[Somerset Spireite]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 11 April 2020 - 10:03 AM, said:

There is another option.

Call it 'book-ended', 'ring-fenced' or simply 'unfinished', but why can't the 2019/20 season simply stand alone alongside a huge asterix stating 'Covid19'?

As for penalties and suspensions, wouldn't they be carried over anyway? So if anyone's facing one it kicks in whenever the 20/21 campaign begins.

Wasn't Obelix the big one rather than Asterix?

[Tha Knows...]

dim view, on 11 April 2020 - 08:41 AM, said:

Yep, so you keep saying.

Everybody knows what CFC's best option is, but what is the fairest?

All clubs will vote for the best option for themselves.

[dim view]

Spire-Power, on 11 April 2020 - 10:16 AM, said:

All clubs will vote for the best option for themselves.

No point doing it then as you could forecast the outcome now without doing any forecasting, as with the PPG option.

[Tha Knows...]

dim view, on 11 April 2020 - 10:21 AM, said:

No point doing it then as you could forecast the outcome now without doing any forecasting, as with the PPG option.

Pls tell me the outcome

[moondog]

Spire-Power, on 11 April 2020 - 10:16 AM, said:

All clubs will vote for the best option for themselves.

Many like us will be neutral as an outcome where we are disadvantaged more then others i.e.relegated wouldn't appear to be possible.

[azul]

Did the NL set a threshold like the SPFL or is it a straight majority

Doing it in two phases, i.e. to terminate or not and then the method will make things interesting. I reckon the second ballot will really show the vested interests in the various interests.

Do we know if the vote is combined throughout the 3 leagues or tallied individually. I would think most clubs that are part time will just want the whole thing to end ASAP if they can terminate players contracts earlier than the likes of us.

[azul]

moondog, on 11 April 2020 - 10:59 AM, said:

Many like us will be neutral as an outcome where we are disadvantaged more then others i.e.relegated wouldn't appear to be possible.

Not sure we’d be neutral. Ending the season and having a simple solution will suit us and the large majority of clubs

[dim view]

Spire-Power, on 11 April 2020 - 10:25 AM, said:

Pls tell me the outcome

It would be much easier if you could name the clubs in our league whose chairman, you think, will have a voting dilemma given that no more matches will be played.

[moondog]

azul, on 11 April 2020 - 11:14 AM, said:

Not sure we’d be neutral. Ending the season and having a simple solution will suit us and the large majority of clubs

The ending the season decision has been made as the 3 votes to come in as at yesterday won't have a material impact on the 85% majority.

I can't see how there can be any options on the next vote above expunging all results v deciding outcomes on points per game.

If they decide on the latter and this includes play offs we won't be involved.

[Tha Knows...]

moondog, on 11 April 2020 - 11:21 AM, said:

The ending the season decision has been made as the 3 votes to come in as at yesterday won't have a material impact on the 85% majority.

I can't see how there can be any options on the next vote above expunging all results v deciding outcomes on points per game.

If they decide on the latter and this includes play offs we won't be involved.

Do you mean not affected? Thought we'd be involved in the voting.

[moondog]

Spire-Power, on 11 April 2020 - 11:30 AM, said:

Do you mean not affected? Thought we'd be involved in the voting.

We are but whilst the vote and outcome affects other teams it won't us.

[dtp]

moondog, on 11 April 2020 - 10:59 AM, said:

Many like us will be neutral as an outcome where we are disadvantaged more then others i.e.relegated wouldn't appear to be possible.

My view is that next season should not be messed about with for the sake of this season. The longer coronavirus affects this season the less likely it is that this season can be concluded on a fair basis anyway. Any form of mini-season possibly involving clubs with different squads is not the way the league is intended to be played out. Current form from when the last matches were played is unlikely to be carried forward after a long break. Clubs at the top and in with the best chance of promotion if a mini-season is played will be best placed to attract the best and more ambitious out if contract players and, likewise, those most likely to be relegated will be disadvantaged regarding recruitment. This, in itself, could create an unfair competition.

So, if this season cannot be concluded on a fair basis and it can't bearing in mind that a lot of players at a number of clubs are out of contract at the end of this very month, it should be frozen.

Regarding promotions and relegations this could become even more complicated than merely coming up with a mathematical formulae which will only please those that stand to gain by it even though every club, manager, and player always say the season is not over until it's impossible for them to get the required points to acheive either promotion or avoid relegation. And, no club is in that position in the NL whatever they may argue.

Then, the real complications remain regarding any decisions the EFL make over which the NL have no say and how many clubs actually survive and will be in a position to guarantee fulfilling all their fixtures next season. If, for instance, the EFL lose 3 or 4 clubs, bearing in mind they are already one down and the likes of Macclesfield, Oldham etc already had some financial doubts against their names before this virus came into play, what the EFL do can have a big impact on the NL. Not that I think it will happen, but what if the EFL decided to save some money in terms of parachute payments to previously relegated clubs and in pecking order invited those relegated clubs to re-join the EFL starting with Notts County & Yeovil (those 2 wouldn't vote against that would they?). They could also decide not to relegate Stevenage who, in turn, wouldn't vote against that if they get a vote.

Bearing in mind the NL never decided if 3 or 4 clubs were to be relegated this season maybe it's best they stick to decisions regarding promotions and relegations from it's own leagues - are any clubs to be promoted from NL North & South and how many determines the number to be relegated from our league. Then await whatever the EFL comes up with because this will give more insight into promotions from the NL.

[azul]

moondog, on 11 April 2020 - 11:21 AM, said:

The ending the season decision has been made as the 3 votes to come in as at yesterday won't have a material impact on the 85% majority.

I can't see how there can be any options on the next vote above expunging all results v deciding outcomes on points per game.

If they decide on the latter and this includes play offs we won't be involved.

That is a massive majority. It will be interesting to see the divisional divide. I agree about the voting choice in the second ballot. It could become ugly some clubs but the likes of us wouldn’t be too bothered either way if they were the choices

Is there any clarification on what was meant by relegation playoffs or was it just sloppy language

[60s 70s Spireite]

azul, on 11 April 2020 - 11:40 AM, said:

That is a massive majority. It will be interesting to see the divisional divide. I agree about the voting choice in the second ballot. It could become ugly some clubs but the likes of us wouldn’t be too bothered either way if they were the choices

Is there any clarification on what was meant by relegation playoffs or was it just sloppy language

Isn’t that the issue for us, play offs for relegation? There is a concern in some quarters that is what’s being mooted, and if if agreed, I can’t see how we wouldn’t be involved.

[DerbySpireite59]

Spire-Power, on 11 April 2020 - 08:40 AM, said:

It depends if NL has the power/autonomy to prevent promotion to EFL and refuse to admit relegated FL2 Stevenage. If so it can void everything. But I think FA has to endorse it.

Hasn't the FA already set precedent by endorsing the approach taken by all of the leagues at Step 3 and below?
Rhetorical question.
If it"s based on being thedufference between the professional game v the semi-pro/amateur game then that's very difficult too.
Theres semi-pro clubs at our level and fully pro clubs in the North and South level.
All very interesting to see how it pans out.

The other thing is, it might not matter. We all get wiped out anyway. That would settle it once and for all.

[DerbySpireite59]

azul, on 11 April 2020 - 10:02 AM, said:

The threat of litigation doesn't seem to have detered the SPFL. How many NL clubs will be in a position put their money where their mouth is anywhere

Favourites are Voiding or Points/Game everything else is at Bar.

I'm still a bit baffled at how the NL can make a unilateral decision on concluding the season without knowing what the EFL (and EPL) are proposin. I agree that the FA should have mandated a common approach but they play second fiddle to the Premiership and UEFA

The Premeir League is the FA's own competition.

[azul]

60s 70s Spireite, on 11 April 2020 - 12:12 PM, said:

Isn’t that the issue for us, play offs for relegation? There is a concern in some quarters that is what’s being mooted, and if if agreed, I can’t see how we wouldn’t be involved.

I have never seen this reference to playoffs for relegation spots apart from that BBC report. I can’t see anyone voting for that apart from the clubs currently in the relegation spots and their first choice surely would be to ‘void’ the season

[moondog]

azul, on 11 April 2020 - 12:21 PM, said:

I have never seen this reference to playoffs for relegation spots apart from that BBC report. I can’t see anyone voting for that apart from the clubs currently in the relegation spots and their first choice surely would be to ‘void’ the season

Any play offs would be a daft option in my opinion when no one knows if they can get played and squads can't be guaranteed to be the same

[60s 70s Spireite]

azul, on 11 April 2020 - 12:21 PM, said:

I have never seen this reference to playoffs for relegation spots apart from that BBC report. I can’t see anyone voting for that apart from the clubs currently in the relegation spots and their first choice surely would be to ‘void’ the season

I suppose teams well away from the relegation spots could vote for it also.
I read a report on those sectors that have been good and those bad at communication during the crisis, insurance companies being the worst. The National League must rank well below them. Still not a jot on their site.

[azul]

moondog, on 11 April 2020 - 12:38 PM, said:

Any play offs would be a daft option in my opinion when no one knows if they can get played and squads can't be guaranteed to be the same

It is barking mad idea for those reasons, but this is football after all