[Goku]

clarevoyant., on 19 January 2022 - 08:50 AM, said:

The main mistake was the selection of both Mandeville and Kellerman (is it worthwhile employing a body language coach) both too easily bullied and in conditions, a bobbley pitch making both their contributions negligible.

Thanks for the summary. With hindsight, as you say, it was wrong to play both of these players in the Starting XI but who do we bring in instead? Asante wasn't ready to play the full 90 and Payne is... well, Payne. So the only option I see would have been Khan. One thing for sure is that Kellerman has been really poor these last few weeks.

[jack bauer]

clarevoyant., on 19 January 2022 - 08:50 AM, said:

Well that was fun!, pre match jovialities apart.

Why do we concede so many free kicks early door(!!!)) after 20ish minutes my joviality affected mind (so it could be wrong) made it 7-0 in their favour. This gives the opposition chance to gain a none footballing advantage or in other words chance to use their hight and physicality making us wary and setting the stall out for the rest of the game. How come players of allegedly a lesser standard than ours appear capable of not committing such offences? considering that their centre half's appeared to be in competition to s who could best plait KT hair to his shirt.Strange.

JR clearly selected the wrong team, if Gunning was unfit then Kerr should have been in to deal with the above threat. The main mistake was the selection of both Mandeville and Kellerman (is it worthwhile employing a body language coach) both too easily bullied and in conditions, a bobbley pitch making both their contributions negligible. The pitch (bad bounce) did for Weston leading to their first, an intended short pass going hopelessly arwy. We still should have defended the rest of the play better but the outcome appeared very similar to barnets goal. The rest of the half was boot it towards KT who was out muscled by 3 defenders resulting in lost possession yet again We didn't have the craft/physique to hold the ball up top or the craft or trust in the pitch to 'football'our way through.

Second half, different game 2 up top all their defenders occupied dragging their midfielders deeper giving ours more time and space, if only we'd done this from the outset. Then the sucker punch awful defending our players everywhere and they appeared to have 3 unmarked giants queuing to head the ball home, where was Mad Gav?

Against teams like these, on shall we say under prepared pitchs we can't 'football our way to victory' mistakes will be made affecting the overhaul outcome.

As Seth Armstrong (who) once said "more cunning and guile required" from midfield and more importantly we can't afford to wait for TD we need an imposing figure up front for such games as this.

A 6'4/5' targetman/striker is a must.PLEASE

i wasn't at the game but JR had said in pre-match that it would be a physical game, so knowing what was coming the selection of mandy and kellerman to START the game seems an odd one especially away from home, one of them maybe but not both. interesting though that for several weeks now people have been critical of gunning and wanting a settled back 3 of williams, grimes and croll, one bad result and i'm sure opinions will shift again, all i'd perhaps say on that was that does last night represent the importance of Gunning to the team in terms of leadership and organisation and the trust that rowe clearly has in him was not replaced last night, in his post match he talked about lack of leadership... the relationship between manager and captain is such an important one.
finally wasn't it away at maidenhead last year that rowe effectively binned of Evans saying "i picked the wrong team"? and did someone say there were words between rowe and grimes last night? thank god we only go to maidenhead once a season, park it and move on.

[Westbars Spireite]

ESI, on 19 January 2022 - 07:56 AM, said:

Sometimes mate it’s best to keep some things to yourself. Just a bit dodgy otherwise.

Sometimes it's best to not reveal you have no sense of humour.

[frearsghost]

At 2-2 there was only one team going to win it. We were spraying the ball around nicely with tempo. But Maidenhead had an ace up their sleeve to slow the game. Whenever they won a foul, they simply stayed on the floor and awaited the sponge man. It took our tempo out of the game giving them a chance to regroup and regain the initiative.

This post has been edited by frearsghost: 19 January 2022 - 09:26 AM

[Goku]

frearsghost, on 19 January 2022 - 09:20 AM, said:

At 2-2 there was only one team going to win it. We spraying the ball around nicely with tempo. But Maidenhead had an ace up their sleeve to slow the game. Whenever they won a foul, they simply stayed on the floor and awaited the sponge man. It took our tempo out of the game giving them a chance to regroup and regain the initiative.

That's Alan Devonshire for you. We were well and truly Devonshired last night. It's happened to many a National League promotion contender.

[Westbars Spireite]

Goku, on 19 January 2022 - 09:22 AM, said:

That's Alan Devonshire for you. We were well and truly Devonshired last night. It's happened to many a National League promotion contender.

We should be clever enough to deal with it. I know you can lose games, even against part-timers, but Rowe will be gutted he's seen his team fall for it and be unable to respond.

[lindave]

My thoughts on the game exactly.

[Lincs Spireite]

frearsghost, on 19 January 2022 - 09:20 AM, said:

At 2-2 there was only one team going to win it. We were spraying the ball around nicely with tempo. But Maidenhead had an ace up their sleeve to slow the game. Whenever they won a foul, they simply stayed on the floor and awaited the sponge man. It took our tempo out of the game giving them a chance to regroup and regain the initiative.

Typical national league tactics, seen many many times and it really winds me up.

[Toddhopper.]

Tiptoe thru the Cross St, on 19 January 2022 - 08:18 AM, said:

The result was humiliating. A draw was the least I could have accepted. A win against Aldershot won't make up for this defeat. Victories against promotion rivals will.

Oh no, we've got another bedwetter! Rationality is a much rarer quality than I thought.

[hilly81]

Tiptoe thru the Cross St, on 19 January 2022 - 08:18 AM, said:

The result was humiliating. A draw was the least I could have accepted. A win against Aldershot won't make up for this defeat. Victories against promotion rivals will.

Everything ok at home?

[monte]

Spire_78, on 18 January 2022 - 09:42 PM, said:

Hit the transfer market hard, spend some of that Chelsea money and bring 2 or 3 in to shake things up because make no mistake that result is unacceptable

I think its the sloppy defending / marking from Set plays, been an issue since Foster left

I'd still go for a GK, Attacking Mid & Striker (to replace Rowe while he's out)

[monte]

clarevoyant., on 19 January 2022 - 08:50 AM, said:

Well that was fun!, pre match jovialities apart.

Why do we concede so many free kicks early doors (!!!)) after 20ish minutes my joviality affected mind (so it could be wrong) made it 7-0 in their favour. This gives the opposition chance to gain a none footballing advantage or in other words chance to use their hieght and physicality making us wary and setting the stall out for the rest of the game. How come players of allegedly a lesser standard than ours appear capable of not committing such offences? considering that their centre half's appeared to be in competition to see who could best plait KT hair to his shirt.Strange.

JR clearly selected the wrong team, if Gunning was unfit then Kerr should have been in to deal with the above threat. The main mistake was the selection of both Mandeville and Kellerman (is it worthwhile employing a body language coach) both too easily bullied and in conditions, a bobbley pitch making both their contributions negligible. The pitch (bad bounce) did for Weston leading to their first, an intended short pass going hopelessly arwy. We still should have defended the rest of the play better but the outcome appeared very similar to barnets goal. The rest of the half was boot it towards KT who was out muscled by 3 defenders resulting in lost possession yet again We didn't have the craft/physique to hold the ball up top or the craft or trust in the pitch to 'football'our way through.

Second half, different game 2 up top all their defenders occupied dragging their midfielders deeper giving ours more time and space, if only we'd done this from the outset. Then the sucker punch awful defending our players everywhere and they appeared to have 3 unmarked giants queuing to head the ball home, where was Mad Gav?

Against teams like these, on shall we say under prepared pitchs we can't 'football our way to victory' mistakes will be made affecting the overhaul outcome.

As Seth Armstrong (who) once said "more cunning and guile required" from midfield and more importantly we can't afford to wait for TD we need an imposing figure up front for such games as this.

A 6'4/5' targetman/striker is a must.PLEASE

I'd say a 6ft5 Centre back too.

[ronpowellsbutler]

jack bauer, on 19 January 2022 - 09:06 AM, said:

i wasn't at the game but JR had said in pre-match that it would be a physical game, so knowing what was coming the selection of mandy and kellerman to START the game seems an odd one especially away from home, one of them maybe but not both. interesting though that for several weeks now people have been critical of gunning and wanting a settled back 3 of williams, grimes and croll, one bad result and i'm sure opinions will shift again, all i'd perhaps say on that was that does last night represent the importance of Gunning to the team in terms of leadership and organisation and the trust that rowe clearly has in him was not replaced last night, in his post match he talked about lack of leadership... the relationship between manager and captain is such an important one.
finally wasn't it away at maidenhead last year that rowe effectively binned of Evans saying "i picked the wrong team"? and did someone say there were words between rowe and grimes last night? thank god we only go to maidenhead once a season, park it and move on.

The words between JR and Grimes consisted of JR shouting eff off to Grimes. Don’t misinterpret this as an argument.

[CFC91]

frearsghost, on 19 January 2022 - 09:20 AM, said:

At 2-2 there was only one team going to win it. We were spraying the ball around nicely with tempo. But Maidenhead had an ace up their sleeve to slow the game. Whenever they won a foul, they simply stayed on the floor and awaited the sponge man. It took our tempo out of the game giving them a chance to regroup and regain the initiative.

There's some panic stations on here which I think is a tad crazy. Let's hope people are more rational in everyday life than they are when it comes to Town.

Agree we should have gone onto win it and all the momentum was with us but for some reason we just didn't go in for the kill like we did at Barnet, they were there for the taking and Kings goal on HT should have set us up nicely.

Something about these Tuesday night trips to back of beyond that seems to rattle us, not sure what it is but having been at both Woking and Maidenhead i'm glad our next 2 midweekers are much closer! I was driving last night too so didn't even have the joys of a beer to cheer me up slightly on the way home. Les said about the chaos of motorway closures on M1, M42 and M6 the better but at least I got to see the delights of Tamworth at night!

Must win on Sat, we bounced back well after Woking, we will do the same again. Fully expect us to get a striker in this before Sat, and maybe Tyson out the door to make room (had seen him linked with Alfreton which makes sense). Though i'd rather it be Payne

This post has been edited by CFC91: 19 January 2022 - 10:52 AM

[clarevoyant.]

frearsghost, on 19 January 2022 - 09:20 AM, said:

At 2-2 there was only one team going to win it. We were spraying the ball around nicely with tempo. But Maidenhead had an ace up their sleeve to slow the game. Whenever they won a foul, they simply stayed on the floor and awaited the sponge man. It took our tempo out of the game giving them a chance to regroup and regain the initiative.

It's time to accept that so called football coaches who don't have, either the know how or the resources to match perceived better teams will resort to other none footballing tactics to equal things out.

Gone are the days when a player that went down injured, was injured and Nobby Clarke would run on with a bucket of water and a 'Brillo' pad and all would be OK.

Taking time out the game as becomes the norm and whilst the powers that be won't do owt about it, we'll have to accept that paying £30 ( chelsea) at a quid for every 3 minutes I calculate even at London prices I'm losing appx a pint a game.

Talking of authority taking action what about the entertaining moment in the first half whereby the ref fom 30 yardish told the keeper (for the 3rd time) to get on with it. The keeper made out he couldn't hear ran to the ref (another 10 seconds) who immediately turned and legged it up field as though being chased by the school bully, whilst the keeper ambled back and repositioned the ball, another minute or so wasted. Do coaches have an equivalent of the Oscars for their use of the dark arts? If so I nominate this episode.

Just for clarity and avoidance of more potential DMS, the slagging off of coaches is aimed at the coaching profession not any individuals

[LondonBlue]

clarevoyant., on 19 January 2022 - 11:10 AM, said:

It's time to accept that so called football coaches who don't have, either the know how or the resources to match perceived better teams will resort to other none footballing tactics to equal things out.

Gone are the days when a player that went down injured, was injured and Nobby Clarke would run on with a bucket of water and a 'Brillo' pad and all would be OK.

Taking time out the game as becomes the norm and whilst the powers that be won't do owt about it, we'll have to accept that paying £30 ( chelsea) at a quid for every 3 minutes I calculate even at London prices I'm losing appx a pint a game.

Talking of authority taking action what about the entertaining moment in the first half whereby the ref fom 30 yardish told the keeper (for the 3rd time) to get on with it. The keeper made out he couldn't hear ran to the ref (another 10 seconds) who immediately turned and legged it up field as though being chased by the school bully, whilst the keeper ambled back and repositioned the ball, another minute or so wasted. Do coaches have an equivalent of the Oscars for their use of the dark arts? If so I nominate this episode.

Just for clarity and avoidance of more potential DMS, the slagging off of coaches is aimed at the coaching profession not any individuals

Tbf we wasted a fair amount of time ourselves last season under Rowe when seeing games out in our charge for the play offs. It’s just part and parcel of the game.

[clarevoyant.]

LondonBlue, on 19 January 2022 - 11:15 AM, said:

Tbf we wasted a fair amount of time ourselves last season under Rowe when seeing games out in our charge for the play offs. It’s just part and parcel of the game.

Yes agree. But not from minute one. However if JR felt it would benefit he would use it. I'm decrying the dark arts from a footballing/entertaining,value for money perspective.

It could so easily be eradicated with right minded people at the helm.

This post has been edited by clarevoyant.: 19 January 2022 - 11:29 AM

[dim view]

clarevoyant., on 19 January 2022 - 11:10 AM, said:

It's time to accept that so called football coaches who don't have, either the know how or the resources to match perceived better teams will resort to other none footballing tactics to equal things out.

Well I'd certainly credit Devonshire with having know how.

Summarising the DT, all of our technically gifted players floundered and all of our physical players were bullied. Devonshire minimised game time, maximized pressure at dead ball opportunities, prepared the sloping pitch to his advantage.

And we fell for it like Lemmings. Too many free kicks, losing out on 50-50's, caught in possession, failing to follow instructions.

[tedspireite]

Goku, on 19 January 2022 - 08:55 AM, said:

Thanks for the summary. With hindsight, as you say, it was wrong to play both of these players in the Starting XI but who do we bring in instead? Asante wasn't ready to play the full 90 and Payne is... well, Payne. So the only option I see would have been Khan. One thing for sure is that Kellerman has been really poor these last few weeks.

I think JR made a mistake not starting Asante with KT try and get the won then replace Asante at helf time. as you say though in hindsight . 3 points a must now Saturday but no need to panic at moment.

[Goku]

dim view, on 19 January 2022 - 11:38 AM, said:

And we fell for it like Lemmings. Too many free kicks, losing out on 50-50's, caught in possession, failing to follow instructions.

We do this all the time. I guess it's part of our eagerness to win the ball back but that's a double-edged sword and causes problems on nights like last night.