[LondonBlue]

h again, on 17 August 2022 - 11:43 AM, said:

I'd expect Kaby to replace Asante. For one thing Quigley gives us the aerial option, though limited, and for another KT and AA are very similar. Similarly brilliant, but similar. It's a very fine margin - with passing like that do we need an aerial option? - and I'd hate to be a National League defender faced with KT and AA playing together. Just the problem a Manager likes.
For all last night's brilliance I still think there's a lot more to come from this squad, barring injuries. I notice the two teams we played previously both won away last night. It didn't surprise me as I thought they both had a bit of something about them, but we could have beaten both by a margin. Some time soon a side is going to get really clobbered.

I’m not sure how we can drop Asante. He’s on fire and a real goal threat.

[h again]

LondonBlue, on 17 August 2022 - 12:04 PM, said:

I’m not sure how we can drop Asante. He’s on fire and a real goal threat.

Absolutely. And I'm still not a big fan of Quigley, despite a 100% improvement on last season, but he does give a different option. Like I said, very fine margins, but KT has got to come in.

[dtp]

Mr Mercury, on 17 August 2022 - 11:54 AM, said:

Quigley and unplayable won’t ever be in the same sentence for me, sorry.

Whether the correct word is "unplayable" I'm not sure but Quigley certainly looked closer to it than those 2 over-rated, overpaid, and over-expensive signings they had up front last night.

[dtp]

h again, on 17 August 2022 - 12:35 PM, said:

Absolutely. And I'm still not a big fan of Quigley, despite a 100% improvement on last season, but he does give a different option. Like I said, very fine margins, but KT has got to come in.

I agree that at some stage Tshimanga will come back into the side but who doesn't start then remains the question. Similarly, what happens if and when Danny Rowe and Jack Clarke are back to full fitness etc. We will have even more strength in depth and can only play 11 and name 5 subs. At least, that's PC's problem and not ours.

[valemadness]

Mr Mercury, on 16 August 2022 - 03:54 PM, said:

£2 extra per ticket if you buy on match day, then an extra £2 on top of that if you request they print it off is a rip off in todays financial world. Poor from a community club.
And if Wrexham have got printed tickets from us then have they been charged £2 extra and if not why not?

Possibly because there was no option for them to be able to buy online and therefore that would be seen as discrimination if they were charged the extra.
Our tickets can still be bought online until an hour before kick off to avoid any extra charges.
IMO they should produce a membership card (as I've been saying for the last 5 years) for say £20 a season, which would eliminate the need for paper tickets and then people could avoid that extra charge, especially if they don't have a phone.

[Westbars Spireite]

valemadness, on 17 August 2022 - 01:17 PM, said:

Possibly because there was no option for them to be able to buy online and therefore that would be seen as discrimination if they were charged the extra.
Our tickets can still be bought online until an hour before kick off to avoid any extra charges.
IMO they should produce a membership card (as I've been saying for the last 5 years) for say £20 a season, which would eliminate the need for paper tickets and then people could avoid that extra charge, especially if they don't have a phone.

If they had thought about it, a better way to position it would be to increase the actual prices by £2 a ticket and call it a discount for self-printing/mobile ticket.

[lindave]

Mr Mercury, on 17 August 2022 - 11:54 AM, said:

Quigley and unplayable won't ever be in the same sentence for me, sorry.

I'm not a massive fan of his but Cooke seems to be getting the best out of him, but personally I'd rather see Kabby and Asante up front and can't wait for a fully fit Rowe to return.

[DIFH]

Mr Mercury, on 17 August 2022 - 11:54 AM, said:

Quigley and unplayable won’t ever be in the same sentence for me, sorry.

Sorry but I just don’t get it when people watch a game and they can’t see the big picture.

Quigley was a basket case last season but he’s done his pre season and got himself into shape. Wrexham CB’s and midfield struggled with him all the game, even those occasions when he was isolated and we wanted him to flick on or hold the ball. Finishing his is nemesis but for work rate, for battling and controlling the ball he was a handful last night and deserves congratulations for his efforts.

[Andy Rolph's Son]

h again, on 17 August 2022 - 12:35 PM, said:

Absolutely. And I'm still not a big fan of Quigley, despite a 100% improvement on last season, but he does give a different option. Like I said, very fine margins, but KT has got to come in.

Agreed. When you think back to Cook's team here a few years ago, he had Doyle as his striker and KT is similar...a quick poacher. I'd expect Kabby to come back in when he's up to speed.

[h again]

DIFH, on 17 August 2022 - 02:19 PM, said:

Sorry but I just don’t get it when people watch a game and they can’t see the big picture.

Quigley was a basket case last season but he’s done his pre season and got himself into shape. Wrexham CB’s and midfield struggled with him all the game, even those occasions when he was isolated and we wanted him to flick on or hold the ball. Finishing his is nemesis but for work rate, for battling and controlling the ball he was a handful last night and deserves congratulations for his efforts.

The Wrexham defence struggled with everybody, not just Quigley, because they couldn't cope with the speed of thought and movement. Quigley did extremely well, but he's the type of player NL defenders can cope with at a push. Still gives us the aerial option though, as well as holding the ball up. I think he'll get plenty of games this season.

[Arthur Cox’s Boots]

Sums it up perfectly taken from their message board

As much as it pains me to say it, you have to give credits to Chesterfield. Very well organized in defence and a dynamic team who play good football. On the basis of that game I could easily see them challenging for the title. 2-0 really flattered us, it easily could have been 4-0

While easy to blame Howard, it was a very poor (and needless pass from Tozer who put him under pressure. We were plodding and predictable and no doubt easy for a competent manager like Cook to work out. We seemed to just carry on hoping a set piece would eventually come good. Looking how Chesterfield played football and showed some imagination it was hard not to have a bit of envy.

[Mr Mercury]

But reading their message board they all seem to be making the same mistake..that they have brilliant L1 players who are just being badly managed…I think it’s more likely that their players aren’t as good as the supporters, the management, or indeed the players themselves, think they are. Brillliant players show they are regardless of manager or set up!

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 17 August 2022 - 07:38 PM

[azul]

Mr Mercury, on 17 August 2022 - 07:19 PM, said:

But reading their message board they all seem to making the same mistake..that they have brilliant L1 players who are just being badly managed…I think it’s more likely that their players aren’t as good as the supporters, the management, or indeed the players themselves, think they are. Brillliant players show they are regardless of manager or set up!

Tozer is a particular case in point - rated only for long throws and even they weren’t that good last night

[lindave]

Just watching Solihull v York, 0-0 ht, what a load of garbage from both sides. If either of those played us last night we would have scored 5, neither have any pace/.

[dtp]

Mr Mercury, on 17 August 2022 - 07:19 PM, said:

But reading their message board they all seem to making the same mistake..that they have brilliant L1 players who are just being badly managed…I think it’s more likely that their players aren’t as good as the supporters, the management, or indeed the players themselves, think they are. Brillliant players show they are regardless of manager or set up!

Possibly the biggest issue at Wrexham in the changing room is concern about who's earning the most spendoolos. It's one thing paying transfer fees higher than a player is worth but it's another paying that player more than he could earn in higher leagues then bringing in another player who wants more and then another and another. Then all their players appear to have been signed to fit their manager's style of play.

So, move on, and let's suppose PP's tactics continue to prove unsuccessful. What then? In comes another manager with different ideas and wanting to bring in his own players to fit his own style of play. However, he has the current squad of players on wages much higher than they can expect elsewhere and somehow has to try and move them on. Guess who's in the driving seat - the new manager or an unwanted player on high wages with another couple of years on his contract?

How this pans out remains to be seen but, as fans, we knew what to expect from PP's Wrexham before they came to town. So did our management team and we negated their strengths very efficiently. As such, and as they virtually only have one way of playing every manager in our league know what to expect now so will plan to counter that. In the long run we will have to see how this pans out but I didn't see last night any hint of any player of theirs showing individual surprise skills to threaten defences in other ways.

[Waller is my hero]

dtp, on 17 August 2022 - 07:59 PM, said:

Possibly the biggest issue at Wrexham in the changing room is concern about who's earning the most spendoolos. It's one thing paying transfer fees higher than a player is worth but it's another paying that player more than he could earn in higher leagues then bringing in another player who wants more and then another and another. Then all their players appear to have been signed to fit their manager's style of play.

So, move on, and let's suppose PP's tactics continue to prove unsuccessful. What then? In comes another manager with different ideas and wanting to bring in his own players to fit his own style of play. However, he has the current squad of players on wages much higher than they can expect elsewhere and somehow has to try and move them on. Guess who's in the driving seat - the new manager or an unwanted player on high wages with another couple of years on his contract?

How this pans out remains to be seen but, as fans, we knew what to expect from PP's Wrexham before they came to town. So did our management team and we negated their strengths very efficiently. As such, and as they virtually only have one way of playing every manager in our league know what to expect now so will plan to counter that. In the long run we will have to see how this pans out but I didn't see last night any hint of any player of theirs showing individual surprise skills to threaten defences in other ways.

Said this ages ago……unless they have consistent success..at some point the whole project becomes unsustainable…throwing money after money…becomes a proverbial money pit

[Mr Mercury]

dtp, on 17 August 2022 - 07:59 PM, said:

Possibly the biggest issue at Wrexham in the changing room is concern about who's earning the most spendoolos. It's one thing paying transfer fees higher than a player is worth but it's another paying that player more than he could earn in higher leagues then bringing in another player who wants more and then another and another. Then all their players appear to have been signed to fit their manager's style of play.

So, move on, and let's suppose PP's tactics continue to prove unsuccessful. What then? In comes another manager with different ideas and wanting to bring in his own players to fit his own style of play. However, he has the current squad of players on wages much higher than they can expect elsewhere and somehow has to try and move them on. Guess who's in the driving seat - the new manager or an unwanted player on high wages with another couple of years on his contract?

How this pans out remains to be seen but, as fans, we knew what to expect from PP's Wrexham before they came to town. So did our management team and we negated their strengths very efficiently. As such, and as they virtually only have one way of playing every manager in our league know what to expect now so will plan to counter that. In the long run we will have to see how this pans out but I didn't see last night any hint of any player of theirs showing individual surprise skills to threaten defences in other ways.

PP virtually admitted what they do in his post match interview..if they not in front early doors they pump balls into the box quickly…it would seem most managers now at this level understands this, fans sussed this out before managers btw, they’ll have the quality to override this on some occasions but not on other. I think a managerial change is almost inevitable in the next 6/7 games unless they get a good return and then it’s a case of rebuild rebuild, which won’t be cheap.

[Mr Mercury]

Fair play to Wrexham fans for calling these tools out..
I’ll try to re do the link
http://www.redpassio...barrassing.html

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 17 August 2022 - 08:36 PM

[Goku]

https://youtu.be/P4yasl7gDsM

Highlights

[azul]

Waller is my hero, on 17 August 2022 - 08:12 PM, said:

Said this ages ago……unless they have consistent success..at some point the whole project becomes unsustainable…throwing money after money…becomes a proverbial money pit

More risk that ‘Welcome to Wrexham’ Series 3 will be cancelled if they don’t go up this year. I’m sure the project will continue in some form