[Rudeboy spireite]

Goku, on 03 February 2023 - 11:45 AM, said:

Here's the audio recording



why should he get sacked hurr durrrr durrrr

Vile piece of ****e and a pathetic excuse for a human

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Goku, on 03 February 2023 - 01:01 PM, said:

Yes, t'was all an elaborate roleplay no doubt. Anything but admit that somebody is abusive.

No. You're right. I take it all back. That 62 seconds is entirely conclusive.

Zero chance it could have been taken out of context or that the situation was engineered in order to extort money. Lock him up. Ruin his career and life. Throw away the key.

Cui bono. It's not rocket science.

This post has been edited by Snowflake McBedwetter: 03 February 2023 - 01:16 PM

[Valley Blues]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 03 February 2023 - 01:15 PM, said:

No. You're right. I take it all back. That 62 seconds is entirely conclusive.

Zero chance it could have been taken out of context or that the situation was engineered in order to extort money. Lock him up. ruin his career and life. Throw away the key.

What a guy.

Indulge me.

Even if it was ‘engineered’, as you put it, to extort money from him
a) why report it to the police and not just extort money from him with the recording?
and
b) even if it was ‘engineered’, unless that vile piece of scum was in on the charade and part of the act, he was still attempting to have sex with a female saying ‘No’.

Surely you’re not suggesting that an offence cannot be committed if the victim has set him up? I’m sure No means No regardless.

A man not capable of committing the offence of rape would still not commit the offence of rape whether they were being set up on camera or not.

This post has been edited by Valley Blues: 03 February 2023 - 01:25 PM

[Goku]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 03 February 2023 - 01:15 PM, said:

No. You're right. I take it all back. That 62 seconds is entirely conclusive.

Zero chance it could have been taken out of context or that the situation was engineered in order to extort money. Lock him up. Ruin his career and life. Throw away the key.

Cui bono. It's not rocket science.

1) Even if it is inconclusive in your opinion, it's very understandable why a club would want to sack somebody involved in this.
2) What are the other possible contexts, or how was the situation engineered? The only one I can think of would be rape roleplay. She also displayed a bust lip, images are available online. Pretty extreme roleplay if so, but that is a real thing which happens. However, it's not a usable defence in the UK nowadays according to the Domestic Abuse Bill 2020 (from what I can tell). So... what's the other context/situation engineering occurring?

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Goku, on 03 February 2023 - 01:23 PM, said:

1) Even if it is inconclusive in your opinion, it's very understandable why a club would want to sack somebody involved in this.
2) What are the other possible contexts, or how was the situation engineered? The only one I can think of would be rape roleplay. She also displayed a bust lip, images are available online. Pretty extreme roleplay if so, but that is a real thing which happens. However, it's not a usable defence in the UK nowadays according to the Domestic Abuse Bill 2020 (from what I can tell). So... what's the other context/situation engineering occurring?

As you say. Roleplay happens. And wayyyy beyond those levels. I don't think that's whats going on here as it goes. But it could be.

Some may be shocked to learn that females are not unknown to engineer situations in order to make money. A brief glance on the internets would confirm many, many examples. Posting a picture of a bust lip means literally zero.

To the poster above who said why wouldn't she just try to blackmail him... the answer is she could be locked up for doing so. Whereas lying in order to ensnare a wealthy footballer apparently harbours no risk of punitive action..

Presumably the Mendy case will eventually go the same way. I can't believe people are still falling for this crap. Totally undermines genuine victims of abuse and rape.

[Valley Blues]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 03 February 2023 - 01:34 PM, said:

As you say. Roleplay happens. And wayyyy beyond those levels. I don't think that's whats going on here as it goes. But it could be.

Some may be shocked to learn that females are not unknown to engineer situations in order to make money. A brief glance on the internets would confirm many, many examples. Posting a picture of a bust lip means literally zero.

To the poster above who said why wouldn't she just try to blackmail him... the answer is she could be locked up for doing so. Whereas lying in order to ensnare a wealthy footballer apparently harbours no risk of punitive action..

Presumably the Mendy case will eventually go the same way. I can't believe people are still falling for this crap. Totally undermines genuine victims of abuse and rape.

Surely you’re missing the part of the camera rolling, Greenwood being totally unaware yet he continues to force himself upon a girl saying ‘I don’t want sex’.
His response was that he’d asked nicely so what is he supposed to do.

Whether he was being set up or not, he was still committing an offence of rape once she had told him ‘no’.

Can you honestly not see that?

And regarding the blackmail part, was Greenwood going to run to the police reporting his girlfriend was extorting money from him due to him being taped raping her?

This post has been edited by Valley Blues: 03 February 2023 - 01:54 PM

[Goku]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 03 February 2023 - 01:34 PM, said:

As you say. Roleplay happens. And wayyyy beyond those levels. I don't think that's whats going on here as it goes. But it could be.

Some may be shocked to learn that females are not unknown to engineer situations in order to make money. A brief glance on the internets would confirm many, many examples. Posting a picture of a bust lip means literally zero.

To the poster above who said why wouldn't she just try to blackmail him... the answer is she could be locked up for doing so. Whereas lying in order to ensnare a wealthy footballer apparently harbours no risk of punitive action..

Presumably the Mendy case will eventually go the same way. I can't believe people are still falling for this crap. Totally undermines genuine victims of abuse and rape.

So what is going on, in your opinion?

This post has been edited by Goku: 03 February 2023 - 02:11 PM

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Valley Blues, on 03 February 2023 - 01:52 PM, said:

Surely you’re missing the part of the camera rolling, Greenwood being totally unaware yet he continues to force himself upon a girl saying ‘I don’t want sex’.
His response was that he’d asked nicely so what is he supposed to do.

Whether he was being set up or not, he was still committing an offence of rape once she had told him ‘no’.

Can you honestly not see that?

And regarding the blackmail part, was Greenwood going to run to the police reporting his girlfriend was extorting money from him due to him being taped raping her?

A) I haven't seen any video footage.

B) Getting drunk off becaause a girl doesn't want to have sex with you isn't against the law. As far as I'm aware. It may be uncouth. Morally unsound. Whatever. But to compare it to rape is the work of a mentalist.

C) He hasn't raped anyone as far as the law of the land is concerned. The case was so weak it didn't even make it to court. And you could be sued for stating he did.

This post has been edited by Snowflake McBedwetter: 03 February 2023 - 02:01 PM

[Valley Blues]

Snowflake McBedwetter, on 03 February 2023 - 02:00 PM, said:

A) I haven't seen any video footage.

B) Getting drunk off becaause a girl doesn't want to have sex with you isn't against the law. As far as I'm aware. It may be uncouth. Morally unsound. Whatever. But to compare it to rape is the work of a mentalist.

C) He hasn't raped anyone as far as the law of the land is concerned. The case was so weak it didn't even make it to court. And you could be sued for stating he did.

Greenwood’s lawyer will be busy over the next few months, I’d imagine.

I think there’s little point attempting to engage with you.

The only saving grace is folk with your thought process are in the small minority of society, thankfully.

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Goku, on 03 February 2023 - 01:59 PM, said:

So what is going on, in your opinion?

I think you have a teenage man. Trying to get his girlfriend/squeeze/hookup to sleep with him. He's acting like a mardy entitled pro footballer who's been furnished with wealth and influence beyond his years. I think she's likely playing the situation. And using the audio as leverage. Or she'd have just stopped seeing him because she was sick of his BS.

At worst. What we literally have here is a teenager getting the bottom on because his girlfriend won't sleep with him. There's nothing on that audio that suggests he's tried to force himself on her. At all. And I'd hazard a guess that had we all been recorded in all our interactions with women/girls in our teenage years we'd be pretty f******g embarrassed to listen to how we behaved.

[Snowflake McBedwetter]

Valley Blues, on 03 February 2023 - 02:08 PM, said:

Greenwood’s lawyer will be busy over the next few months, I’d imagine.

I think there’s little point attempting to engage with you.

The only saving grace is folk with your thought process are in the small minority of society, thankfully.

You can't engage with me because you're just making up nonsense and spouting it as fact. You say the cameras rolling, I ask if there's video footage... nothing. You call him a rapist and I point out he isn't... nothing.

You can't respond to my rebuttals because they're true. I won't waste time bothering in the future.

[Rodney's Moustache]

Bonnyman, on 02 February 2023 - 06:18 PM, said:

Loan deal till end of season

With Ched.

[Phil V 72]

Bump.

Will be leaving Man U by mutual consent.

[Exharboroughspireite]

Saudi Arabia beckons….

[Manfred Archie Mac Gerbil]

Exharboroughspireite said:

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Saudi Arabia beckons….

They don’t mind that sort of thing over there so he should be ok.

[oldgoat]

No rush cos he's still getting paid ridiculous money till 2025 so he'll survive