[sophocles]

 dtp, on 26 January 2022 - 09:35 AM, said:

Wasn't there one incident when the ref and their keeper managed to waste about a whole minute when they had a nice little chat about the keepers continual time wasting then the ref strolled to the centre circle whilst the keeper wasted even more time carrying the ball from the right side of goal to the left. Now that incident alone at about the half-hour mark suggested time had been wasted prior to it and the ref was acknowledging that even if he wasn't doing anything about it. If there is some form of "general agreement" then surely that is just an encouragement for teams to come out and time-waste from kick-off which seems rather stupid to me and suggests different rules for each half.

That's the incident I described in the OP. Of course the quickest way to stop it instantly would have been for us to score a goal, which Quigley should have done with a perfectly clear chance to get an unchallenged header in from about 10 yards, but put it past the post. I think, by the way, that Quigley did very well against blatant fouling and a ref who picked him out as the sole offender in a series of physical 50/50 challenges. Now I've kept clear of all the speculation about the JR suspension, but I'm now wondering if that ref reported him, because while their keeper was taking the pee in that incident, the referee was staring intently in the direction of the benches, and ignoring the goalkeeper's antics. Being on the kop I don't know what was happening on the sidelines, but I can imagine JR making some pretty strong comments about it. Maybe there's a West stand supporter who could hear any exchanges between JR and the ref. It may be nothing to do with the suspension, but I thought it was odd that the ref was focusing his attention in that direction and completely ignoring the actions of the goalkeeper he'd apparently just warned.

[JonB]

 dtp, on 26 January 2022 - 10:38 AM, said:

Stupid rule but, for me, if a keeper places the ball on the ground to take a goal kick he shouldn't be allowed to pick it up again and then walk to the other side of the goals and place it again. If that's ok by the rules what's to stop him doing it several times over?

They just changed the rule to say a goal kick had to be taken from the side it went out to it can be taken from anywhere in theory to speed things up but in reality you get keepers trotting across casually to take it from the opposite side etc. Presumably its down to the ref to not let a keeper take the urine in continually changing sides as what you mention would be deemed deliberate timewasting and the ref would\should deal with it.

I would probably look to make it that once the keeper has the ball in his hands he has so long to get it taken. However they used to have six seconds to get rid of the ball when they had it but that seems to have gone out the window.

[dtp]

 JonB, on 26 January 2022 - 11:04 AM, said:

They just changed the rule to say a goal kick had to be taken from the side it went out to it can be taken from anywhere in theory to speed things up but in reality you get keepers trotting across casually to take it from the opposite side etc. Presumably its down to the ref to not let a keeper take the urine in continually changing sides as what you mention would be deemed deliberate timewasting and the ref would\should deal with it.

I would probably look to make it that once the keeper has the ball in his hands he has so long to get it taken. However they used to have six seconds to get rid of the ball when they had it but that seems to have gone out the window.

But a keeper doesn't have the ball in his hands to take a goal kick. He takes it from off the ground that's why I think once it's placed it's placed and shouldn't be replaced especially not yards away.

[JonB]

 dtp, on 26 January 2022 - 11:10 AM, said:

But a keeper doesn't have the ball in his hands to take a goal kick. He takes it from off the ground that's why I think once it's placed it's placed and shouldn't be replaced especially not yards away.

I meant in terms of basically having possession of the ball after its gone out to get it in place and taken. Cant really be on the keeper whilst its bouncing around in a stand but once he is deemed to have it in his possession from being fetched either picking it up or dribbling it to the 6yd box he has so long to get it placed and taken either belting it long or taking it short.

[dim view]

 dtp, on 26 January 2022 - 11:10 AM, said:

But a keeper doesn't have the ball in his hands to take a goal kick. He takes it from off the ground that's why I think once it's placed it's placed and shouldn't be replaced especially not yards away.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if the Law Makers went back to basics and stopped this? There isn't a fan in any ground that doesn't moan about it.

[dtp]

 dim view, on 26 January 2022 - 11:17 AM, said:

Wouldn't it be wonderful if the Law Makers went back to basics and stopped this? There isn't a fan in any ground that doesn't moan about it.

You are not wrong. Some of the old rules were easier to understand and certainly less irritating.

[DIFH]

 dtp, on 26 January 2022 - 02:28 PM, said:

You are not wrong. Some of the old rules were easier to understand and certainly less irritating.

Johnny Foreigner has a lot to answer for.