[Sammy Spireite]

Wouldn’t surprise me to see changes on the bench too.

Webb has taken a real back seat in recent weeks and surely will have found it tough since Cookie brought his own right hand man in.

I expect him to move on.

[1978blue]

hilly81, on 29 May 2022 - 08:27 PM, said:

Croll is our best centre back and it’s not even close.

I agree , I'm a big fan of Croll , just hope he can stay fit👍

[LondonBlue]

Sammy Spireite, on 29 May 2022 - 08:30 PM, said:

Wouldn’t surprise me to see changes on the bench too.

Webb has taken a real back seat in recent weeks and surely will have found it tough since Cookie brought his own right hand man in.

I expect him to move on.

Agree

[Bobby Darling]

born in 1866, on 29 May 2022 - 04:20 PM, said:

Regardless of their contracts, as you can transfer list them or renew them.
What is your retained list for next season?
I'll start.
Hollis
Croll
Grimes
King
Oyeleke
Khan
Kabby
Clarke
Whittle
Mandeville
Carline
Rowe

Dons tin hat

Oyeleke no. We were warned by Vale fans on this board that despite being a good player he’s injury prone. And he is.

[Bobby Darling]

gordon_brittas, on 29 May 2022 - 05:09 PM, said:

My biggest worry is that Tschimanga will be sold if a sizeable offer comes in. Lots of talk of Stockport coming in with an offer in the close season. I know they enquired for him in January and it was turned down, but they will come again I fear.

Stockport didn’t inquire about Tshimanga in January. Why do you post that? Please explain your source? Stop having a fixation about Wrexham and Stockport.

[Walton Spireite]

Bobby Darling, on 29 May 2022 - 08:46 PM, said:

Oyeleke no. We were warned by Vale fans on this board that despite being a good player he’s injury prone. And he is.

Get rid we can't be carrying players who play less than 50 percent of games.

[Waller is my hero]

Walton Spireite, on 29 May 2022 - 08:53 PM, said:

Get rid we can't be carrying players who play less than 50 percent of games.

Agree on this….Oyeleke is a great player but needs to be 100% fit

Cookie is all about consistency & plays the same team as much as he can….especially the critical spine of the team. It’s the main reason he had success here last time.
It was a bridge too far today, but you can see Cooks identity set in the team & the way we play.

[Tha Knows...]

Walton Spireite, on 29 May 2022 - 08:53 PM, said:

Get rid we can't be carrying players who play less than 50 percent of games.

Does that include Croll?

[jack bauer]

ok, so if we have to retain everyone under contract it makes it a compromise still doesn't it because there are players who are under contract who should be outted.
can't be any room for 2nd or 3rd chances, we've fallen victim to this too many times.

so i'd release the following;
weston, mandeville, minter, kellerman, mccourt, tyson, payne, denton, hollis, kerr, rowley.

there are question marks over a few others but that's my starting point which makes 11 out, 5 or 6 in and we have to hope that the likes of tschimanga, rowe, carline and clarke can play a full season and be the players we have seen

[Bobby Darling]

Tiptoe thru the Cross St, on 29 May 2022 - 09:49 PM, said:

Does that include Croll?

Most certainly. Unfortunately.

[The Whistler]

gordon_brittas, on 29 May 2022 - 05:09 PM, said:

My biggest worry is that Tschimanga will be sold if a sizeable offer comes in. Lots of talk of Stockport coming in with an offer in the close season. I know they enquired for him in January and it was turned down, but they will come again I fear.

Stockport came in for ASANTE at a starting bid of £100k.

[Bobby Darling]

Name the agent please. He was injured then. And has returned out to be less than what you proposed. I know what geezer at Stockport who would suggest you’re fibbing. He said and I paraphrase “ why would we bid for a striker who wasn’t Div 1/2 proven?.

[Bobby Darling]

The Whistler, on 29 May 2022 - 11:53 PM, said:

Stockport came in for ASANTE at a starting bid of £100k.

Not according do the Board did they . He was just returning to fitness . £100 big ones for Asante. We would have snapped their hands off. You know that didn’t happen. Nick and Sam say he needs to move agents. You’re under pressure.

[Tha Knows...]

jack bauer, on 29 May 2022 - 10:03 PM, said:

ok, so if we have to retain everyone under contract it makes it a compromise still doesn't it because there are players who are under contract who should be outted.
can't be any room for 2nd or 3rd chances, we've fallen victim to this too many times.

so i'd release the following;
weston, mandeville, minter, kellerman, mccourt, tyson, payne, denton, hollis, kerr, rowley.

there are question marks over a few others but that's my starting point which makes 11 out, 5 or 6 in and we have to hope that the likes of tschimanga, rowe, carline and clarke can play a full season and be the players we have seen

If Mandy played like yesterday every game no one would want him to leave

[monte]

Bobby Darling, on 29 May 2022 - 08:46 PM, said:

Oyeleke no. We were warned by Vale fans on this board that despite being a good player he’s injury prone. And he is.

Thing is we're a LOT better with him than without. Isn't it better to have him for 25-30 games...

For me its

Kabby
King
Grimes or Croll
Hollis or Kerr
Manny O
Miller (As left winger / LB cover if they can train him to not try and beat a man 4x)
Whittle
Rowe (if he's okay)
Kellerman (hoping with a cookie full pre-season he can be as good as he was)
Asante
Khan
Clarke

Mandy if cheap
Laurance M if cheap
Carline if cheap
Williams (as a right back if cheap)

Which is 13-16

Plus Loach (if he under contract)

Priorities would be

A Goalie
A quick centre half
A Manny type midfeilder
A winger (to push king/miller and Asante)
A striker

This post has been edited by monte: 30 May 2022 - 09:45 AM

[prolurker]

Looking at a Starting XI plus 8 subs as cover and probably a few youngens including a keeper.

New GK - (As mentioned, Loach a good shot stopper but he can't claim anything out the air and he's got poor distribution)
King
New CB
New CB
Whittle

Manny (If he can prove fitness, he's too good for this league it's just about keeping him fit)
New CM

New Wide Player
Clarke
New Wide Player

Kabby

Bench: Rowe, Carline, Khan, Maguire, Asante, Williams, Mandeville, Miller


Leaves released: Loach, Minter, McCourt, Denton, Tyson, Rowley, Payne, Kellerman, Hollis, Weston, Kerr, Grimes (pains me as he's been decent just isn't a cook player)
In Contract Players to move on: Whelan, Quigley (heard Cook already wants his contract paying up), Gunning (off to Fylde?)

[frearsghost]

Its not just a case of retaining the best players. The big quesion is, will Cook retain good players who, through injury, only play half a season or so? It's a difficult one. I think the answer has to be no. I think we also have to identify why so many players fell to injury. Clarke for example, returned to training but fell at the first hurdle. Why? Was is just fate or was the recovery schedule badly handled. Without a shadow of doubt, injuries have done us this season. I firmly believe that without them, Rowe assembled the best in depth squad in the league and would have won it at a canter.

This post has been edited by frearsghost: 30 May 2022 - 10:16 AM

[dtp]

Tiptoe thru the Cross St, on 30 May 2022 - 07:17 AM, said:

If Mandy played like yesterday every game no one would want him to leave

I thought he played quite well up to the point when I posted that I thought he was playing quite well.

He was decent in the first 20 minutes or so but where was he in the second half?

Then add in his performance against Halifax and I would argue he was lucky to get a starting berth yesterday.

And then, of course, over the season the only thing in his favour was that he was able to play the number of games which he did when others were unable to do so.

[dtp]

prolurker, on 30 May 2022 - 09:51 AM, said:

Looking at a Starting XI plus 8 subs as cover and probably a few youngens including a keeper.

New GK - (As mentioned, Loach a good shot stopper but he can't claim anything out the air and he's got poor distribution)
King
New CB
New CB
Whittle

Manny (If he can prove fitness, he's too good for this league it's just about keeping him fit)
New CM

New Wide Player
Clarke
New Wide Player

Kabby

Bench: Rowe, Carline, Khan, Maguire, Asante, Williams, Mandeville, Miller


Leaves released: Loach, Minter, McCourt, Denton, Tyson, Rowley, Payne, Kellerman, Hollis, Weston, Kerr, Grimes (pains me as he's been decent just isn't a cook player)
In Contract Players to move on: Whelan, Quigley (heard Cook already wants his contract paying up), Gunning (off to Fylde?)

So, who have you heard that from about Cook regarding Quigley?

[kh83]

James Rowe is dynamite, on 29 May 2022 - 05:12 PM, said:

Miller must stay

Complete baller at this level

I like him. He runs his socks off and he's a pest but his end product is almost non existent. Similar to Mandeville, I'd get rid of them both