the season and a shin injury suggests he got kicked or impact injury more than a muscle injury.

Also we dont need to release anyone to make room for him, we have 3 or 4 squad places available and with EFL and FA Cup games to come, room for 7 subs etc there is scope for all of them to be involved especially with Naylor getting used at centre back as well. Jones and Ali will be very much bit part players this season i would suspect as well leaving Metcalfe (presume you mean him when you say James in your strange first name list), Banks, Oldaker and Naylor when he's not centre back for midfield. Bit more cover wouldnt be a disaster if the right player and deal are available.

[DerbySpireite59]

JonB, on 10 September 2024 - 08:53 AM, said:

Fitness and potential impact aside, although i suspect he's likely to have enough about him to be very useful for us and i dont think Cook would sign him if he couldnt, he played once for Blackburn in Feb when he got a shin injury that needed an operation and ruled him out....saying he was part of the reason Blackburn struggled is nonsense.

Prior to that last season he played 4 times for the Blunts in the Premier League. Going back further he played 29 times to help the Blunts get promoted, 39 times the year before and 38 the year before that. Going back further he was making 40+ appearances a season so he's not really had consistent injury issues. In fact last season was the first time in years he missed large chunks of the season and a shin injury suggests he got kicked or impact injury more than a muscle injury.

Also we dont need to release anyone to make room for him, we have 3 or 4 squad places available and with EFL and FA Cup games to come, room for 7 subs etc there is scope for all of them to be involved especially with Naylor getting used at centre back as well. Jones and Ali will be very much bit part players this season i would suspect as well leaving Metcalfe (presume you mean him when you say James in your strange first name list), Banks, Oldaker and Naylor when he's not centre back for midfield. Bit more cover wouldnt be a disaster if the right player and deal are available.

1. You're spot on about it being nonsense that Fleck was a reason that Blackburn struggled. My bad. I apologise, and havev deleted it from my reply.
2. I have no idea why I wrote James instead of Jenson. LOL. My bad. Again, I apologise and have amended the list.
3. I make absolutely no apologies for calling our players by their first names.
The alternative would be to call them by their nicknames, but to me, calling people by their surnames is officious or even a term of dislike.
4. Yes, we do have numerical headroom, in the squad, but Cookie tends to keep numbers tight. We have a lot of under-21's under contract too, who he'll look to give game time to. We might even see Branden and Bailey back in the full squad sooner than later.
5. Again, if we sign Fleck, or someone else, or don't, then Cookie is more often right than wrong.

[SpireiteStan]

Apparently Fleck has signed