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DerbySpireite57, on 11 April 2020 - 12:20 PM, said:

The Premeir League is the FA's own competition.

The point I was making is the Prem has more money than the FA, hence more influence and therefore it Will defer. Also remember UEFA is in the loop

[moondog]

The North & South Clubs get to vote first on how to decide the outcome, with the National League voting after

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[DerbySpireite59]

dtp, on 11 April 2020 - 11:38 AM, said:

My view is that next season should not be messed about with for the sake of this season. The longer coronavirus affects this season the less likely it is that this season can be concluded on a fair basis anyway. Any form of mini-season possibly involving clubs with different squads is not the way the league is intended to be played out. Current form from when the last matches were played is unlikely to be carried forward after a long break. Clubs at the top and in with the best chance of promotion if a mini-season is played will be best placed to attract the best and more ambitious out if contract players and, likewise, those most likely to be relegated will be disadvantaged regarding recruitment. This, in itself, could create an unfair competition.

So, if this season cannot be concluded on a fair basis and it can't bearing in mind that a lot of players at a number of clubs are out of contract at the end of this very month, it should be frozen.

Regarding promotions and relegations this could become even more complicated than merely coming up with a mathematical formulae which will only please those that stand to gain by it even though every club, manager, and player always say the season is not over until it's impossible for them to get the required points to acheive either promotion or avoid relegation. And, no club is in that position in the NL whatever they may argue.

Then, the real complications remain regarding any decisions the EFL make over which the NL have no say and how many clubs actually survive and will be in a position to guarantee fulfilling all their fixtures next season. If, for instance, the EFL lose 3 or 4 clubs, bearing in mind they are already one down and the likes of Macclesfield, Oldham etc already had some financial doubts against their names before this virus came into play, what the EFL do can have a big impact on the NL. Not that I think it will happen, but what if the EFL decided to save some money in terms of parachute payments to previously relegated clubs and in pecking order invited those relegated clubs to re-join the EFL starting with Notts County & Yeovil (those 2 wouldn't vote against that would they?). They could also decide not to relegate Stevenage who, in turn, wouldn't vote against that if they get a vote.

Bearing in mind the NL never decided if 3 or 4 clubs were to be relegated this season maybe it's best they stick to decisions regarding promotions and relegations from it's own leagues - are any clubs to be promoted from NL North & South and how many determines the number to be relegated from our league. Then await whatever the EFL comes up with because this will give more insight into promotions from the NL.

Actually......mathematically.....Barrow can't be relegated but could still miss out on the play offs. I imagine there's others too, due to the remaining fixtures.

[DerbySpireite59]

moondog, on 11 April 2020 - 11:21 AM, said:

The ending the season decision has been made as the 3 votes to come in as at yesterday won't have a material impact on the 85% majority.

I can't see how there can be any options on the next vote above expunging all results v deciding outcomes on points per game.

If they decide on the latter and this includes play offs we won't be involved.

My understanding is that the 1st ballot is to end the season now. The second is to determine the final positions, which could still include play-offs.

IMHO those play-offs could include all clubs deemed reasonably to have been in promotion and relegation fights.

Then the reasonable tests to be agreed, and then applied.

There could be weightings given, I suppose, like home advantage and/or 1/2 goal leads. Maybe teams given as "away goal rule" advantage.

As the NL had never addressed the 4th relegation spot, that will need nailing.
Perhaps involving a team from the NL South or North?

Theres a long way to go yet on all of
this.

By the way MD, how do you know that 85% of NL clubs had already voted and what they'd voted for? Ive not read anything.

[SpireiTed]

There’s always going to be an argument from the clubs who miss out but if the season ends now then the obvious thing to do is top 2 clubs go up as we can’t have any play offs and bottom 4 go down.

[Tha Knows...]

DerbySpireite57, on 11 April 2020 - 02:25 PM, said:

My understanding is that the 1st ballot is to end the season now. The second is to determine the final positions, which could still include play-offs.

IMHO those play-offs could include all clubs deemed reasonably to have been in promotion and relegation fights.

Then the reasonable tests to be agreed, and then applied.

There could be weightings given, I suppose, like home advantage and/or 1/2 goal leads. Maybe teams given as "away goal rule" advantage.

As the NL had never addressed the 4th relegation spot, that will need nailing.
Perhaps involving a team from the NL South or North?

Theres a long way to go yet on all of
this.

By the way MD, how do you know that 85% of NL clubs had already voted and what they'd voted for? Ive not read anything.

Too complicated just void the season

[Tha Knows...]

SpireiTed, on 11 April 2020 - 02:34 PM, said:

There’s always going to be an argument from the clubs who miss out but if the season ends now then the obvious thing to do is top 2 clubs go up as we can’t have any play offs and bottom 4 go down.

It's not the obvious thing it's an assumption and as we all know football is a funny game. Start playing games of prediction and murky legal waters appear

[Tha Knows...]

DerbySpireite57, on 11 April 2020 - 02:02 PM, said:

Actually......mathematically.....Barrow can't be relegated but could still miss out on the play offs. I imagine there's others too, due to the remaining fixtures.

If that is correct, that Barrow could miss the play offs mathematically, only an idiot would promote them as it stands. Same goes for Harrogate

[moondog]

DerbySpireite57, on 11 April 2020 - 02:25 PM, said:

My understanding is that the 1st ballot is to end the season now. The second is to determine the final positions, which could still include play-offs.

IMHO those play-offs could include all clubs deemed reasonably to have been in promotion and relegation fights.

Then the reasonable tests to be agreed, and then applied.

There could be weightings given, I suppose, like home advantage and/or 1/2 goal leads. Maybe teams given as "away goal rule" advantage.

As the NL had never addressed the 4th relegation spot, that will need nailing.
Perhaps involving a team from the NL South or North?

Theres a long way to go yet on all of
this.

By the way MD, how do you know that 85% of NL clubs had already voted and what they'd voted for? Ive not read anything.

I read a media report somewhere and thought I'd posted the link on this thread but can't find it now, somebody tell me I didn't dream it !

[moondog]

moondog, on 11 April 2020 - 04:00 PM, said:

I read a media report somewhere and thought I'd posted the link on this thread but can't find it now, somebody tell me I didn't dream it !

Ooops, SORRY, I must be going senile, it was the Scottish Vote that stood at 85% with some votes still to come in

[DerbySpireite59]

moondog, on 11 April 2020 - 04:08 PM, said:

Ooops, SORRY, I must be going senile, it was the Scottish Vote that stood at 85% with some votes still to come in

Very rare that you're not right MD.lol

[DerbySpireite59]

Spire-Power, on 11 April 2020 - 03:28 PM, said:

Too complicated just void the season

I dont think that's an option.
I think the first ballot is whether, or not, to cancel all existing fixtures.
Then, if the result us to cancel them, then second ballot is how to determine the final positions, which could include play-offs. Voiding the season doesn't appear to be an option.

[hardgums]

Spire-Power, on 11 April 2020 - 03:28 PM, said:

Too complicated just void the season

This

[moondog]

DerbySpireite57, on 11 April 2020 - 06:23 PM, said:

Very rare that you're not right MD.lol

🙂 When I am I like to make it a good one

[Mr Mercury]

Spire-Power, on 11 April 2020 - 03:28 PM, said:

Too complicated just void the season

Either void the season or finish it when all this is over, no,other option really. Any final tables taken now will be a legal minefield

[dim view]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 11 April 2020 - 10:03 AM, said:

There is another option.

Call it 'book-ended', 'ring-fenced' or simply 'unfinished', but why can't the 2019/20 season simply stand alone alongside a huge asterix stating 'Covid19'?

As for penalties and suspensions, wouldn't they be carried over anyway? So if anyone's facing one it kicks in whenever the 20/21 campaign begins.

set me thinking this. Nowt else to do.
Why not extend the current competition into a 'play each other 4 times over two seasons, finishing in April 2021?

So when we start again the league table is as it is and we go from there. Funding from the League, contracts, signings happen as normal in the usual slots and prize money is either doubled in 2021 or paid out after all teams have played each other twice. Any club that can prove genuine financial hardship because of this system can apply for a COVID 19 grant.

For us, fully expecting to continue in the NL next season, it would be business as usual except that we start 26 points behind Barrow.

There must be a catch, don't be too hard on me.

[Jbspire]

dim view, on 12 April 2020 - 09:20 AM, said:

set me thinking this. Nowt else to do.
Why not extend the current competition into a 'play each other 4 times over two seasons, finishing in April 2021?

So when we start again the league table is as it is and we go from there. Funding from the League, contracts, signings happen as normal in the usual slots and prize money is either doubled in 2021 or paid out after all teams have played each other twice. Any club that can prove genuine financial hardship because of this system can apply for a COVID 19 grant.

For us, fully expecting to continue in the NL next season, it would be business as usual except that we start 26 points behind Barrow.

There must be a catch, don't be too hard on me.

I like this solution

[DerbySpireite59]

dim view, on 12 April 2020 - 09:20 AM, said:

set me thinking this. Nowt else to do.
Why not extend the current competition into a 'play each other 4 times over two seasons, finishing in April 2021?

So when we start again the league table is as it is and we go from there. Funding from the League, contracts, signings happen as normal in the usual slots and prize money is either doubled in 2021 or paid out after all teams have played each other twice. Any club that can prove genuine financial hardship because of this system can apply for a COVID 19 grant.

For us, fully expecting to continue in the NL next season, it would be business as usual except that we start 26 points behind Barrow.

There must be a catch, don't be too hard on me.

I like your thinking. Imho the main problem here is that on average clubs would have to play 54 league games next season.

However, excuse them from the FA Trophy.

[Tha Knows...]

DerbySpireite57, on 12 April 2020 - 12:07 PM, said:

I like your thinking. Imho the main problem here is that on average clubs would have to play 54 league games next season.

However, excuse them from the FA Trophy.

Plus add a winter break to mitigate the extra games? Season could finish a bit later in 2021 and aim to get back to normal by 2022 . For us the best we could hope for is the play offs but that's probably the case regardless of starting next season with a points handicap.
Anyway well done DV, you've kept your genius well hidden up til now.

[moondog]

The National League have confirmed the first round of voting doesn't have to be in until 7 May as per League rules.

So if the club's take the 28 days for the second vote it will be June before everyone knows their fate