[sophocles]

Now the 'quality of the refereeing didn't affect the result IMO, but I'm surprised nobody's commented on his performance. To start with, he appeared to take a dislike to Quigley, and booked him after a series of clashes in which both he and the defender marking him, were being equally physical. The incident that stood out the most for me, however, was when their keeper was continually wasting time over goal kicks. At one point in the first half, the ref actually walked up to the keeper and had quite a lengthy chat, apparently telling him to get a move on; then as the ref walked away, the goalie strolled to the ball he'd placed for the kick, picked it up, and slowly sauntered across to take it from the opposite side. I've had a thought about it; I'm wondering now if the ref was saying to the keeper " I've got to look as if I'm telling you to hurry up, because I might have an assessor on my back if I don't, but as soon as I go back up the field, I won't be looking in your direction, so you can do what you like". That might sound daft, but the referee appeared to be looking away so deliberately that it seems quite likely to me. As I've said, there's no suggestion from me that the outcome of the game was affected in any way, and we should have been good enough to win anyway, but it struck me at the time that it seemed odd, especially as the ref's body language and facial expression looked more like somebody having a casual chat to an old mate, than an official laying down the law.

[Westbars Spireite]

I’ve seen lots of comments. He wasn’t very good but no better or worse than many others I’ve seen at this level. The standard is pretty diabolical.

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[JonB]

I mentioned it a couple of times in the match thread, he was woeful very much in the look at me Mike Dean mould which never ends up going well.

Like you mention he seemed to take an early dislike to Quigley where any challenging went against him and clear fouls on him missed to the point when he did finally give a foul on Quigley it prompted an ironic cheer from the crowd. Seemed very happy to get his card count up when in reality the only clear yellow cards needed were a couple of late tackles by them and a pull back by Khan. Thankfully he resisted the urge to give Khan a second yellow despite Aldershot players trying their best to change his mind. He also liked to a make a big show of counting out 10yds and spraying a white line but was happy to let the keeper time waste without booking him just having a couple of chats with him instead so was never going to stop it. Just had a poor grasp of being in control really but tried to look the part and got the cards out so he'll probably fly up the pyramid!

Westbars Spireite, on 24 January 2022 - 01:56 PM, said:

I’ve seen lots of comments. He wasn’t very good but no better or worse than many others I’ve seen at this level. The standard is pretty diabolical.

Probably wasnt that much worse than many others we've had but the way he went about it with lots of look at me stances, long chats about nothing, numerous cards and making a big deal of spraying white lines at every free kick probably made it look worse.

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[Paul Fisher]

Third time he had officiated Chesterfield this season.

H) v Barnet 4-2 W
A) v Curzon Ashton 4-0 W

[h again]

JonB, on 24 January 2022 - 02:02 PM, said:

I mentioned it a couple of times in the match thread, he was woeful very much in the look at me Mike Dean mould which never ends up going well.

Like you mention he seemed to take an early dislike to Quigley where any challenging went against him and clear fouls on him missed to the point when he did finally give a foul on Quigley it prompted an ironic cheer from the crowd. Seemed very happy to get his card count up when in reality the only clear yellow cards needed were a couple of late tackles by them and a pull back by Khan. Thankfully he resisted the urge to give Khan a second yellow despite Aldershot players trying their best to change his mind. He also liked to a make a big show of counting out 10yds and spraying a white line but was happy to let the keeper time waste without booking him just having a couple of chats with him instead so was never going to stop it. Just had a poor grasp of being in control really but tried to look the part and got the cards out so he'll probably fly up the pyramid!


Probably wasnt that much worse than many others we've had but the way he went about it with lots of look at me stances, long chats about nothing, numerous cards and making a big deal of spraying white lines at every free kick probably made it look worse.

Bending over backwards to be fair, he did add on a fair bit of time, presumably for time wasting. However, the aim of the time-wasters is mainly to slow down the tempo of the game, so however much gets added on they'll have succeeded. The refereee made a joke of himself over the goalkeeper incident: even worse was Loz being bundled over from behind later on which very nearly led to a goal for them.

[DIFH]

h again, on 24 January 2022 - 02:08 PM, said:

Bending over backwards to be fair, he did add on a fair bit of time, presumably for time wasting. However, the aim of the time-wasters is mainly to slow down the tempo of the game, so however much gets added on they'll have succeeded. The refereee made a joke of himself over the goalkeeper incident: even worse was Loz being bundled over from behind later on which very nearly led to a goal for them.

Surely that was the lino's call.

[JonB]

DIFH, on 24 January 2022 - 03:00 PM, said:

Surely that was the lino's call.

Assistants rarely give fouls unless its verging on assault and a blatant foul. There was one first half on Quigley in front of the West Stand family but about 10 yards in front of the assistant where the Aldershot player was almost piggy backing on Quigley and pulling his shirt and the assistant gave nothing.

[DIFH]

JonB, on 24 January 2022 - 03:12 PM, said:

Assistants rarely give fouls unless its verging on assault and a blatant foul. There was one first half on Quigley in front of the West Stand family but about 10 yards in front of the assistant where the Aldershot player was almost piggy backing on Quigley and pulling his shirt and the assistant gave nothing.

They still have comms.

[clarevoyant.]

His game management was shocking.

Getting into lengthy conversations with Aldershot players at free kicks and on 2 occasions throw ins. Didn't he realise they were taking the p.. and just taking as much time out of the game as possible.
And then just adding 2 mins at half time. Why is it common practice to let teams time waste 1st half without correcting it on 45.

We didn't do ourselves any favours knowing their keeper was well versed with all time wasting tactics why the hell wasn't there any ball retrievers in North Stand 2nd half?

[azul]

clarevoyant., on 24 January 2022 - 04:36 PM, said:

His game management was shocking.

Getting into lengthy conversations with Aldershot players at free kicks and on 2 occasions throw ins. Didn't he realise they were taking the p.. and just taking as much time out of the game as possible.
And then just adding 2 mins at half time. Why is it common practice to let teams time waste 1st half without correcting it on 45.

We didn't do ourselves any favours knowing their keeper was well versed with all time wasting tactics why the hell wasn't there any ball retrievers in North Stand 2nd half?

Depends who he was managing the game for, players, fans or his own ego

He added 2 minutes first half and 6 in the second half. No goals, few injuries, a few bookings. I think he added time on for his own time wasting

[dtp]

h again, on 24 January 2022 - 02:08 PM, said:

Bending over backwards to be fair, he did add on a fair bit of time, presumably for time wasting. However, the aim of the time-wasters is mainly to slow down the tempo of the game, so however much gets added on they'll have succeeded. The refereee made a joke of himself over the goalkeeper incident: even worse was Loz being bundled over from behind later on which very nearly led to a goal for them.

You are right about the 6 minutes added on at the end "h" but he only added 2 on in the first half which was certainly not enough.

[spireitedave]

Can't blame the ref - poor as he was - for our performance.

[clarevoyant.]

spireitedave, on 24 January 2022 - 08:37 PM, said:

Can't blame the ref - poor as he was - for our performance.

True, but his actions and also inactions aided and abetted Aldershot in their in their quest to take time out of the game and disrupt any momentum.

[spireitedave]

Playing the Ref seems to be a major part of defending in this league.

[h again]

dtp, on 24 January 2022 - 08:35 PM, said:

You are right about the 6 minutes added on at the end "h" but he only added 2 on in the first half which was certainly not enough.

There seems to be general agreement that time's only added on in the first half for really lengthy stoppages, or a token 1 minute to see if the board is still working.
I thought we were lucky to get 2 minutes, as a matter of fact.

[dtp]

h again, on 25 January 2022 - 05:35 PM, said:

There seems to be general agreement that time's only added on in the first half for really lengthy stoppages, or a token 1 minute to see if the board is still working.
I thought we were lucky to get 2 minutes, as a matter of fact.

Wasn't there one incident when the ref and their keeper managed to waste about a whole minute when they had a nice little chat about the keepers continual time wasting then the ref strolled to the centre circle whilst the keeper wasted even more time carrying the ball from the right side of goal to the left. Now that incident alone at about the half-hour mark suggested time had been wasted prior to it and the ref was acknowledging that even if he wasn't doing anything about it. If there is some form of "general agreement" then surely that is just an encouragement for teams to come out and time-waste from kick-off which seems rather stupid to me and suggests different rules for each half.

[JonB]

dtp, on 26 January 2022 - 09:35 AM, said:

Wasn't there one incident when the ref and their keeper managed to waste about a whole minute when they had a nice little chat about the keepers continual time wasting then the ref strolled to the centre circle whilst the keeper wasted even more time carrying the ball from the right side of goal to the left.

One issue with this is that since the rules\laws were changed the keeper is entitled to take the goal kick from which ever side he wants, a rule changed to prevent time wasting but actually makes it easier. In terms of what is deemed to be taking the urine and timewasting is down to the interpretation of the referee and thats where the problems start. First half they wont do anything, second half they might do a few of those hand rolling signals telling them to hurry up and then probably at some point in the last 10mins they may finally book them which in the grand scheme of things has naff all impact on the game by then. Once the keeper has the ball in his hands to take the kick it shouldnt take that long to get it booted up the field.

[dtp]

JonB, on 26 January 2022 - 09:51 AM, said:

One issue with this is that since the rules\laws were changed the keeper is entitled to take the goal kick from which ever side he wants, a rule changed to prevent time wasting but actually makes it easier. In terms of what is deemed to be taking the urine and timewasting is down to the interpretation of the referee and thats where the problems start. First half they wont do anything, second half they might do a few of those hand rolling signals telling them to hurry up and then probably at some point in the last 10mins they may finally book them which in the grand scheme of things has naff all impact on the game by then. Once the keeper has the ball in his hands to take the kick it shouldnt take that long to get it booted up the field.

Stupid rule but, for me, if a keeper places the ball on the ground to take a goal kick he shouldn't be allowed to pick it up again and then walk to the other side of the goals and place it again. If that's ok by the rules what's to stop him doing it several times over?

[azul]

dtp, on 26 January 2022 - 09:35 AM, said:

Wasn't there one incident when the ref and their keeper managed to waste about a whole minute when they had a nice little chat about the keepers continual time wasting then the ref strolled to the centre circle whilst the keeper wasted even more time carrying the ball from the right side of goal to the left. Now that incident alone at about the half-hour mark suggested time had been wasted prior to it and the ref was acknowledging that even if he wasn't doing anything about it. If there is some form of "general agreement" then surely that is just an encouragement for teams to come out and time-waste from kick-off which seems rather stupid to me and suggests different rules for each half.

There was. In truth, on Saturday the referee was the biggest time waster on the pitch

Not why that rule ever came into being. Some of the other time wasting exercises have come from rules that were meant to stop time wasting in the first place, like players having to leave the field after feigning injuries.

[clarevoyant.]

dtp, on 26 January 2022 - 10:38 AM, said:

Stupid rule but, for me, if a keeper places the ball on the ground to take a goal kick he shouldn't be allowed to pick it up again and then walk to the other side of the goals and place it again. If that's ok by the rules what's to stop him doing it several times over?

Could you please use the edit function and remove your last sentence before it gets spotted by coaches in and around the London area and they start getting bright ideas.