[The Earl of Chesterfield]

azul, on 09 April 2020 - 09:07 PM, said:

You sound surprised, when do the rich care about the poor?

Yeah, but let's not generalise.

We've seen individual players - including Town's - make significant gestures. Gestures replicated throughout society. But whilst both public and politicians once again applauded those who've so often been bottom their list, I wonder if those donating tens of thousands to Tory coffers a few weeks ago will do the same to the NHS. Not just this, but every year. All those off-shore account holding millionaires who chucked a fortune at Brexit. All those wealthy characters who fund right wing lobby groups like the 'Taxpayers Alliance' in a bid to CUT public spending.

It's unrealistic to expect Premiership owners to give a damn about the rest. In fact they'd probably remind us we've a multi-millionaire owner of our own. However if there's one positive to come out of this whole sh*t show let it be future governments ensure EVERYONE pays their due towards properly prepared services.

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[Tha Knows...]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 10 April 2020 - 07:47 AM, said:

We've seen individual players - including Town's - make significant gestures. Gestures replicated throughout society.
It's unrealistic to expect Premiership owners to give a damn about the rest. In fact they'd probably remind us we've a multi-millionaire owner of our own.

PL have never cared about the small clubs. It's just a money monster. Crazy when one player can earn more than an entire club lower down the FL.

[dtp]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 10 April 2020 - 07:47 AM, said:

Yeah, but let's not generalise.

We've seen individual players - including Town's - make significant gestures. Gestures replicated throughout society. But whilst both public and politicians once again applauded those who've so often been bottom their list, I wonder if those donating tens of thousands to Tory coffers a few weeks ago will do the same to the NHS. Not just this, but every year. All those off-shore account holding millionaires who chucked a fortune at Brexit. All those wealthy characters who fund right wing lobby groups like the 'Taxpayers Alliance' in a bid to CUT public spending.

It's unrealistic to expect Premiership owners to give a damn about the rest. In fact they'd probably remind us we've a multi-millionaire owner of our own. However if there's one positive to come out of this whole sh*t show let it be future governments ensure EVERYONE pays their due towards properly prepared services.

I suppose that when we think of Premiership owners, Chris, there might be a high proportion that are not UK citizens so they might have more interest in their home countries issues than those of the UK. Then, a number of these owners are people that have become super rich in communist countries etc which suggests other forms of political systems do not actually work fairly either.

In fairness to our owner he did give quite a sum to the Sheffield hospitals last year I believe.

But, my basic issue regarding some of the Premiership clubs is that how quickly they were prepared to furlough non-playing staff to take advantage of government/tax payers money whilst continuing to pay in full their millionaire players. In short, this is tantamount to the government funding the budgets of these clubs and helping finance players wages. It was interesting how quickly Liverpool did an about turn when they realised this was a less than popular move by them.

By the way, out of interest, how do you rate the millionaire Starmer compared to the millionaire Corbyn in your political thinking? My first thoughts are that they are somewhat apart politically as they both are from the millionaire Milliband and the millionaires Brown and Blair before him. Keir starts with a clean sheet with me so I'll wait and see.

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[The Earl of Chesterfield]

dtp, on 10 April 2020 - 12:15 PM, said:

I suppose that when we think of Premiership owners, Chris, there might be a high proportion that are not UK citizens so they might have more interest in their home countries issues than those of the UK. Then, a number of these owners are people that have become super rich in communist countries etc which suggests other forms of political systems do not actually work fairly either.

In fairness to our owner he did give quite a sum to the Sheffield hospitals last year I believe.

But, my basic issue regarding some of the Premiership clubs is that how quickly they were prepared to furlough non-playing staff to take advantage of government/tax payers money whilst continuing to pay in full their millionaire players. In short, this is tantamount to the government funding the budgets of these clubs and helping finance players wages. It was interesting how quickly Liverpool did an about turn when they realised this was a less than popular move by them.

By the way, out of interest, how do you rate the millionaire Starmer compared to the millionaire Corbyn in your political thinking? My first thoughts are that they are somewhat apart politically as they both are from the millionaire Milliband and the millionaires Brown and Blair before him. Keir starts with a clean sheet with me so I'll wait and see.

Much to agree with here, Dave.

As for the Labour leaders referenced, some may be millionaires through having London homes but I'm pretty sure most are far from being millionaires through income.

And a million miles away from their political opponents who've repeatedly undermined public services to fund tax cuts.

Your 'clean slate' point is valid, though. I applauded the millionaire Cameron's same sex marriage policy - in the face of stern resistance from his party, I applaud the millionaire Allen giving to charity and I applaud all those millionaires in the world of football and beyond currently making gestures.

But to paraphrase a well known adage; supporting the NHS is for life, not just epidemics...

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[dtp]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 10 April 2020 - 12:56 PM, said:

Much to agree with here, Dave.

As for the Labour leaders referenced, some may be millionaires through having London homes but I'm pretty sure most are far from being millionaires through income.

And a million miles away from their political opponents who've repeatedly undermined public services to fund tax cuts.

Your 'clean slate' point is valid, though. I applauded the millionaire Cameron's same sex marriage policy - in the face of stern resistance from his party, I applaud the millionaire Allen giving to charity and I applaud all those millionaires in the world of football and beyond currently making gestures.

But to paraphrase a well known adage; supporting the NHS is for life, not just epidemics...

Keep safe, Chris, and let's hope we are looking towards a future in which our much loved CFC fight to see another day whatever transpires regarding ownership.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

dtp, on 10 April 2020 - 12:15 PM, said:

I suppose that when we think of Premiership owners, Chris, there might be a high proportion that are not UK citizens so they might have more interest in their home countries issues than those of the UK. Then, a number of these owners are people that have become super rich in communist countries etc which suggests other forms of political systems do not actually work fairly either.

In fairness to our owner he did give quite a sum to the Sheffield hospitals last year I believe.

But, my basic issue regarding some of the Premiership clubs is that how quickly they were prepared to furlough non-playing staff to take advantage of government/tax payers money whilst continuing to pay in full their millionaire players. In short, this is tantamount to the government funding the budgets of these clubs and helping finance players wages. It was interesting how quickly Liverpool did an about turn when they realised this was a less than popular move by them.

By the way, out of interest, how do you rate the millionaire Starmer compared to the millionaire Corbyn in your political thinking? My first thoughts are that they are somewhat apart politically as they both are from the millionaire Milliband and the millionaires Brown and Blair before him. Keir starts with a clean sheet with me so I'll wait and see.

Money in football stinks but you can blame the players for taking it.

There are many other millionaires and billionaire owners taking the government for a ride when they don’t need too. Fiddling tax and taking full advantage of everything in offer is why half of them are rich. Aren’t we paying companies that aren’t even English owned during the crisis? I know we don’t want long term unemployment and all the costs of that but some companies can well ride the storm.

Not sure I understand all the governments policies in this. Nobody can go out so presumably most people are spending less but we increase benefits and tax credits etc. Then in a years time when everybody gets used to that amount of money they will take it off them

[Westbars Spireite]

That's the league officially cancelled isn't it?

[azul]

Westbars Spireite, on 10 April 2020 - 04:25 PM, said:

That's the league officially cancelled isn't it?

Not yet - clubs are just voting on a resolution to cancel and we have voted for it

[moondog]

azul, on 10 April 2020 - 04:40 PM, said:

Not yet - clubs are just voting on a resolution to cancel and we have voted for it

Then there will be a vote to decide on if and how to sort out the placings.

AC says he's willing to take the view of the fans into account when casting his vote, so I'll set up a poll on here when he gets the options through

[spireitetoo]

moondog, on 10 April 2020 - 05:55 PM, said:

Then there will be a vote to decide on if and how to sort out the placings.

AC says he's willing to take the view of the fans into account when casting his vote, so I'll set up a poll on here when he gets the options through

Since when has he and dave give a fying f... About the supporters opinion..
Could be 1 last chance to shaft the club before the takeover.?

[howardb]

moondog, on 10 April 2020 - 05:55 PM, said:

Then there will be a vote to decide on if and how to sort out the placings.

AC says he's willing to take the view of the fans into account when casting his vote, so I'll set up a poll on here when he gets the options through

What worried me was the mention of promotion and relegation play-offs.

Could be a total lottery with such a lack of preparation time

[moondog]

howardb, on 10 April 2020 - 06:57 PM, said:

What worried me was the mention of promotion and relegation play-offs.

Could be a total lottery with such a lack of preparation time

I agree crazy idea you can't cancel the season but leave part of it open

[Westbars Spireite]

azul, on 10 April 2020 - 04:40 PM, said:

Not yet - clubs are just voting on a resolution to cancel and we have voted for it

Ah, I should read things properly. I thought it was confirmation of the result of the vote.

[moondog]

Scottish Clubs below the Premier League have voted to decide the outcome on points per game, which would get my vote


https://mol.im/a/8209057

[clarevoyant.]

howardb, on 10 April 2020 - 06:57 PM, said:

What worried me was the mention of promotion and relegation play-offs.

Could be a total lottery with such a lack of preparation time

Who'd be in these play offs?

Spurious scenario:-
Team A are in the final play off position 4 points,ahead of team B but have played a game more. However team A remaining 6 games are against teams in the top third of the table whereas team B remaining 7 games are against teams in the bottom third of the league. Fair?

Unfortunate, but it's a competition over a set criteria therefore should be null and void.

[moondog]

clarevoyant., on 10 April 2020 - 07:23 PM, said:

Who'd be in these play offs?

Spurious scenario:-
Team A are in the final play off position 4 points,ahead of team B but have played a game more. However team A remaining 6 games are against teams in the top third of the table whereas team B remaining 7 games are against teams in the bottom third of the league. Fair?

Unfortunate, but it's a competition over a set criteria therefore should be null and void.

I prefer the abandoned game analogy

[Tha Knows...]

clarevoyant., on 10 April 2020 - 07:23 PM, said:

Who'd be in these play offs?

Spurious scenario:-
Team A are in the final play off position 4 points,ahead of team B but have played a game more. However team A remaining 6 games are against teams in the top third of the table whereas team B remaining 7 games are against teams in the bottom third of the league. Fair?

Unfortunate, but it's a competition over a set criteria therefore should be null and void.

NL open up a can of worms unless they void the season.

[Tha Knows...]

Voiding isn't fair on Barrow and Harrogate but at least the decision eliminates claims that x y or z would have happened. As it stands we have Yeovil wanting all games played - even if the season doesn't end til October - just because they have a chance of going up through the play offs.

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[mr. smith]

Spire-Power, on 10 April 2020 - 07:58 PM, said:

Voiding isn't fair on Barrow and Harrogate but at least the decision eliminates claims that x y or z would have happened. As it stands we have Yeovil wanting all games played - even if the season doesn't end til October - just because they have a chance of going up through the play offs.

You either play them all as a normal season (not crammed into a short space of time or behind closed doors etc..) or you void it all.

[clarevoyant.]

moondog, on 10 April 2020 - 07:30 PM, said:

I prefer the abandoned game analogy

What's that then?