[DIFH]

Fit as a Nelson, on 24 January 2022 - 07:36 PM, said:

It does sound like he says Alex but I don’t think it’s Whittle. I think he’ll be talking to Webb there and then you hear a shout of are you still going on? I assume that’s someone off of their bench. Unless he wants to see both down there in a minute.

This is worse than a VAR review

[born in 1866]

moondog, on 24 January 2022 - 07:06 PM, said:

Reading between the lines I'd say he's been sacked but has 7 days to appeal

If true that goes against the trusts promise of honesty and integrity.

[KevoBMMD]

Andy Rolph, on 24 January 2022 - 05:00 PM, said:

That is absolutely obscene and if that's how he carries on at Chesterfield then he has to go, no matter how good he is at his job.

I'm sorry but I'm going to disagree. This is the norm for Pressure driven sports especially football. I've been in dressing rooms where we've had a torrid of abuse all in the name of football. This isn't obscene or even bad compared to rants by Steve Evans, Neil Warnock, or Brian Clough.
It didn't do Beckham any harm when Fergie let rip.........

Add the abuse and unpoliced comments and behaviour of some of the minority of fans and it would be difficult for anyone to react.


It would be interesting to know who he was referring to. I guessed it was someone who will be either in the tunnel or dressing room a couple of minutes later and can only guess if it was the Opposition, a Town player or official.

Do I want someone with that much passion and aggression running my Cub - Yes
Do I want a Bully or someone intimidating our own players - May be not

Time will tell

[Blue5]

isleaiw1, on 24 January 2022 - 07:30 PM, said:

They may, or they may be bitter after hearing some home truths.

Guess what people will believe tonight ..

The churn in playing and backroom staff has been a major concern of mine for some time now because it is not normal for a club of our size.

Given the size of JR's fanclub the lack of support for him tonight has certainly surprised me.

[ronpowellsbutler]

Fit as a Nelson, on 24 January 2022 - 07:36 PM, said:

It does sound like he says Alex but I don’t think it’s Whittle. I think he’ll be talking to Webb there and then you hear a shout of are you still going on? I assume that’s someone off of their bench. Unless he wants to see both down there in a minute.

Can’t see it being Whittle as he was on the other side of the pitch.
As for Maidenhead fans - there aren’t any near the dugout, it is all cordoned off.
I stand around there every fortnight but moved to be behind King’s free kick, otherwise I might have been a star witness !

This post has been edited by ronpowellsbutler: 24 January 2022 - 07:54 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

Exharboroughspireite, on 24 January 2022 - 06:47 PM, said:

David Buchanan seems to be the ex player along with some very uncomplimentary comments from the father of Luke rawson.

At the time of his release, young Rawsons old man wasn’t complimentary about JR but wasn’t scating either instead he held a fairly dignified “I won’t say anything else stance. Which is fair enough.


But the way players have been signed, dropped, move on, signed replacement players was something that I’ve thought WAS a concern. The reasons at the time were irrelevant and now perhaps are a little more clear.

It doesn’t have to be the end of the road. IF the board now put “conditions” on his continued employment- a filter if you will, and closely manage him he still has an opportunity

[Goku]

moondog, on 24 January 2022 - 07:33 PM, said:

We don't know when the process started, they might not need interviews. I'm speculating they have used suspended instead of dismissed as given he has the right of appeal the dismissal isn't confirmed.

Do you think the board would allow Rowe to sign Quigley for a fee on a 2.5 year deal if the process had already begun? No chance.

[born in 1866]

Andy Rolph, on 24 January 2022 - 07:41 PM, said:

I've been trying to find the names of Maidenhead's coaching staff, physios etc with no luck. None of their players (on the night at least) are called Alex.

Nobody called Alex. Closest is the physio called Max.

https://www.pitchero...s/6424/the-team

[Westbars Spireite]

Goku, on 24 January 2022 - 07:52 PM, said:

Do you think the board would allow Rowe to sign Quigley for a fee on a 2.5 year deal if the process had already begun? No chance.

No, but could well have been underway yesterday.

[Andy Rolph's Son]

ronpowellsbutler, on 24 January 2022 - 07:51 PM, said:

Can’t see it being Whittle as he was the other side of the pitch.
As for Maidenhead fans - there aren’t any near the dugout, it is all cordoned off.
I stand around there every fortnight but moved to be behind King’s free kick, otherwise I might have been a star witness !

In open play Whittle would be on the far side but for an attacking set piece there's every chance Whittle could've come into the middle of the pitch, centre circle ish, to stop a quick counter.

I'm convinced it's Whittle. You can hear Rowe chuntering to Webb before it becomes more audible..."I'll get him when he comes in, when he comes in there". I reckon Whittle has chirped back at Rowe over something and he's completely flipped.

[Andy Rolph's Son]

born in 1866, on 24 January 2022 - 07:54 PM, said:

Nobody called Alex. Closest is the physio called Max.

https://www.pitchero...s/6424/the-team

Ah, nice find. Convinced it's Whittle.

[Hoare (400)]

My feelings on this are that the club looks like it has grounds for Rowe to be sacked! This doesnt mean that they have to follow this path, they could ruin a young mans managerial career before it gets going, as well as our season, lets be honest the fans have suffered enough.

Please dont think I take bullying lightly, I dont, but I think a decent bowlocking, a very public apology and apologies to those concerned, plus let it be known that this is the very last chance saloon here, might be the way forwards. Rowe also needs to be told in no uncertain terms, that being a football manager does not give him the right to treat people badly.

At this moment in time, Rowe has achieved nothing as a manager, we have achieved nothing this season as a club, you get the feeling that one way another we need 1 another to reach both our goals.

The club needs to make the right decision for all concerned, but I really hope a knee jerk reaction doesnt end up badly for all concerned.



Hoare (400)

[isleaiw1]

moondog, on 24 January 2022 - 07:33 PM, said:

We don't know when the process started, they might not need interviews. I'm speculating they have used suspended instead of dismissed as given he has the right of appeal the dismissal isn't confirmed.

Well that would imply its a dismissals offence. Bullying wouldn't be - if the first time. Bringing the name of the club into disrepute might be deemed gross misconduct.

But I would say its a whole lot more unresolved than you imply - unless you know something we don't, in which case share...

[Fit as a Nelson]

Andy Rolph, on 24 January 2022 - 07:56 PM, said:

In open play Whittle would be on the far side but for an attacking set piece there's every chance Whittle could've come into the middle of the pitch, centre circle ish, to stop a quick counter.

I'm convinced it's Whittle. You can hear Rowe chuntering to Webb before it becomes more audible..."I'll get him when he comes in, when he comes in there". I reckon Whittle has chirped back at Rowe over something and he's completely flipped.

You might be right. Watch where whittle appears from on the highlights.

[calvin plummers socks]

isleaiw1, on 24 January 2022 - 07:11 PM, said:

Of course there is, a public apology and some appropriate courses.

In fact if he hasn't received appropriate written warnings before I would say its hard to sack someone for a first offence.... assuming of course that he is found guilty....

Ian - football isn’t like the normal work environment (it should be) but employment law isn’t adhered to at all.
People are sacked all the time with no HR involved etc. Many clubs don’t have an HR department and very few use HR consultants.
I made the mistake a couple of times after another previous career with sh77 hot HR rights etc to expect similar in football. I’m sure the Trust guys background though would be a bit more clued up than many clubs tbh and probably are doing the proper process.

[born in 1866]

Goku, on 24 January 2022 - 07:52 PM, said:

Do you think the board would allow Rowe to sign Quigley for a fee on a 2.5 year deal if the process had already begun? No chance.

Good point. This is about something from Saturday or on the training pitch this morning.

[kopblue]

Goku, on 24 January 2022 - 07:52 PM, said:

Do you think the board would allow Rowe to sign Quigley for a fee on a 2.5 year deal if the process had already begun? No chance.

Maybe the board thought they were getting Scott quigley and when the other quigley rocks up they read the reviews and thought that’s misconduct your suspended

[dtp]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 24 January 2022 - 06:50 PM, said:

Gonna say summat no one else has yet - well done to the Board.

Okay, the allegations may be so serious they'd no choice. But given the circumstances it would've been more than easy to look the other way. Or brush it under the carpet. Or smear a convenient scapegoat. Infact do pretty much what many suspected was so often done as Town slid into the cess pit of sleaze.

As for Rowe, I'm sad to say I can only echo the sense of inevitability emanating from others. Let's be clear; JR can't be a total ogre as a succession of players have performed well enough for him to deliver success. However there's been a troubling 'underground car park' narrative of ugly behaviour too. To the point it's no surprise to witness a wry satisfaction in certain quarters.

All we can hope for now is a speedy conclusion. If Rowe's gotta go then get him gone and appoint a replacement. If this can be settled somehow amicably then do so and re-focus on football (though I find it impossible to see how the Club and manager can simply carry on as before).

Either way let's remember there're legal implications here, the possibility of a victim who needs to be taken seriously and, equally importantly, an accused who ought to be viewed innocent until proven guilty.

Though most of all this us the time for everyone to remember CFC's good name, so casually disregarded and discarded over previous years, must come first. And if it means losing a promotion chasing boss to do that, then so be it...

Well said, Chris.

The Trust appear to have acted in the correct manner and, no doubt, will deal with whatever the issue is in the correct way in accordance with employment law and will take the appropriate action when it draws the matter to a conclusion. There is no shame in that and, surely, any fair minded person cannot hold anything against the club for dealing with such matters as they should be dealt with rather than turning a blind eye.

The only shame is that JR and the Trust have done wonders for our Club to date and the real hope is that such a turnaround can be continued whatever the outcome. We've said it before but I'll say it again "we have to trust the Trust".

[Andy Rolph's Son]

Fit as a Nelson, on 24 January 2022 - 08:01 PM, said:

You might be right. Watch where whittle appears from on the highlights.

Yep good shout.

3:10. King scores and Whittle appears from a central position, easily within earshot of Rowe.

[isleaiw1]

Westbars Spireite, on 24 January 2022 - 07:34 PM, said:

3.5hrs since the announcement perhaps. Wheels didn’t start turning then.

Well they clearly weren't in motion on Saturday, or the Trust would be skating on very thin ice allowing him to be in charge. As I assume if he doesn't like the outcome that fact might become public....

So I would say there are still discussions and decisions to be made...