[moondog]

clarevoyant., on 10 April 2020 - 08:59 PM, said:

What's that then?

Where if a game is abandoned the authorities have the discretion to rule that the score still stands

[DerbySpireite59]

moondog, on 10 April 2020 - 09:10 PM, said:

Where if a game is abandoned the authorities have the discretion to rule that the score still stands

However, imho, the way things stand in the NL there's no way they could rule that the table still stands, other than Chorley.
Furthermore, there's still promotion play offs, which sit outside of the table. I think Notts County or Yeovil would win them, not Harrogate or Barrow.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

spireitetoo, on 10 April 2020 - 06:52 PM, said:

Since when has he and dave give a fying f... About the supporters opinion..
Could be 1 last chance to shaft the club before the takeover.?

Wasn't there once a preference poll for shirts already ordered?

But anyway, just a lame PR stunt from a bloke who'd never show his face again if he gave a flying fornication what fans think...

[DerbySpireite59]

DerbySpireite57, on 11 April 2020 - 07:00 AM, said:

However, imho, the way things stand in the NL there's no way they could rule that the table still stands, other than Chorley.
Furthermore, there's still promotion play offs, which sit outside of the table. I think Notts County or Yeovil would win them, not Harrogate or Barrow.

One of the most interesting aspects is that the National League has a clear steer from the tiers below.i.e no relegation from the NLNorth and NLSouth. However, it looks likely that there will still be promotion from the NL to EFL2.Sent

So how does it address relegation/promotion between the NL and the NLS and NLN.?

[dim view]

moondog, on 10 April 2020 - 05:55 PM, said:

Then there will be a vote to decide on if and how to sort out the placings.

AC says he's willing to take the view of the fans into account when casting his vote, so I'll set up a poll on here when he gets the options through

I wonder who decides what should be on the ballot paper?

I'd vote for random selection based on actuarial odds because no club could say the odds are unfair and selection is pot luck. So, for example, Barrow are 20 to 1 on to be in the top 2. The chance of their ball not being selected is the same as their chance of losing so many points by playing that they fail.

Will that option be on there?

[moondog]

dim view, on 11 April 2020 - 07:49 AM, said:

I wonder who decides what should be on the ballot paper?

I'd vote for random selection based on actuarial odds because no club could say the odds are unfair and selection is pot luck. So, for example, Barrow are 20 to 1 on to be in the top 2. The chance of their ball not being selected is the same as their chance of losing so many points by playing that they fail.

Will that option be on there?

I doubt it Dave, I believe the National League Board will be providing the options.

For me this shouldn't have been up to each League and as a minimum the FA should have set the same solution to be applied throughout the pyramid, less argument then.

This then should be built into the FA rulebook to apply for a similar future occurence

[Tha Knows...]

Agree, totally void every league.

[dim view]

moondog, on 11 April 2020 - 08:11 AM, said:

I doubt it Dave, I believe the National League Board will be providing the options.

For me this shouldn't have been up to each League and as a minimum the FA should have set the same solution to be applied throughout the pyramid, less argument then.

This then should be built into the FA rulebook to apply for a similar future occurence

morning
Yep, I agree. Right up to FIFA level.

IMO, it's a complete waste of time running with Carson's idea unless everybody's second selection is adopted as peoples' first selection will render it a farce.

[Tha Knows...]

dim view, on 11 April 2020 - 07:49 AM, said:

I wonder who decides what should be on the ballot paper?

I'd vote for random selection based on actuarial odds because no club could say the odds are unfair and selection is pot luck. So, for example, Barrow are 20 to 1 on to be in the top 2. The chance of their ball not being selected is the same as their chance of losing so many points by playing that they fail.

Will that option be on there?

Doubt it. Best option for us is void the season - if we will get another parachute payment. If not points per game will also keep us up.

[Tha Knows...]

DerbySpireite57, on 11 April 2020 - 07:30 AM, said:

One of the most interesting aspects is that the National League has a clear steer from the tiers below.i.e no relegation from the NLNorth and NLSouth. However, it looks likely that there will still be promotion from the NL to EFL2.Sent

So how does it address relegation/promotion between the NL and the NLS and NLN.?

It depends if NL has the power/autonomy to prevent promotion to EFL and refuse to admit relegated FL2 Stevenage. If so it can void everything. But I think FA has to endorse it.

[dim view]

Spire-Power, on 11 April 2020 - 08:32 AM, said:

Doubt it. Best option for us is void the season - if we will get another parachute payment. If not points per game will also keep us up.

Yep, so you keep saying.

Everybody knows what CFC's best option is, but what is the fairest?

I don't see how the NL Board can proceed without taking expert legal advice on the contents of the ballot paper.

[moondog]

Spire-Power, on 11 April 2020 - 08:32 AM, said:

Doubt it. Best option for us is void the season - if we will get another parachute payment. If not points per game will also keep us up.

I think you've provided the reason why it won't be voided, will players have to return win bonuses ?, will fines and suspensions be rescinded, will we get a full season ticket refund?...

[Valley Blues]

moondog, on 11 April 2020 - 08:46 AM, said:

I think you've provided the reason why it won't be voided, will players have to return win bonuses ?, will fines and suspensions be rescinded, will we get a full season ticket refund?...

Will a club booted out of L1 for being unable to fulfil fixtures return to L1 as the season never existed?

[moondog]

Valley Blues, on 11 April 2020 - 08:53 AM, said:

Will a club booted out of L1 for being unable to fulfil fixtures return to L1 as the season never existed?

Exactly, too many complications to make it viable, although it was done at steps 3-7

[calvin plummers socks]

dim view, on 11 April 2020 - 07:49 AM, said:

I wonder who decides what should be on the ballot paper?

I'd vote for random selection based on actuarial odds because no club could say the odds are unfair and selection is pot luck. So, for example, Barrow are 20 to 1 on to be in the top 2. The chance of their ball not being selected is the same as their chance of losing so many points by playing that they fail.

Will that option be on there?

Very similar to the post I put on last week is still the options apparently on the table

[dim view]

calvin plummers socks, on 11 April 2020 - 09:39 AM, said:

Very similar to the post I put on last week is still the options apparently on the table

Do to my strict religious upbringing, I'm not in to online betting sites. Just to humour me, can somebody please tell me what the odds of us being relegated were after we played our last match?

We can then ask Ashley if he would accept those odds as a fair means of reconciling the problem.

[azul]

The threat of litigation doesn't seem to have detered the SPFL. How many NL clubs will be in a position put their money where their mouth is anywhere

Favourites are Voiding or Points/Game everything else is at Bar.

I'm still a bit baffled at how the NL can make a unilateral decision on concluding the season without knowing what the EFL (and EPL) are proposin. I agree that the FA should have mandated a common approach but they play second fiddle to the Premiership and UEFA

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

There is another option.

Call it 'book-ended', 'ring-fenced' or simply 'unfinished', but why can't the 2019/20 season simply stand alone alongside a huge asterix stating 'Covid19'?

As for penalties and suspensions, wouldn't they be carried over anyway? So if anyone's facing one it kicks in whenever the 20/21 campaign begins.

[azul]

dim view, on 11 April 2020 - 08:30 AM, said:

morning
Yep, I agree. Right up to FIFA level.

IMO, it's a complete waste of time running with Carson's idea unless everybody's second selection is adopted as peoples' first selection will render it a farce.

Well UEFA have already threatened the top leagues about terminating the seasons and relaxed the restrictions on televising 3pm kickoffs, possibly preparing the ground for behind closed door games

[azul]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 11 April 2020 - 10:03 AM, said:

There is another option.

Call it 'book-ended', 'ring-fenced' or simply 'unfinished', but why can't the 2019/20 season simply stand alone alongside a huge asterix stating 'Covid19'?

As for penalties and suspensions, wouldn't they be carried over anyway? So if anyone's facing one it kicks in whenever the 20/21 campaign begins.

I agree, voided is a clumsy word. If they do go down that route they'll probably choose a different word