[Goku]

DV likes to set the cat amongst the pigeons occasionally.

[dim view]

Westbars Spireite, on 30 January 2022 - 01:59 PM, said:

For one of our most esteemed and respected posters ...

....steady!! You must have got me mixed up.

I'm sat here today wondering what the odds are that Kabongo's high value will be preserved if JR's position is not resolved by tomorrow night.

It's guesswork but on the assumption that an acceptable bid was on the table I'd take it, put Asante up front, and strengthen big time in other positions including another striker.

Thinking on, I suppose it's all connected to whether our promotion odds will be reduced and whether Kabongo is less settled, if Rowe leaves. I think 'yes' and 'yes', but it's only a hypothetical discussion.

[TheSpireite1866]

dim view, on 30 January 2022 - 01:31 PM, said:

I personally am crossing my fingers that Kabongo moves on tomorrow for a very large fee. Best for everybody.

Clearly a Mansfield or County fan..embarrassing.

[dim view]

Tiptoe thru the Cross St, on 30 January 2022 - 02:31 PM, said:

DV trying to post an alternative view for the sake of it, regardless of common sense.. again.

which was the last example?

Do you not think that Board members will have to go through that process if an acceptable bid comes in?

[Johnnyspireite7]

dim view, on 30 January 2022 - 02:33 PM, said:

....steady!! You must have got me mixed up.

I'm sat here today wondering what the odds are that Kabongo's high value will be preserved if JR's position is not resolved by tomorrow night.

It's guesswork but on the assumption that an acceptable bid was on the table I'd take it, put Asante up front, and strengthen big time in other positions including another striker.

Thinking on, I suppose it's all connected to whether our promotion odds will be reduced and whether Kabongo is less settled, if Rowe leaves. I think 'yes' and 'yes', but it's only a hypothetical discussion.

When you get to the bottom of the hole stop digging....or we'll take your shovel off you and start filling it in over you......the days of the puppetmaster and his sock puppet selling off our prized assets to the lowest bidder are long gone thank god.

[Westbars Spireite]

dim view, on 30 January 2022 - 02:33 PM, said:

....steady!! You must have got me mixed up.

I'm sat here today wondering what the odds are that Kabongo's high value will be preserved if JR's position is not resolved by tomorrow night.

It's guesswork but on the assumption that an acceptable bid was on the table I'd take it, put Asante up front, and strengthen big time in other positions including another striker.

Thinking on, I suppose it's all connected to whether our promotion odds will be reduced and whether Kabongo is less settled, if Rowe leaves. I think 'yes' and 'yes', but it's only a hypothetical discussion.

Kabongo’s value is unrelated to Rowe’s position. Although we aren’t subject to any transfer window ourself, if we had £1.5m+ sloshing around to recruit, we’d be looking to League One and Two and having to entice through silly contracts. We will not get remotely good value as those clubs will themselves be unable to recruit permanent replacements.

This post has been edited by Westbars Spireite: 30 January 2022 - 03:02 PM

[Middle East]

dim view, on 30 January 2022 - 02:33 PM, said:

....steady!! You must have got me mixed up.

I'm sat here today wondering what the odds are that Kabongo's high value will be preserved if JR's position is not resolved by tomorrow night.

It's guesswork but on the assumption that an acceptable bid was on the table I'd take it, put Asante up front, and strengthen big time in other positions including another striker.

Thinking on, I suppose it's all connected to whether our promotion odds will be reduced and whether Kabongo is less settled, if Rowe leaves. I think 'yes' and 'yes', but it's only a hypothetical discussion.

Dave I don't think Kabongos value has anything to do with Rowes situation. It has everything to do with whether he keeps banging the goals in! If he bags another 10-15 his value will be even more in June and that's when we will probably sell if the right offer comes in.

Better for him and better for us if he stays and does that; as it could make the difference on whether we get promoted or not!

Given current gates and the Chelsea money I don't think the board are under any pressure to sell. So unless a monster bid comes in which we can't refuse I think he will stay....but I do accept your point about needing to strengthen particularly in midfield.

This post has been edited by Middle East: 30 January 2022 - 03:06 PM

[Trigger]

Westbars Spireite, on 30 January 2022 - 02:52 PM, said:

Kabongo’s value is unrelated to Rowe’s position. Although we aren’t subject to any transfer window ourself, if we had £1.5m+ sloshing around to recruit, we’d be looking to League One and Two and having to entice though silly contracts. We will not get remotely good value as those clubs will themselves be unable to recruit permanent replacements.

If we got that much for him tomorrow we could recruit some quality defensive and attacking midfielders and have plenty of change left over. Maybe a chance to bring some younger players in to develop too (depending on who the manager is).

Personally though, I'd be taking the players golfing or something and leaving their phones locked up as well as having a shut down day at the club.

[dim view]

Westbars Spireite, on 30 January 2022 - 02:52 PM, said:

Kabongo’s value is unrelated to Rowe’s position.

Fair enough.
That's what I was trying to think through. You have come to a different conclusion than me, which I respect. Let's hope the question remains hypothetical.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Any fee for KT has to balanced against what we'd lose by missing out on promotion.

Besides, if we're gonna indulge in weird-assed double think, at what point does the Board tell the Manager to play to the front man's strengths instead of crow-barring Quigley into the side....?

[Westbars Spireite]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 30 January 2022 - 03:12 PM, said:

Any fee for KT has to balanced against what we'd lose by missing out on promotion.

Besides, if we're gonna indulge in weird-assed double think, at what point does the Board tell the Manager to play to the front man's strengths instead of crow-barring Quigley into the side....?

I would hope the board don’t get involved to that level at all.

[calvin plummers socks]

Nitrous Oxide, on 30 January 2022 - 10:17 AM, said:

He's come into a club, rocked by the manager being suspended and expected to form a partnership with someone who's head has likely been turned (and rightly so). In front of an unsettled midfield that's not creating many opportunities. But hey let's ignore all that and tear him apart.

This 👏🏽

[sophocles]

Goku, on 30 January 2022 - 01:58 PM, said:

You’re the master of comparing apples to oranges. Tshimanga scored 20 goals in consecutive seasons for Borehamwood. What’s Quigley’s record like?

I wasn't comparing anything, either fruit or people. I was simply saying that if both Quigley and Kabongo had been judged ONLY on the last two games, they would both have been considered poor value for money. I am pointing out that two games give insufficient time to pass conclusive judgment on any player. IMO, the scathing and downright rude comments aimed at Quigley when he's hardly had time to take his coat off, are premature and unnecessary.

[lindave]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 30 January 2022 - 03:12 PM, said:

Any fee for KT has to balanced against what we'd lose by missing out on promotion.

Besides, if we're gonna indulge in weird-assed double think, at what point does the Board tell the Manager to play to the front man's strengths instead of crow-barring Quigley into the side....?

Most of our football was aweful hoofball yesterday, apart from some great 1st half runs and crosses by Whittle. Please start with Kabby and Asante with Whittle and King probing forward like we did at Barnet. The win was great yesterday, but as the game progressed most fans would have taken a 0-0 draw. I didnt enjoy the game but it was well worth waiting for that brilliant goal by Curtis. Both sides only produced 1 worthwhile chances at goal, but in the 1st half Barnet was causing us problems in the air.

[dart in the crossbar]

jack bauer, on 29 January 2022 - 11:39 PM, said:

he should have scored with that header on around 10 mins, that goes in... well who knows, but today he was absent, surface looked good on tv today btw, could we have played more to feet, in the end doesn't matter we won.

absolutely spot on.

It was a decent cross which should have been meat and drink for a CF of 6 foot plus

He had enough time to take a few steps back, move in, get off the ground ad bury it. Instead his movement was limited to moving forwards a bit. He hardly got off the ground and when he did he was under the flight of the ball.

His lad was close to him but wasn't being particularly physical.

The excuse of a lack of game time would work, but given the time of year he ought to be sharp enough by now. Hopefully his poor performance was down to a lack of sharpness.

We'll see

[born in 1866]

Remember when Cookie dropped Dan johnson in order to take him out of the shop window as he wanted to sign him.
Well have we purposely changed our game plan to make Kabby look average before the window closes and when it does we'll revert to playing to his strengths.

[monte]

Nitrous Oxide, on 30 January 2022 - 09:34 AM, said:

Give the lad a chance. On the performance of the last two games I'm surprised you lot haven't hung Tshimanga out to dry.

Scored 6 for Yeovil this season. So he can't be awful. Might be a case of not knowing his job due to the manager issues...

I hope he'll come good, I seem to remember Hollis being regarded as awful until Mr Rowe came in so there is hope

[Goku]

sophocles, on 30 January 2022 - 03:46 PM, said:

I wasn't comparing anything, either fruit or people. I was simply saying that if both Quigley and Kabongo had been judged ONLY on the last two games, they would both have been considered poor value for money. I am pointing out that two games give insufficient time to pass conclusive judgment on any player. IMO, the scathing and downright rude comments aimed at Quigley when he's hardly had time to take his coat off, are premature and unnecessary.

Two games (and a number of years previous experience playing for other teams).

[azul]

monte, on 30 January 2022 - 05:18 PM, said:

Scored 6 for Yeovil this season. So he can't be awful. Might be a case of not knowing his job due to the manager issues...

I hope he'll come good, I seem to remember Hollis being regarded as awful until Mr Rowe came in so there is hope

Over the decades, many have been labelled awful early on, some have proved they weren’t, more proved they were exactly that

[dtp]

dim view, on 30 January 2022 - 01:31 PM, said:

I personally am crossing my fingers that Kabongo moves on tomorrow for a very large fee. Best for everybody.

And, if that doesn't happen, he could prove to be the best signing we've made this January.

spireitedave, on 30 January 2022 - 02:09 PM, said:

Anyone else on here with a long memory recall a certain Rod Fern getting a lot of criticism for his first few games ?

I'm definately that old. Poor old Rod struggled until Christmas but was a revelation in the New Year.