[Tha Knows...]

dtp, on 25 March 2020 - 04:21 PM, said:

Logically, if they win such a case we gain but would get 50% of what they get because it would be counted as our second season in this league compared to their first.

Yes if the season is voided nothing has changed since August and we should get the 50% parachute payment for effectively only our second season in NL

spireitetoo, on 25 March 2020 - 07:49 PM, said:

No guarantee leagues will be able to start again then

True but it's possible

[Tha Knows...]

Oh Wade Falana, on 25 March 2020 - 01:06 PM, said:

Whenever football is allowed to be played then the current season should continue to its conclusion. Future seasons from there will also need to be adjusted until a time comes where we have returned to the norm. An alternative, if football doesn't return for so long that next season is eaten into to such a great extent, would be to conclude the current season then simply play mini tournaments/leagues/cup competitions etc. and officially write off the 2020/21 season. I'm totally against voiding this current season, and believe that the legal ramifications of doing that will prevent it being done.

I'm totally against all subsequent seasons being fecked about by the virus

[dtp]

Spire-Power, on 25 March 2020 - 07:54 PM, said:

I'm totally against all subsequent seasons being fecked about by the virus

I fully agree.

Whenever the next season starts let it be a clean start.

Whatever ideas are dreamed up for the current season there is no way they will be considered fair by everybody so it doesn't make sense to put unfair pressure on a second season as well.

[moondog]

Oh Wade Falana, on 25 March 2020 - 01:06 PM, said:

Whenever football is allowed to be played then the current season should continue to its conclusion. Future seasons from there will also need to be adjusted until a time comes where we have returned to the norm. An alternative, if football doesn't return for so long that next season is eaten into to such a great extent, would be to conclude the current season then simply play mini tournaments/leagues/cup competitions etc. and officially write off the 2020/21 season. I'm totally against voiding this current season, and believe that the legal ramifications of doing that will prevent it being done.

The issue is clubs won't have the same squads and the club's at our level can't afford to pay players indefinitely.

My view is call it off with points per game average to decide promotion and relegation

[dim view]

dtp, on 26 March 2020 - 09:10 AM, said:

I fully agree.

Whenever the next season starts let it be a clean start.

Whatever ideas are dreamed up for the current season there is no way they will be considered fair by everybody so it doesn't make sense to put unfair pressure on a second season as well.

Why won't selection of final league positions by a random process with odds fixed by a group of independent Actuaries be considered fair by everyone?

[mr. smith]

dim view, on 26 March 2020 - 10:04 AM, said:

Why won't selection of final league positions by a random process with odds fixed by a group of independent Actuaries be considered fair by everyone?

why don't we get the pools panel in or play fifa or rock/paper/scissors?
if we cant play the games to a conclusion void the season.

[dtp]

dim view, on 26 March 2020 - 10:04 AM, said:

Why won't selection of final league positions by a random process with odds fixed by a group of independent Actuaries be considered fair by everyone?

Are you saying there won't be arguments if, say, for example Leeds were to lose out on promotion because of decisions taken by Actuaries no matter how independent.

Then, for instance, there is current form to be taken into account as well as results over the season to date. In such a case, Barrow are not in the best of form, Ebbsfleet are doing well etc. So, if it was decided that Harrogate overtake Barrow and Barrow lost out in the play offs because of your random process are you telling us Ian Evatt will be over the moon?

Sorry, football is an unpredictable sport otherwise we might have all made a fortune on the pools and all the bookies would be bankrupt.

[Benno Spire]

Unfortunately there will be winners and losers for every decision.
Personally I would have liked this season to have come to a natural conclusion but as each day goes by this is looking even more increasingly unlikely.
From a clubs point of view they have to consider player contracts, but also the impact of lost match day income.
If the season is stopped there will be a lot of players suddenly out of work as clubs will not rush to sign players until they know what is happening in relation to a date for the new season starting.
You could argue that for the sake of the players the season is concluded as the clubs may be able to access the Government and FA support to extend player contracts.
Clubs who have many injured players will be happy they would be able to return if a season is extended and squads could look very different so is this fair?

Possible scenarios.

Void existing season.
Season finished based on current position and points per game added where clubs have played less games.
Void existing season and use a mathematical formulae to award handicap points for next season based on points gained this season.
Create a mathematical algorithm to calculate final points tally taking into account seasonal form and form over the last 8 games.

The complication will be playoffs and it may be these are scrapped for this season in favour of the old fashioned promotion and relegation.

I for one would not like to be involved in the decision making especially as decisions will need to be taken without knowing a possible new start date.

As always every fan and club will favour any decision that benefits their team.

So for me, void the season and start again as this benefits Chesterfield.

[dtp]

Benno Spire, on 26 March 2020 - 11:05 AM, said:

Unfortunately there will be winners and losers for every decision.
Personally I would have liked this season to have come to a natural conclusion but as each day goes by this is looking even more increasingly unlikely.
From a clubs point of view they have to consider player contracts, but also the impact of lost match day income.
If the season is stopped there will be a lot of players suddenly out of work as clubs will not rush to sign players until they know what is happening in relation to a date for the new season starting.
You could argue that for the sake of the players the season is concluded as the clubs may be able to access the Government and FA support to extend player contracts.
Clubs who have many injured players will be happy they would be able to return if a season is extended and squads could look very different so is this fair?

Possible scenarios.

Void existing season.
Season finished based on current position and points per game added where clubs have played less games.
Void existing season and use a mathematical formulae to award handicap points for next season based on points gained this season.
Create a mathematical algorithm to calculate final points tally taking into account seasonal form and form over the last 8 games.

The complication will be playoffs and it may be these are scrapped for this season in favour of the old fashioned promotion and relegation.

I for one would not like to be involved in the decision making especially as decisions will need to be taken without knowing a possible new start date.

As always every fan and club will favour any decision that benefits their team.

So for me, void the season and start again as this benefits Chesterfield.

I would have thought CFC are likely to benefit from most decisions. Our average points to date keeps us up. Our form over the last 8 games is better than a lot. Our current league position is above the bottom four.

On the downside, if the season is re-started at sometime in the future we cannot be promoted but we could get relegated. Unless there are some acceptable rules put in place regarding players contracts and club squads then I feel restarting the season a few months from now is the most unfair decision of the lot. Most clubs could start the mini-end-to-season season with unrecognisable teams to the ones which have played previously in the same season.

Another thought, if it was deemed that Harrogate, for instance, are promoted they play on plastic. If they can't get contractors to change their pitch to proper grass during the current climate will the EFL bend it's rules and allow them in? If they do then they could be deemed to be playing next season at an advantage over other clubs in that division. If they are refused they might say they were going to make the appropriate upgrade but couldn't get it done because of coronavirus and, as such, are being treated unfairly.

I tend to feel that voiding the season is fair to everyone but I do think there is an argument that each league should be made up to it's normal number if teams follow Bury and cannot continue financially.

[dim view]

dtp, on 26 March 2020 - 10:52 AM, said:

Are you saying there won't be arguments if, say, for example Leeds were to lose out on promotion because of decisions taken by Actuaries no matter how independent.
Then, for instance, there is current form to be taken into account as well as results over the season to date. In such a case, Barrow are not in the best of form, Ebbsfleet are doing well etc. So, if it was decided that Harrogate overtake Barrow and Barrow lost out in the play offs because of your random process are you telling us Ian Evatt will be over the moon?

Sorry, football is an unpredictable sport otherwise we might have all made a fortune on the pools and all the bookies would be bankrupt.

Randomness provides the unpredictability.

What are Barrow's odds on being champions? I would like to bet that Evo understands them well enough to take the bet. If they lose out through bad luck then their odds on finishing second are greatly enhanced.

[azul]

dim view, on 26 March 2020 - 01:00 PM, said:

Randomness provides the unpredictability.

What are Barrow's odds on being champions? I would like to bet that Evo understands them well enough to take the bet. If they lose out through bad luck then their odds on finishing second are greatly enhanced.

I thought you were initially taking the urine, but you weren’t were you!

[azul]

Benno Spire, on 26 March 2020 - 11:05 AM, said:

Unfortunately there will be winners and losers for every decision.
Personally I would have liked this season to have come to a natural conclusion but as each day goes by this is looking even more increasingly unlikely.
From a clubs point of view they have to consider player contracts, but also the impact of lost match day income.
If the season is stopped there will be a lot of players suddenly out of work as clubs will not rush to sign players until they know what is happening in relation to a date for the new season starting.
You could argue that for the sake of the players the season is concluded as the clubs may be able to access the Government and FA support to extend player contracts.
Clubs who have many injured players will be happy they would be able to return if a season is extended and squads could look very different so is this fair?

Possible scenarios.

Void existing season.
Season finished based on current position and points per game added where clubs have played less games.
Void existing season and use a mathematical formulae to award handicap points for next season based on points gained this season.
Create a mathematical algorithm to calculate final points tally taking into account seasonal form and form over the last 8 games.

The complication will be playoffs and it may be these are scrapped for this season in favour of the old fashioned promotion and relegation.

I for one would not like to be involved in the decision making especially as decisions will need to be taken without knowing a possible new start date.

As always every fan and club will favour any decision that benefits their team.

So for me, void the season and start again as this benefits Chesterfield

So would every other method of bringing the season to conclusion, including your fancy dan algorithm approach (I think)

[JonB]

FA announced all football below National League level to be canned and results expunged.

[monte]

JonB, on 26 March 2020 - 03:47 PM, said:

FA announced all football below National League level to be canned and results expunged.

I just saw that, great for us, gotta say I'm gutted for Barrow.

Does this mean Sheridan gets rehired as he's now won the majority of his games in charge lol

[JonB]

monte, on 26 March 2020 - 03:57 PM, said:

I just saw that, great for us, gotta say I'm gutted for Barrow.

Does this mean Sheridan gets rehired as he's now won the majority of his games in charge lol

This decision doesnt affect us, we're not cancelled. Leagues below National League North\South are cancelled but National League and National League North\South are still going as it stands with them looking to see how it can be finished.

[azul]

JonB, on 26 March 2020 - 03:58 PM, said:

This decision doesnt affect us, we're not cancelled. Leagues below National League North\South are cancelled but National League and National League North\South are still going as it stands with them looking to see how it can be finished.

The next thing will be the restructuring of the NLS and NLN and below that was due next season as well as accounting for any casualties that occur.

[calvin plummers socks]

monte, on 26 March 2020 - 03:57 PM, said:

I just saw that, great for us, gotta say I'm gutted for Barrow.

Does this mean Sheridan gets rehired as he's now won the majority of his games in charge lol

Not quite yet- still a few sticking points!

A few options being discussed:-

Cancel the league and pay the potential champions the payments they would have expected to receive upon promotion to the League

Work out league positions on points per game (some want it some obviously don’t) and play a play offs as soon as safe to do so

Retain the league as it stands as a finishing position (a non starter)

[Westbars Spireite]

So Staveley aren't promoted?

[charleyfarley11]

Correct unfortunately

[moondog]

Westbars Spireite, on 26 March 2020 - 04:34 PM, said:

So Staveley aren't promoted?

Looks that way but they did state before the decision was made on their Facebook page that voiding was the fairest option