[The Earl of Chesterfield]

..but no one in their right mind could call that a convincing performance.

And we can't blame the Rowe thing entirely, as we've been becomming ever more ordinary for quite some time. Where's the high press gone? The ball to feet stuff? Playing through the lines? The "invasion football"?

Then without wanting to labour the point too much, the Quigley signing defies logic. We had a proven player to perform the target man roll yet blew wedge needed elsewhere on a bloke who looked like a passenger yest'di. After being preferred to Asante, too.

As a result the division's best marksman was left isolated, feeding on aimless punts and scruffy scraps.

Y'know, we were all brimming with enthusiasm for the second half the season. A team winning against the odds, faces to return and Chelsea cash to bolster key areas. However Rowe ripped up that side resulting in a bewilderingly lacklustre forty five against Halifax then struggled to overcome KL. We thought he'd seen the light against Barnet, but first Maidenhead then Aldershot then...well, we all know, don't we...

One thing's for certain - we need a manager who'll play to our strengths. And that manager, be it James Rowe or A. N. Other, needs to be in place pronto...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 30 January 2022 - 09:13 AM

[Westbars Spireite]

During open play Tshimanga is clearly at his best playing off the shoulder of the defender, running the channels and trying to burst into a foot race with a retreating defender.

The way we've played in the last two games pretty much nullifies the impact of our star player.

[Trigger]

I think we need to pack the midfield more and find a pass thats not a punt to the shortest man on the pitch. Get them to move through the midfield third as a unit and use the fullbacks as an outlet to get round the back. The forwards seem to play too much in the box which allows the defence to crowd them out of games easily. If they made later runs or pull the defence wider this would give a more packed midfield to advance in to the gaps to create more opportunities either for themselves or to bring kabby back in to play.

Summets has to change because we have no hope of beating the stronger sides in this division playing long ball to kabby for 90+ mins.

[Jud]

Westbars Spireite, on 30 January 2022 - 08:56 AM, said:

During open play Tshimanga is clearly at his best playing off the shoulder of the defender, running the channels and trying to burst into a foot race with a retreating defender.

The way we've played in the last two games pretty much nullifies the impact of our star player.

It's hard not to overthink when you're desperate to keep a player so I realise this is probably me nervously projecting but I thought he looked pretty miffed when he came off, too. Absolutely justified, too, because it felt at times like he was having to play both roles. The lad can't lay it off for himself although he certainly tried. I'm hoping Quigley is just getting used to the altitude or something but I'm yet to see a player there...

[Tha Knows...]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 30 January 2022 - 08:47 AM, said:

..but no one in their right mind could call that a convincing performance.

And we can't blame the Rowe thing entirely, as we've been becomming ever more ordinary for quite some time. Where's the high press gone? The ball to feet stuff? Playing through the lines? The "invasion football"?

Then without wanting to labour the point too much, the Quigley signing defies logic. We had a proven player to perform the target man roll yet blew wedge needed elsewhere on a bloke who looked like a passenger yest'di. After being preferred to Asante, too.

As a result the division's best marksman was left isolatated, feeding on aimless punts and scruffy scraps.

Y'know, we were all brimming with enthusiasm for the second half the season. A team winning against the odds, faces to return and Chelsea cash to bolster key areas. However Rowe ripped up that side resulting in a bewilderingly lacklustre forty five against Halifax then struggled to overcome KL. We thought he'd seen the light against Barnet, but first Maidenhead then Aldershot then...well, we all know, don't we...

One thing's for certain - we need a manager who'll play to our strengths. And that manager, be it James Rowe or A. N. Other, needs to be in place pronto...

This.
But would Rowe revert to the way we were playing? I'm not sure.

Trigger, on 30 January 2022 - 08:57 AM, said:

I think we need to pack the midfield more and find a pass thats not a punt to the shortest man on the pitch. Get them to move through the midfield third as a unit and use the fullbacks as an outlet to get round the back. The forwards seem to play too much in the box which allows the defence to crowd them out of games easily. If they made later runs or pull the defence wider this would give a more packed midfield to advance in to the gaps to create more opportunities either for themselves or to bring kabby back in to play.

Summets has to change because we have no hope of beating the stronger sides in this division playing long ball to kabby for 90+ mins.

And this. But I think it we need fresh legs in the middle, not just more legs.

[Westbars Spireite]

Either Rowe returns and sets us up better in final third or someone else hopefully will. He and AA might well work as a traditional two, but on his own with Mandeville, Khan + 1 in behind threading the balls into channels and getting men up out wide could be equally effective.

Whatever, lumping it won't work as the 'big' man Quigley shrinks quicker than Andy Morris in the air.

[bucko]

If you look at this season,

We started with Rowe and Tshimanga, worked really well , with Rowe dropping deep at times but with skill to put players in.

Payne and Tshimanga, again worked well, Payne whilst not scoring , was a handful and his workrate created space and opportunities for Tshimanga

Then we played with two 10's behind Tshimanga, and again it worked Mandeville with either Khan or Kellermann.

Now we are trying 2 up top, lumping it long to a target man, and we are creating nothing from open play.

For me we've got to try and get Asante and Tshimanga to play together and that means giving them a few games, or we go back to Tshimanga with two 10's, and then plan B with Denton/Quigley.

[Search & Destroy]

Jack

Such a massive miss

Apart from the friendly v Bradford have we seen Manny Jack and Khan in the middle

The funds we there and I reckon we’d have got that guy from Notts but for this sh1tstorm.

That 3 with Asante/Mandy and Kabby would be beautiful

[jack bauer]

the style has gone out of our play in recent weeks, looking at yesterdays line up we were without oyeleke, clarke, king, miller, khan, rowe... start of the season most of these were in the side and we were playing football.

[Fit as a Nelson]

It’s surely got to be a choice between Denton or Quigley for the bench as plan B when chasing a game, I don’t understand why we can’t just pass the ball.

[Blue95]

Can’t understand why Khan and AA aren’t getting much game time.

[DIFH]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 30 January 2022 - 08:47 AM, said:

..but no one in their right mind could call that a convincing performance.

And we can't blame the Rowe thing entirely, as we've been becomming ever more ordinary for quite some time. Where's the high press gone? The ball to feet stuff? Playing through the lines? The "invasion football"?

Then without wanting to labour the point too much, the Quigley signing defies logic. We had a proven player to perform the target man roll yet blew wedge needed elsewhere on a bloke who looked like a passenger yest'di. After being preferred to Asante, too.

As a result the division's best marksman was left isolated, feeding on aimless punts and scruffy scraps.

Y'know, we were all brimming with enthusiasm for the second half the season. A team winning against the odds, faces to return and Chelsea cash to bolster key areas. However Rowe ripped up that side resulting in a bewilderingly lacklustre forty five against Halifax then struggled to overcome KL. We thought he'd seen the light against Barnet, but first Maidenhead then Aldershot then...well, we all know, don't we...

One thing's for certain - we need a manager who'll play to our strengths. And that manager, be it James Rowe or A. N. Other, needs to be in place pronto...

Our strongest and best earlier performances were down to our midfield permutations whereby we got Khan Kellerman Oyeleke Manderville and Rowe combining. Once again chopping and changing for injuries is still the route cause of laboured performances.

Oyeleke is paramount to our better performances with Khan one of those capable of bringing the ball out of areas and driving with the ball at feet.

We obviously set up who ever the opposition but we are struggling to break down 10 men behind the ball. The high ball to Tshimanga is strange but probably down to the lack of control in midfield in different games. Our wing backs King and Miller have both been missing / carrying knocks of late and really crosses when made have no apparent target man or reason. Working the ball through midfield was our success and we must get back to it to return to consistent form.

We lack a box to box midfielder who can consistently command a regular place and thus get us into more of a settled starting line up.

[charleyfarley11]

bucko, on 30 January 2022 - 09:20 AM, said:

If you look at this season,

We started with Rowe and Tshimanga, worked really well , with Rowe dropping deep at times but with skill to put players in.

Payne and Tshimanga, again worked well, Payne whilst not scoring , was a handful and his workrate created space and opportunities for Tshimanga

Then we played with two 10's behind Tshimanga, and again it worked Mandeville with either Khan or Kellermann.

Now we are trying 2 up top, lumping it long to a target man, and we are creating nothing from open play.

For me we've got to try and get Asante and Tshimanga to play together and that means giving them a few games, or we go back to Tshimanga with two 10's, and then plan B with Denton/Quigley.

Great post. Imo we were at our best with midfield runners supporting kabongo, playing to feet, using attacking wingbacks. I be tempted to go back to that, especially against the stronger sides as its obvious lumping it is not working. It totally nullifies one of the strongest parts of our game, the wingbacks.

If Cook does come back I think he plays 4231 , don't think any of his sides have played 3 at the back so be interesting if he does come in

Id go

Loach
Kroll McGuire grimes
King Weston oyaleke miller
Mandeville Khan
Kabongo

[Hoare (400)]

Ok it wasnt pretty, but all championship winning sides will have a 3-4 match blip where questions get asked. They and us dont become bad sides over night, and hopefully we will ride this out asap.

The Club it seems is in a transition period, albeit a very unexpected one, and the sooner we have a manager in charge the better, if that is James Rowe, great if not so be it, but we cant afford to waste time sorting this out.

If I was the supporters of other clubs I would think that Chesterfield seem to be getting the breaks, getting lucky sometimes, and are a side that wont give in, take into consideration the brilliant support we have, I still think its ours to lose. Yes there will be bumps in the road, but all the other sides are on that same road to and they will experience it as well.



Hoare (400)

[DIFH]

Hoare (400), on 30 January 2022 - 10:54 AM, said:

Ok it wasnt pretty, but all championship winning sides will have a 3-4 match blip where questions get asked. They and us dont become bad sides over night, and hopefully we will ride this out asap.

The Club it seems is in a transition period, albeit a very unexpected one, and the sooner we have a manager in charge the better, if that is James Rowe, great if not so be it, but we cant afford to waste time sorting this out.

If I was the supporters of other clubs I would think that Chesterfield seem to be getting the breaks, getting lucky sometimes, and are a side that wont give in, take into consideration the brilliant support we have, I still think its ours to lose. Yes there will be bumps in the road, but all the other sides are on that same road to and they will experience it as well.



Hoare (400)

Correct, ask Wrectum and Notts yesterday.

[dim view]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 30 January 2022 - 08:47 AM, said:

..but no one in their right mind could call that a convincing performance.

And we can't blame the Rowe thing entirely, as we've been becomming ever more ordinary for quite some time. Where's the high press gone? The ball to feet stuff? Playing through the lines? The "invasion football"?

It can't be done without our technicians, King, Miller, Rowe, Clarke; or their reinforcements.

My reading is that we will return to Tshimanga up front with 4 good un's just behind him when we have the resources.

That means Quigley is no more than a younger more mobile replacement for Denton, to be used accordingly, and that Asante will have to bide his time this season and share the role with Tshimanga.

Quigley will be a squad man in competition with another new CF in the fullness of time. Both will have to prove themselves via Plan B. This, I believe, is the masterplan. Simple.

[Westbars Spireite]

dim view, on 30 January 2022 - 11:14 AM, said:

It can't be done without our technicians, King, Miller, Rowe, Clarke; or their reinforcements.

My reading is that we will return to Tshimanga up front with 4 good un's just behind him when we have the resources.

That means Quigley is no more than a younger more mobile replacement for Denton, to be used accordingly, and that Asante will have to bide his time this season and share the role with Tshimanga.

Quigley will be a squad man in competition with another new CF in the fullness of time. Both will have to prove themselves via Plan B. This, I believe, is the masterplan. Simple.

Whatever masterplan there might have been has just walked out the door and may well not be returning.

[h again]

dim view, on 30 January 2022 - 11:14 AM, said:

It can't be done without our technicians, King, Miller, Rowe, Clarke; or their reinforcements.

My reading is that we will return to Tshimanga up front with 4 good un's just behind him when we have the resources.

That means Quigley is no more than a younger more mobile replacement for Denton, to be used accordingly, and that Asante will have to bide his time this season and share the role with Tshimanga.

Quigley will be a squad man in competition with another new CF in the fullness of time. Both will have to prove themselves via Plan B. This, I believe, is the masterplan. Simple.

You seem to have come to the conclusion that Asante and Tschimanga can't play together as twin strikers, mainly because the midfield aren't good enough to break down massed defences. I'm inclined to agree with you, as always.
But it would be bit embarassing to have a striker permanently on the bench who'd be the automatic first choice anywhere else in this Division, and arguably the one above it, and I can't see Asante taking it kindly when he must be desperate to get back playing regular football.
Dilemma for the new Manager (alleged), and one that JR wasn't looking like solving.

[lindave]

Asante and Kabby were on fire at Barnet and split Chelsea apart in the cup for the goal.