[Goku]

Mr Mercury, on 23 July 2024 - 02:09 PM, said:

Let?s wait more than 3 weeks mate, this lot have the potential to really feck it up beyond todays state.

They may be unsuccessful in what they aim for but they are clearly the adults in the room vs the conservative children we?ve had in Government for the last 14 years. Even though they?ve achieved nothing yet it?s rather refreshing.

[isleaiw1]

Goku, on 23 July 2024 - 03:03 PM, said:

They may be unsuccessful in what they aim for but they are clearly the adults in the room vs the conservative children we?ve had in Government for the last 14 years. Even though they?ve achieved nothing yet it?s rather refreshing.

I'm not so sure. Would an adult remove the threat of punishment before having addressed the cause of the bad behaviour that needed punishing? Or would they abnnounce that we have to consider the cost of not giving an inflation busting pay rise as the industrial action costs money, thereby encouraging the other party to threaten it whenever they dont get what they want....

Strikes me that so far they are being very naive and it will result in some bad results...

The first likely to be at interest rate decision next week when the view of pay driven inflation due to over inflation pay settlements must now take precedence...

[fishini]

Mr Mercury, on 23 July 2024 - 02:09 PM, said:

Let?s wait more than 3 weeks mate, this lot have the potential to really feck it up beyond todays state.

What just like your blue friends did time and time again over 14 years?

[Mr Mercury]

fishini, on 23 July 2024 - 04:29 PM, said:

What just like your blue friends did time and time again over 14 years?

Only my friends over the last parliament my friend.
Friend singular. Boris
Although I do like Braverman.

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 23 July 2024 - 06:23 PM

[isleaiw1]

Goku, on 23 July 2024 - 03:03 PM, said:

They may be unsuccessful in what they aim for but they are clearly the adults in the room vs the conservative children we?ve had in Government for the last 14 years. Even though they?ve achieved nothing yet it?s rather refreshing.

seven naughty children voted against the govt today and will have the whip removed for a period... the divisions are showing early.

[Goku]

isleaiw1, on 23 July 2024 - 08:25 PM, said:

seven naughty children voted against the govt today and will have the whip removed for a period... the divisions are showing early.

Good to see healthy disagreement

[isleaiw1]

Goku, on 23 July 2024 - 08:28 PM, said:

Good to see healthy disagreement

ah, healthy disagreement on one side and division on the other. I'd say John O'Donnell and the other rebels are about as aligned with Starmer and Reeves as they are with Farage...

[Mr Mercury]

isleaiw1, on 23 July 2024 - 08:31 PM, said:

ah, healthy disagreement on one side and division on the other. I'd say John O'Donnell and the other rebels are about as aligned with Starmer and Reeves as they are with Farage...

O?Donnel, Long Bailey, Burgon, bastions of new Labour.

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 23 July 2024 - 08:28 PM, said:

Good to see healthy disagreement

Looking at those who opposed the government it seems Reform stood with Labour on this stance.

[s42blue]

Goku, on 23 July 2024 - 08:28 PM, said:

Good to see healthy disagreement

Healthy disagreement is to of course to be applauded. But to suspend the whip for disagreeing (when it was always going to easily pass) is actually quite shocking tbh. Very disappointed in what was a very good start.

[Goku]

s42blue, on 23 July 2024 - 10:32 PM, said:

Healthy disagreement is to of course to be applauded. But to suspend the whip for disagreeing (when it was always going to easily pass) is actually quite shocking tbh. Very disappointed in what was a very good start.

Indeed, I wasn?t being serious, I don?t rate it at all. Obviously trying to lay down a marker but just coming across as a control freak wa**er.

[s42blue]

Goku, on 23 July 2024 - 10:45 PM, said:

Indeed, I wasn?t being serious, I don?t rate it at all. Obviously trying to lay down a marker but just coming across as a control freak wa**er.

Oh 😂. Lost in translation 😂

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 23 July 2024 - 10:45 PM, said:

Indeed, I wasn?t being serious, I don?t rate it at all. Obviously trying to lay down a marker but just coming across as a control freak wa**er.

That?s the go to remit of a weak leader, overstep the mark to appear to be in control. Won?t end well.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Five years ago, after suffering it's worst election defeat in a century, the Labour Party faced an existential decision: continue appealling to only an ever dwindling minority, or change and regain the centre third of UK politics.

The rest is history, turning gleeful internet predictions of some 'end of Labour' into a landslide leaving Tory MP's an endangered species.

To the point it's now they who encounter an epochal fork in the road: veer increasingly right, battling with Monster Raving Reform for the bigot ballot, or follow their opponents on a journey of moderation.

Remembering, of course, this is the same membership which deemed the predictably depraved 'Boris' fit for office, then replaced him with Liz Truss.

Liz...Truss...

So it's no surprise Robert Jenrick leads their internal polls. A character with a well documented legacy of sleaze already in situ, who ordered reception centre staff to paint over Disney murals as they were 'too welcoming' for tragically traumatised kiddies, and peddles brow furrowingly bizarre ideas of 'Englishness' (yet not Britishness, we note) he can neither clarify nor define.

Then, only this weekend, he dangled suggestions of a star of David being displayed at every UK port to send a message of support to arriving Jews. Who, strangely, don't count as migrants in his perverse little world.

Or alternatively there's Kemi Badenoch. The ex Business Minister who signed trade deals leaving British business worse off, ex Equalities Minister who indulged in social media culture wars, and ex Macdonald's employee who thinks a short stint working there for pocket money renders her working class.

Before yesterday deciding to inform the nation that maternity pay is "too excessive". Maternity pay. 'Too excessive'. Errr...

The new grown up government will welcome all this, though. Make no mistake; an opposition aiming it's fire at a Farage who many, perhaps even most of it's members would prefer as leader of their own party will further dilute what minimal threat a mere one hundred and twenty MP's might offer. Better still some sort of merger between the two, finally confirming the formation of a BNP 'lite' which would be utterly toxic to the overwhelming majority of the UK public, and no doubt resulting in another wave of defections.

In fact what has the most successful election machine in world politics come to when probably it's best hope of salvation is a certain James Cleverly...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 30 September 2024 - 08:49 AM

[Holmesc1]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 30 September 2024 - 08:26 AM, said:

Five years ago, after suffering it's worst election defeat in a century, the Labour Party faced an existential decision: continue appealling to only an ever dwindling minority, or change and regain the centre third of UK politics.

The rest is history, turning gleeful internet predictions of some 'end of Labour' into a landslide leaving Tory MP's an endangered species.

To the point it's now they who encounter an epochal fork in the road: veer increasingly right, battling with Monster Raving Reform for the bigot ballot, or follow their opponents on a journey of moderation.

Remembering, of course, this is the same membership which deemed the predictably depraved 'Boris' fit for office, then replaced him with Liz Truss.

Liz...Truss...

So it's no surprise Robert Jenrick leads their internal polls. A character with a well documented legacy of sleaze already in situ, who ordered reception centre staff to paint over Disney murals as they were 'too welcoming' for tragically traumatised kiddies, and peddles brow furrowingly bizarre ideas of 'Englishness' (yet not Britishness, we note) he can neither clarify nor define.

Then, only this weekend, he dangled suggestions of a star of David being displayed at every UK port to send a message of support to arriving Jews. Who, strangely, don't count as migrants in his perverse little world.

Or alternatively there's Kemi Badenoch. The ex Business Minister who signed trade deals leaving British business worse off, ex Equalities Minister who indulged in social media culture wars, and ex Macdonald's employee who thinks a short stint working there for pocket money renders her working class.

Before yesterday deciding to inform the nation that maternity pay is "too excessive". Maternity pay. 'Too excessive'. Errr...

The new grown up government will welcome all this, though. Make no mistake; an opposition aiming it's fire at a Farage who many, perhaps even most of it's members would prefer as leader of their own party will further dilute what minimal threat a mere one hundred and twenty MP's might offer. Better still some sort of merger between the two, finally confirming the formation of a BNP 'lite' which would be utterly toxic to the overwhelming majority of the UK public, and no doubt resulting in another wave of defections.

In fact what has the most successful election machine in world politics come to when probably it's best hope of salvation is a certain James Cleverly...

And labour are all whiter than white are they, the way they have started off some of the above names could not do ant worse surely

[isleaiw1]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 30 September 2024 - 08:26 AM, said:

Five years ago, after suffering it's worst election defeat in a century, the Labour Party faced an existential decision: continue appealling to only an ever dwindling minority, or change and regain the centre third of UK politics.

The rest is history, turning gleeful internet predictions of some 'end of Labour' into a landslide leaving Tory MP's an endangered species.

To the point it's now they who encounter an epochal fork in the road: veer increasingly right, battling with Monster Raving Reform for the bigot ballot, or follow their opponents on a journey of moderation.

Remembering, of course, this is the same membership which deemed the predictably depraved 'Boris' fit for office, then replaced him with Liz Truss.

Liz...Truss...

So it's no surprise Robert Jenrick leads their internal polls. A character with a well documented legacy of sleaze already in situ, who ordered reception centre staff to paint over Disney murals as they were 'too welcoming' for tragically traumatised kiddies, and peddles brow furrowingly bizarre ideas of 'Englishness' (yet not Britishness, we note) he can neither clarify nor define.

Then, only this weekend, he dangled suggestions of a star of David being displayed at every UK port to send a message of support to arriving Jews. Who, strangely, don't count as migrants in his perverse little world.

Or alternatively there's Kemi Badenoch. The ex Business Minister who signed trade deals leaving British business worse off, ex Equalities Minister who indulged in social media culture wars, and ex Macdonald's employee who thinks a short stint working there for pocket money renders her working class.

Before yesterday deciding to inform the nation that maternity pay is "too excessive". Maternity pay. 'Too excessive'. Errr...

The new grown up government will welcome all this, though. Make no mistake; an opposition aiming it's fire at a Farage who many, perhaps even most of it's members would prefer as leader of their own party will further dilute what minimal threat a mere one hundred and twenty MP's might offer. Better still some sort of merger between the two, finally confirming the formation of a BNP 'lite' which would be utterly toxic to the overwhelming majority of the UK public, and no doubt resulting in another wave of defections.

In fact what has the most successful election machine in world politics come to when probably it's best hope of salvation is a certain James Cleverly...

Too many words to respond fully too but..

1. Is a question with a question mark at the end a gleeful Internet prediction or a question?

2.was the Labour landslide really a landslide or did they get less votes than the election before but every other party did much better... except the Tories obvs!

3 grown up govt... do grown ups grab every freebie, when on ?170k a year? Di they suffer a conference vote against their first policy implementation? Do they suffer the fastest2 ever defection after an election?

4. Be careful dissing Truss, we haven't seen the Reeves budget and response yet...and the quality papers seem to think everything rumoured us anti growth and rewriting the debt rules might spook the markets...

Let's see how that goes and then see what the wider world thinks of the new govt...

[azul]

After criticising Labour Jenrick given £75000 by dodgy looking BVI company

https://news.sky.com...es-row-13224393

He claims they are a sports firm operating in the UK but according to Companies House have no employees and have net liabilities of 330K.

Sounds like a front to me, to get round donation rules. God only knows what their 'real business' is?

This post has been edited by azul: 30 September 2024 - 10:03 AM

[Goku]

azul, on 30 September 2024 - 09:58 AM, said:

After criticising Labour Jenrick given ?75000 by dodgy looking BVI company

https://news.sky.com...es-row-13224393

He claims they are a sports firm operating in the UK but according to Companies House have no employees and have net liabilities of 330K.

Sounds like a front to me, god only knows what their real business is?

Beat me to it. Unsurprising to see typical Tory scumbaggery even whilst they're not in power. They just can't help it, it's part of their make up, perhaps we shouldn't be so critical of them bearing this in mind?

This post has been edited by Goku: 30 September 2024 - 10:00 AM

[Misnomer]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 30 September 2024 - 08:26 AM, said:

Five years ago, after suffering it's worst election defeat in a century, the Labour Party faced an existential decision: continue appealling to only an ever dwindling minority, or change and regain the centre third of UK politics.

The rest is history, turning gleeful internet predictions of some 'end of Labour' into a landslide leaving Tory MP's an endangered species.

To the point it's now they who encounter an epochal fork in the road: veer increasingly right, battling with Monster Raving Reform for the bigot ballot, or follow their opponents on a journey of moderation.

Remembering, of course, this is the same membership which deemed the predictably depraved 'Boris' fit for office, then replaced him with Liz Truss.

Liz...Truss...

So it's no surprise Robert Jenrick leads their internal polls. A character with a well documented legacy of sleaze already in situ, who ordered reception centre staff to paint over Disney murals as they were 'too welcoming' for tragically traumatised kiddies, and peddles brow furrowingly bizarre ideas of 'Englishness' (yet not Britishness, we note) he can neither clarify nor define.

Then, only this weekend, he dangled suggestions of a star of David being displayed at every UK port to send a message of support to arriving Jews. Who, strangely, don't count as migrants in his perverse little world.

Or alternatively there's Kemi Badenoch. The ex Business Minister who signed trade deals leaving British business worse off, ex Equalities Minister who indulged in social media culture wars, and ex Macdonald's employee who thinks a short stint working there for pocket money renders her working class.

Before yesterday deciding to inform the nation that maternity pay is "too excessive". Maternity pay. 'Too excessive'. Errr...

The new grown up government will welcome all this, though. Make no mistake; an opposition aiming it's fire at a Farage who many, perhaps even most of it's members would prefer as leader of their own party will further dilute what minimal threat a mere one hundred and twenty MP's might offer. Better still some sort of merger between the two, finally confirming the formation of a BNP 'lite' which would be utterly toxic to the overwhelming majority of the UK public, and no doubt resulting in another wave of defections.

In fact what has the most successful election machine in world politics come to when probably it's best hope of salvation is a certain James Cleverly...

🥱

[azul]

Goku, on 30 September 2024 - 09:59 AM, said:

Beat me to it. Unsurprising to see typical Tory scumbaggery even whilst they're not in power. They just can't help it, it's part of their make up, perhaps we shouldn't be so critical of them bearing this in mind?

Exactly

It's just the call of the wild. Killer Whales eat cute seals, Bears mierda in the woods and Tory politicians are beholding to KGB spies and dubious off shore companies