[Bucknobs]

Just read that the EFL are considering upping promotion spots in our league from 2 to 3. About time so let’s hope! Three up three down!

[Sammy Spireite]

Where did you read that?

I’d seen the NL had said they’d welcome it but doubt they have any power with the EFL and I’d be stunned if the EFL members ( the clubs) voted for it.

[Siberian Spireite]

Bucknobs, on 08 June 2022 - 08:38 AM, said:

Just read that the EFL are considering upping promotion spots in our league from 2 to 3. About time so let’s hope! Three up three down!

Like any League Two supporter, you wouldn't have had that view if we were still in that division, I guess.
However, it will probably happen eventually when enough better-supported clubs like ourselves have been overtaken by lesser-supported clubs like Forest Green, Morecambe etc. Same will happen in Scotland at the bottom of their League Two..... eventually.

[Toddhopper.]

Siberian Spireite, on 08 June 2022 - 08:53 AM, said:

Like any League Two supporter, you wouldn't have had that view if we were still in that division, I guess.
However, it will probably happen eventually when enough better-supported clubs like ourselves have been overtaken by lesser-supported clubs like Forest Green, Morecambe etc. Same will happen in Scotland at the bottom of their League Two..... eventually.

don’t agree. It reduces the level of disaster getting relegated is. That means it’s beneficial to League 2 as well as the NL. I can say hand on heart I’ve supported 3 up 3 down for years before we were relegated.

[Valley Blues]

Toddhopper., on 08 June 2022 - 09:02 AM, said:

don’t agree. It reduces the level of disaster getting relegated is. That means it’s beneficial to League 2 as well as the NL. I can say hand on heart I’ve supported 3 up 3 down for years before we were relegated.

Does it reduce the level of disaster or increase the level of a reduced disaster?

[DerbySpireite59]

Toddhopper., on 08 June 2022 - 09:02 AM, said:

don’t agree. It reduces the level of disaster getting relegated is. That means it’s beneficial to League 2 as well as the NL. I can say hand on heart I’ve supported 3 up 3 down for years before we were relegated.

I too have long been an advocate, but for 4 up 4 down. The difference between L2 and NL is, and has long been, neglible. A turnaround of 8 teams a season would actually help make L2 far more entertaining.

[martatcross]

Bucknobs, on 08 June 2022 - 08:38 AM, said:

Just read that the EFL are considering upping promotion spots in our league from 2 to 3. About time so let’s hope! Three up three down!

I read it as entering dialogue. That sadly means nothing . The turkeys won't vote for Christmas in my opinion

[jack bauer]

DerbySpireite57, on 08 June 2022 - 09:13 AM, said:

I too have long been an advocate, but for 4 up 4 down. The difference between L2 and NL is, and has long been, neglible. A turnaround of 8 teams a season would actually help make L2 far more entertaining.

absolutely all for this and i've made the point before that if you finish a season 21st out of 24 after 46 games you aren't really in a position to moan about being relegated.

[Town_Fan]

I think the EFL are starting to realise that its losing some very big clubs through the NL trapdoor and they are being replaced by bankrolled tinpot set ups thus actually diluting the quality of the product.

[KevoBMMD]

I think this is just a publicity stunt to regain lost confidence and support for the NL Management.

They will have very little say in what happens regarding Promo/Relegation, as it will be more an EFL Decision than NL.

Following all the negative media from the Play Off Finals with the Location, ticket prices and stern response from the League sponsors, Vanarama, I think it is something they know all the teams are after and think it will bring them back on side.

[s42blue]

I don’t understand all this tin pot stuff. Is it because they historically have lower crowds? There were plenty of times I went to Saltergate with c2500-3000 crowds.

If I was a FGR fan I’d be laughing right now. The quality of their bank rolled product is and has been better than ours. We are sadly where we are because we haven’t been good enough. No God given right to be in the EFL.

Let’s not be so arrogant to forget this.

[metallilad]

s42blue, on 08 June 2022 - 10:35 AM, said:

I don’t understand all this tin pot stuff. Is it because they historically have lower crowds? There were plenty of times I went to Saltergate with c2500-3000 crowds.
If I was a FGR fan I’d be laughing right now. The quality of their bank rolled product is and has been better than ours. We are sadly where we are because we haven’t been good enough. No God given right to be in the EFL.

Let’s not be so arrogant to forget this.

Tinpot clubs like Salford, Sutton etc. I suppose you could include Forest Green in that aswell.
You take out the owners of these clubs and you have relegation fodder straight back down to their level. If they ever take 20,000+ support to matches then they can comeback at me and laugh then but these clubs Don't have the history that clubs like ourselves, Notts County, Wrexham etc have. We all have support and have the capability of selling a massive allocation for any Wembley final or big matches. Most of our away crowds match some of the true support for these clubs.

[Town_Fan]

s42blue, on 08 June 2022 - 10:35 AM, said:

I don’t understand all this tin pot stuff. Is it because they historically have lower crowds? There were plenty of times I went to Saltergate with c2500-3000 crowds.

If I was a FGR fan I’d be laughing right now. The quality of their bank rolled product is and has been better than ours. We are sadly where we are because we haven’t been good enough. No God given right to be in the EFL.

Let’s not be so arrogant to forget this.

You probably think Solihull reneging on their ticket obligations and filling the away end with neutrals was a good idea. BS like this is why the word tinpot gets thrown about.

[s42blue]

Town_Fan, on 08 June 2022 - 11:05 AM, said:

You probably think Solihull reneging on their ticket obligations and filling the away end with neutrals was a good idea. BS like this is why the word tinpot gets thrown about.

I dislike what SM did immensely and if you read the thread relating to it you’d find plenty of my comments. They didn’t renege. They gave us the minimum they were obliged to. I just think the term is arrogant.

[Tha Knows...]

Sh it ground, no fans clubs in artificial positions thanks to sugar daddies. Fleetwood are another.

[Holmesc1]

These comments are typical of long serveing efl clubs now in the national league. You dont get promoted on crowds. A team could win the national league on crowds of 2k and one getting 10k could be mid-table. 3 up 3 down will see more clubs bankrolled but also more yo yo teams im sure. I suppose you could call barrow and sutton tinpot as there grounds are garbage and should not be allowed in efl but other smaller clubs like salford, forest green etc have at least invested in grounds. So they would maybe go down of owners left but that applies to most other clubs in the efl too

[Toddhopper.]

I understand the tinpot accusation but the truth is I’d love us to be bankrolled so we could be tinpot in the Premier League!!

[Bucknobs]

Sammy Spireite, on 08 June 2022 - 08:39 AM, said:

Where did you read that?

I’d seen the NL had said they’d welcome it but doubt they have any power with the EFL and I’d be stunned if the EFL members ( the clubs) voted for it.

https://www.derbyshi...-to-efl-3722221

[Holmesc1]

Bucknobs, on 08 June 2022 - 01:35 PM, said:

https://www.derbyshi...-to-efl-3722221

Believe it when i see it. I think if it goes to 3 up 3 down them ground standards need tightening and the national league making fully pro, lets be honest its more a less that way anyway

Toddhopper., on 08 June 2022 - 01:03 PM, said:

I understand the tinpot accusation but the truth is I’d love us to be bankrolled so we could be tinpot in the Premier League!!

The stadiums sure good enough but dont think any team has gone from non league to premier league, generally hit the buffers at league 1

[Tha Knows...]

Holmesc1, on 08 June 2022 - 12:54 PM, said:

These comments are typical of long serveing efl clubs now in the national league. You dont get promoted on crowds. A team could win the national league on crowds of 2k and one getting 10k could be mid-table. 3 up 3 down will see more clubs bankrolled but also more yo yo teams im sure. I suppose you could call barrow and sutton tinpot as there grounds are garbage and should not be allowed in efl but other smaller clubs like salford, forest green etc have at least invested in grounds. So they would maybe go down of owners left but that applies to most other clubs in the efl too

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed in EFL, they have won promotions. For me it's regrettable that clubs with long and strong connections with communities are not represented higher than those simply bankrolled by an individual