[dtp]

rodney, on 08 April 2023 - 01:59 PM, said:

We need one of the midfielders to pose a threat going fwd.

By midfielders I suppose you mean them to in the "two" in front or at the side of the CBs.

But, not only do we need them to provide a goal threat but it would be nice to see one of our CBs actually win a header from a set piece and direct it towards goal.

However, there's the "three" in front of the "two" in which Dallas had as many shots as me, so did Asante, Mandeville actually scored a beauty but then failed miserably thereafter whilst Colclough came alive when the match was lost but seemed to always want to do it all himself and not get his head up to see what else is on, and Uchegbulem hardly touched the ball.

On to the "one" and not an attempt at goal from either of them but was this really their fault or that of a total lack of supply from the supporting act?

At 3-1 down our tactics or style (if that's the right word) of play remained unchanged until it was far far too late. If ever there was a time to try two up top in a different formation that was it. For me, we have enough players and sufficient in the match day squad to play a variety of systems but there remains a stubborn resistance against this even when it's obvious to everyone that what we are doing is not working. There's a saying that "if it's not broken don't fix it" but that doesn't go as far as meaning "if it's not working don't change it".

[Arthur Cox’s Boots]

rodney, on 08 April 2023 - 01:59 PM, said:

Teams have worked us out, and we haven’t a plan B. With Maguire at left back, who has done well, and King on current form, we have no extra width. With Banks and Jones both sitting we only have 4 with an attacking threat. Easy to defend against. We need one of the midfielders to pose a threat going fwd.

Akinola

[dart in the crossbar]

dtp, on 08 April 2023 - 03:27 PM, said:

By midfielders I suppose you mean them to in the "two" in front or at the side of the CBs.

But, not only do we need them to provide a goal threat but it would be nice to see one of our CBs actually win a header from a set piece and direct it towards goal.

However, there's the "three" in front of the "two" in which Dallas had as many shots as me, so did Asante, Mandeville actually scored a beauty but then failed miserably thereafter whilst Colclough came alive when the match was lost but seemed to always want to do it all himself and not get his head up to see what else is on, and Uchegbulem hardly touched the ball.

On to the "one" and not an attempt at goal from either of them but was this really their fault or that of a total lack of supply from the supporting act?

At 3-1 down our tactics or style (if that's the right word) of play remained unchanged until it was far far too late. If ever there was a time to try two up top in a different formation that was it. For me, we have enough players and sufficient in the match day squad to play a variety of systems but there remains a stubborn resistance against this even when it's obvious to everyone that what we are doing is not working. There's a saying that "if it's not broken don't fix it" but that doesn't go as far as meaning "if it's not working don't change it".

On C's winning the ball in the air. John-Lewis showed everyone on the pitch how to win headers yesterday. It's about good positioning, good timing and good use of backside, back and arms. He's not 6 foot tall but won just about everything in the air.

[Rodney's Moustache]

boot, on 08 April 2023 - 08:52 AM, said:

Agree, never better than 5 out of 10 and doesn't put a shift in. He knows he won't be here next season. I wouldn't be looking at Dallas either - irrespective of what position he has been played he should look like a player in terms of passing, going past a player, first touch and ball control. He is quick and not much else - 3 gilt edged chances in games so far and missed the lot. Prove me wrong Mr Dallas - I will be delighted.

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Cook buys a striker because our other two strikers can't score goals then plays him as a winger. I'll give Dallas the benefit of the doubt but he doesn't look any better than we have but maybe he'll come good if played in the right position.

[spireitetoo]

DerbySpireite59, on 08 April 2023 - 12:28 PM, said:

You got it and I think you also got the underlying message. That is, if far more of our forwards passes were successful in breaking the line and/or lines, then the previous sideways and backwards passes wouldn't be anywhere near as frustrating. Imho

Is it something to do with them having world class players, capable of playing with both feet and capable of spotting a run from a teammate outta the corner of their eye, we have non league players, who still aren't sure whether they can actually kick a ball with their wrong foot, or whether to stand on it incase they fall over.

[Cartman]

rodney, on 08 April 2023 - 01:59 PM, said:

Teams have worked us out, and we haven’t a plan B. With Maguire at left back, who has done well, and King on current form, we have no extra width. With Banks and Jones both sitting we only have 4 with an attacking threat. Easy to defend against. We need one of the midfielders to pose a threat going fwd.

I keep reading all this teams have worked us out nonsense!

If all teams in the league had worked us out we would not be 4th

[azul]

Rodney, on 08 April 2023 - 04:57 PM, said:

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Cook buys a striker because our other two strikers can't score goals then plays him as a winger. I'll give Dallas the benefit of the doubt but he doesn't look any better than we have but maybe he'll come good if played in the right position.

Who is this striker Cook has bought and is now playing as a winger????

[dtp]

Cartman, on 08 April 2023 - 06:58 PM, said:

I keep reading all this teams have worked us out nonsense!

If all teams in the league had worked us out we would not be 4th

Forgive me because I can't be bothered to work it out but were we winning more points per game before the half way stage than what we have won since?

If the answer is "yes" by any margin then that can mean that teams have seen how we play and now set up to negate our strengths and exploit our weaknesses. As such, this could be interpreted as other teams have worked us out.

Can you say that you don't know how we play? To give you a clue we played the same way at Maidenhead, where we could have won and could have lossed, as we did against York and did lose. Because we luckily didn't concede against Maidenhead and failed to score in that game that was regarded as some sort of success so we kept the same side and the same tactics. The same tactics as I've been watching all season so if other team's management haven't wised up to this then I'm a Dutch man.

Bare in mind, there was a time that we were challenging for first, then second, now possibly third, maybe fourth, and hopefully no less than fifth.

[60s 70s Spireite]

dtp, on 08 April 2023 - 07:29 PM, said:

Forgive me because I can't be bothered to work it out but were we winning more points per game before the half way stage than what we have won since?

If the answer is "yes" by any margin then that can mean that teams have seen how we play and now set up to negate our strengths and exploit our weaknesses. As such, this could be interpreted as other teams have worked us out.

Can you say that you don't know how we play? To give you a clue we played the same way at Maidenhead, where we could have won and could have lossed, as we did against York and did lose. Because we luckily didn't concede against Maidenhead and failed to score in that game that was regarded as some sort of success so we kept the same side and the same tactics. The same tactics as I've been watching all season so if other team's management haven't wised up to this then I'm a Dutch man.

Bare in mind, there was a time that we were challenging for first, then second, now possibly third, maybe fourth, and hopefully no less than fifth.

Yup. First 20 games we had 43 points and were hot on the tails of the top two, 6 points clear of 4th. Last 21 games, we have 29 points and sit mid table in the form table over those games.

[rodney]

60s 70s Spireite, on 08 April 2023 - 07:38 PM, said:

Yup. First 20 games we had 43 points and were hot on the tails of the top two, 6 points clear of 4th. Last 21 games, we have 29 points and sit mid table in the form table over those games.

Think this answers Cartman’s question….

[spireitetoo]

rodney, on 08 April 2023 - 07:46 PM, said:

Think this answers Cartman’s question….

God damn those stats.. but if you love those blinkers... 👍

[jack bauer]

2nd half of seasons are generally harder. just a few talking points to fire back at what is being said here. teams should be able to work out what the opposition are about especially these days with so much coverage available: how many teams have a plan B that is really effective? i'd guess not many really: finally we have beaten teams in the return game this season who we lost to in the first game, so let's get some balance into our thinking rather than just saying we've been worked out and cook should get sacked

[60s 70s Spireite]

jack bauer, on 08 April 2023 - 09:35 PM, said:

2nd half of seasons are generally harder. just a few talking points to fire back at what is being said here. teams should be able to work out what the opposition are about especially these days with so much coverage available: how many teams have a plan B that is really effective? i'd guess not many really: finally we have beaten teams in the return game this season who we lost to in the first game, so let's get some balance into our thinking rather than just saying we've been worked out and cook should get sacked

On that basis all teams should perform worse in the second half of the season? How does that work?
And I can’t see too many saying Cook should be sacked, but listening to Cook, he’s as frustrated as many us are. Which remains a comfort.

[jack bauer]

60s 70s Spireite, on 08 April 2023 - 09:45 PM, said:

On that basis all teams should perform worse in the second half of the season? How does that work?
And I can’t see too many saying Cook should be sacked, but listening to Cook, he’s as frustrated as many us are. Which remains a comfort.

i didn't say teams perform worse in the 2nd half of seasons, i said 2nd half of seasons are generally harder. the title of this thread is cook out, which is just embarassing. yesterday was really poor from us but to have a thread called "cook out" is even more embarassing than the performance yesterday.

[metallilad]

spireitetoo, on 08 April 2023 - 08:58 PM, said:

God damn those stats.. but if you love those blinkers... 👍

Blinkers??? How's about the the fact that we're fourth and people want Cook sacked!!

F**kin pathetic thread!!

[Search & Destroy]

metallilad, on 08 April 2023 - 10:39 PM, said:

Blinkers??? How's about the the fact that we're fourth and people want Cook sacked!!

F**kin pathetic thread!!

Because the football is terrible

The team selections are bizarre

He blames the fans

God knows what he asks the keepers to do

He needed a striker and managed to find a Quigley clone

He plays Asante and Dallas out of position

He ignores Akinola

The treatment of Loz

Signed about 20 players and complains about squad balance

Etc etc etc

[Phil V 72]

The ‘one dimensional’ criticism is something that was levelled at Cook in his first term from time to time. Unexpected dips in form also occurred but generally he didn’t change the way the team plays. It’s the way he sets up to play football, he isn’t gonna change.

We knew what we were getting, we know he probably doesn’t have the quality of players he’d ideally like. Personally I’m pleased we have him and am happy to take his foibles because more often than not he gets it right.

[dtp]

Phil V 72, on 09 April 2023 - 08:00 AM, said:

The ‘one dimensional’ criticism is something that was levelled at Cook in his first term from time to time. Unexpected dips in form also occurred but generally he didn’t change the way the team plays. It’s the way he sets up to play football, he isn’t gonna change.

We knew what we were getting, we know he probably doesn’t have the quality of players he’d ideally like. Personally I’m pleased we have him and am happy to take his foibles because more often than not he gets it right.

Let's be clear, Phil, I do not agree with the "Cook out" suggestion heading this thread but there is a level of frustration with fans as a result of what they are watching and what they are hearing from him.

I believe that including players he had given new contracts to and loan players he has signed some 25 players and spent at least £77k on agents fees a figure which is much higher than Rowe spent. Then he tells us this Club have signed too many players over the last few seasons. An, he tells us the balance isn't right so who's fault is that? Then he says that he'd like to try Dallas up front but only when Dobra is fit to play. So, is that suggesting what he'd like to try is totally dependent on just 2 players out of the inflated squad he's been responsible for building when any one of those players could pick up an injury at any time? Then, twice now, he's had a go at the fans when, in fact, the fans have turned up in great numbers and that can be seen as a sign of deflecting blame.

No, it's not the time for "Cook out". If the season ends with success at Wembley as we all hope it will then he will be a hero. If it ends in failure at the first hurdle though then there is a possibility he will go down in a number of fans estimation. Also, if that is the disappointment we have to suffer there will need to be an inquisition at the highest level at the Club which looks at the why's and wherefor's of what's gone on and the costs involved to determine the way forward into next season. We cannot slip sideways and backwards into next season in the same league signing player after player and paying agents fees on top of agents fees.

[Rudeboy spireite]

Joe Quigley is dynamite, on 09 April 2023 - 06:31 AM, said:

Because the football is terrible

The team selections are bizarre

He blames the fans

God knows what he asks the keepers to do

He needed a striker and managed to find a Quigley clone

He plays Asante and Dallas out of position

He ignores Akinola

The treatment of Loz

Signed about 20 players and complains about squad balance

Etc etc etc

I am a big PC Fan, but you can't argue with this statement