[azul]

frearsghost, on 03 April 2020 - 01:53 PM, said:

I've read the sources. There are lots of quotes and interpretations from others but nothing that attributes the quote directly to him. The villain of the piece seems to be one, Andrew Sibisky, a geneticist, who has made similar quotes in the past. In the absence of firm evidence it seems those who don't like Cummings have done polished up some cross fertilisation of quotes to smear their man.

Why would you condemn Cummings for having an interest in eugenics? Modern eugenics, better known as human genetic engineering, changes or removes genes to prevent disease, cure disease or improve your body in some significant way. The potential health benefits of human gene therapy are staggering since many devastating or life-threatening illnesses could be cured. Presently the DNA of the Caronavirus has been circulated world wide to scientists working on an anti viral vaccine. There are, of course, moral issue that must be overcome.

Just one Sibisky qoute (they're easy to find)

"One way to get around the problems of unplanned pregnancies creating a permanent underclass would be to legally enforce universal uptake of long-term contraception at the onset of puberty. Vaccination laws give it a precedent, I would argue"

And I would argue that has nothing to do with modern eugenics and more akin to what the Nazis were interested in.

Even Cummings has blogged about 'designer babies' and if that is 'modern eugenics' you can keep them.

But getting back to the point of Cummings stating "let them die", that kind of view would kind of dovetail with the more extreme end of Eugenics as would 'natural selection' or 'survival of the fittest' and 'herd immunity' (through natural process).

Anyway, we can all decide for ourselves how much this has to do with the governments tardy response.

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[Wooden Spoon]

At least we’ve got the Queens address to look forward to.






Did anyone see the virus in Italy yesterday on sky Atlantic? What an eye opener that was.






I don’t think anyone really realised how serious this is at the start. I started with a “not as bad as flu” “thousands die of flu” at the start.....but as information came out, my view changed. TF made a terrific post early on quoting medical staff.






I’m not sure either that posting racist quotes from sacked advisors is contributing to any debate either. Maybe stuff about the enforced contraception needs it’s own thread? It’s certainly worthy of discussion, but perhaps this thread isn’t the best place for it.






I’ll heed that advice and stop posting about China wet markets etc too.

[azul]

DEATH, on 03 April 2020 - 02:25 PM, said:

Two UK nursing staff in their 30s have died. Sad times.

At least two Asian doctors died last week as well. I think they volunteered for the front line

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[Wooden Spoon]

azul said:

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At least two Asian doctors died last week as well. I think they volunteered for the front line

One was retired wasn’t he? Selfless actions by him.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

azul, on 03 April 2020 - 02:53 PM, said:

Just one Sibisky qoute (they're easy to find)

"One way to get around the problems of unplanned pregnancies creating a permanent underclass would be to legally enforce universal uptake of long-term contraception at the onset of puberty. Vaccination laws give it a precedent, I would argue"

And I would argue that has nothing to do with modern eugenics and more akin to what the Nazis were interested in.

Even Cummings has blogged about 'designer babies' and if that is 'modern eugenics' you can keep them.

But getting back to the point of Cummings stating "let them die", that kind of view would kind of dovetail with the more extreme end of Eugenics as would 'natural selection' or 'survival of the fittest' and 'herd immunity' (through natural process).

Anyway, we can all decide for ourselves how much this has to do with the governments tardy response.

Well according to the BBC references someone calling themselves Andrew Sabinsky was contributing questionable comments to Cummins' website as long ago as 2014.

Yet Cummins didn't say it was a different bloke after hiring him. Or blame any 'Scunthorpe hacker', for that matter.

Which means to misquote 'Mrs Merton' we might ask: 'So Dominic, what first attracted you to the racist eugenicist weirdo misfit Andrew Sabinsky...'

By the way, d'y'think Hancock's 'two hundred and fifty thousand tests per day' will become Johnson's 'we're building forty hospitals' of the election?

Benno Spire, on 03 April 2020 - 02:42 PM, said:

I started writing a daily diary about the virus on 19th march, including pictures and reflecting on my thoughts, what is happening personally and everywhere else. My wife called me sad for starting it but now is involved in the input. This will be for my own personal reflection but felt when asked in 20-30 years time(providing Im still around) that I have something to look back on and refer to.

Wonder if Samuel Pepys' missus said the same about his diaries, Ian...

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[azul]

DEATH, on 03 April 2020 - 03:20 PM, said:

One was retired wasn’t he? Selfless actions by him.

I suspect the number of deaths of medics are in the scores by now (if not in the hundreds), China, Italy, Spain UK, America........

But I don't agree with your comments in that spread out post of yours. The causes and political aspects of the outbreak can't be separated from the human cost. I see no reason why they can't exist on the same thread although they do have a tendancy of going off piste and start to dominating.

[mr. smith]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 03 April 2020 - 03:23 PM, said:

Well according to the BBC references someone calling themselves Andrew Sabinsky was contributing questionable comments to Cummins' website as long ago as 2014.

Yet Cummins didn't say it was a different bloke after hiring him. Or blame any 'Scunthorpe hacker', for that matter.

Which means to misquote 'Mrs Merton' we might ask: 'So Dominic, what first attracted you to the racist eugenicist weirdo misfit Andrew Sabinsky...'

By the way, d'y'think Hancock's 'two hundred and fifty thousand tests per day' will become Johnson's 'we're building forty hospitals' of the election?





Wonder if Samuel Pepys' missus said the same about his diaries, Ian...

hes brazen enough to count the excel virus hospital as one.

I ay be a cynic but I think both sunik & hancock are both positioning themselves for leadership tilts (& with the tory party as it is it may be sooner rather than later)

[calvin plummers socks]

mr. smith, on 03 April 2020 - 04:45 PM, said:

hes brazen enough to count the excel virus hospital as one.

I ay be a cynic but I think both sunik & hancock are both positioning themselves for leadership tilts (& with the tory party as it is it may be sooner rather than later)

Hancock would be an absolute joke of course.

Sunik seems popular but I can’t see the Tories voting for a Muslim leader? (Edit even a Hindi one)!!

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[mr. smith]

calvin plummers socks, on 03 April 2020 - 04:53 PM, said:

Hancock would be an absolute joke of course.

Sunik seems popular but I can’t see the Tories voting for a Muslim leader? (Edit even a Hindi one)!!

hancock the last couple of days has come over more leaderly (if that's a word, id have said statesmanlike but that's way too far) & has subtly distanced himself from some of johnsons (their) earlier failings.

accept your sunik point but hes popular at moment & could ride that. its a fine dividing line between popular & threat though, he could find himself being sidelined

[azul]

I was speaking to my niece the other day. She is a radiographer in a well known cancer hospital in Greater Manchester and normally worked off her feet. Now she is sitting around waiting for some customers. It’s a different speciality to those needing scanned for lung diseases but she has trained and worked in that area. She is fully expecting to be asked to volunteer for retraining and redeployment very soon. She’s got very young children and in no rush to volunteer, but she says she’ll do her duty when asked.

I asked her what’s happening to the cancer patients, there was a long silence.

There’s going to be huge collateral damage. The crisis is almost unimaginable.

[Heavy_Soul]

azul, on 03 April 2020 - 06:17 PM, said:

I was speaking to my niece the other day. She is a radiographer in a well known cancer hospital in Greater Manchester and normally worked off her feet. Now she is sitting around waiting for some customers. It’s a different speciality to those needing scanned for lung diseases but she has trained and worked in that area. She is fully expecting to be asked to volunteer for retraining and redeployment very soon. She’s got very young children and in no rush to volunteer, but she says she’ll do her duty when asked.

I asked her what’s happening to the cancer patients, there was a long silence.

There’s going to be huge collateral damage. The crisis is almost unimaginable.

The Christie hospital?

[Wooden Spoon]

azul said:

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I see no reason why they can't exist on the same thread although they do have a tendancy of going off piste and start to dominating.

That’s exactly why I said it!

[azul]

Heavy_Soul, on 03 April 2020 - 06:21 PM, said:

The Christie hospital?

Yes

[azul]

DEATH, on 03 April 2020 - 06:29 PM, said:

That’s exactly why I said it!

Nah

[azul]

mr. smith, on 03 April 2020 - 05:13 PM, said:

hancock the last couple of days has come over more leaderly (if that's a word, id have said statesmanlike but that's way too far) & has subtly distanced himself from some of johnsons (their) earlier failings.

accept your sunik point but hes popular at moment & could ride that. its a fine dividing line between popular & threat though, he could find himself being sidelined

The fact he almost took some responsibility is a start - he’ll probably be sacked ASAP for that

Sunak is a front man - he is one of the few that can string a coherent sentence together - is that enough?

[Wooden Spoon]

azul said:

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Nah

Fair enough.



https://www.theguard...l-brands-report

[mr. smith]

azul, on 03 April 2020 - 06:44 PM, said:

The fact he almost took some responsibility is a start - he’ll probably be sacked ASAP for that

Sunak is a front man - he is one of the few that can string a coherent sentence together - is that enough?

in the world of Johnson & trump it almost makes him kennedy. sad times.

[azul]

mr. smith, on 03 April 2020 - 06:53 PM, said:

in the world of Johnson & trump it almost makes him kennedy. sad times.

I’ve always been sceptical about the US being world leaders in the past but sometimes you do miss them these days

[azul]

DEATH, on 03 April 2020 - 06:49 PM, said:

Fair enough.



https://www.theguard...l-brands-report

Blimey that didn’t last long. I would follow your own advise and start a new thread, somewhere else. I’d suggest something catchy like.....,,,,

The global supply chain and western democracy’s bankrupt, hypocritical and corrupt response to authoritarian (or worse) governments of all political persuasions around the world.

One of my favourite subjects and a great article from a great paper

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[The Earl of Chesterfield]

azul, on 03 April 2020 - 06:44 PM, said:

The fact he almost took some responsibility is a start - he’ll probably be sacked ASAP for that

Sunak is a front man - he is one of the few that can string a coherent sentence together - is that enough?

Can't help seeing Hancock as some sort of 'comical Ali'.

Sure he appeared positive and purposeful - in direct contrast to the collection of characters dispensing hype then evasion over previous days - but less than ten thousand tests turned to a quarter million in fewer than four weeks?

Especially given Gove's lack of reagents claims (yeah, I know...).

Then there were his 'medical professionals' figures are wrong' denials of this morning.

I wonder if this'll become the latest 'forty more hospitals/fifty thousand extra nurses/guided by science' style mantra repeated regardless of reality...

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