[Mr Mercury]

Sources now saying that China may have under reported the scale there by forty times!! Covered it up for weeks if not months, causing other countries to lose weeks of valuable planning and stocking time. Trying to pin the blame on the U.S. Saying they exported the virus to China, then saying it originated in Italy without any evidence whatsoever and all the time allowing the filthy squalid animal markets to continue. Yes our NHS is under stocked and up until last week desperately under valued but any ire at this must ultimately focus on China.
Edit..The WHO now starting to come under fire for basically endorsing Chinese figures when under cover sources were pointing to a massive cover up and huge, unreported, numbers!

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 31 March 2020 - 09:41 PM

[Misnomer]

https://twitter.com/...2717518855?s=20

https://www.theguard...d-owing-to-cost

This post has been edited by Misnomer: 31 March 2020 - 10:03 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

Misnomer said:

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That's what Nazi war criminals said...

That’s an astonishing post.

[Mr Mercury]

I'm probably watching the wrong YouTube channels, then again maybe the right ones, but it would seem the WHO is as corrupt as FIFA and the IOC...power corrupts but absolute power corrupts absolutely!

[Mr Mercury]

Misnomer, on 31 March 2020 - 09:32 PM, said:

That's what Nazi war criminals said...

Don't mis interpret it. You judge "peoples" of today by their actions, not the person of today, by what they did years ago.

[Misnomer]

DEATH, on 31 March 2020 - 10:07 PM, said:

That’s an astonishing post.

Some folk will note the Alan Partridge quote 🙄

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Mr Mercury, on 31 March 2020 - 09:36 PM, said:

Sources now saying that China may have under reported the scale there by forty times!! Covered it up for weeks if not months, causing other countries to lose weeks of valuable planning and stocking time. Trying to pin the blame on the U.S. Saying they exported the virus to China, then saying it originated in Italy without any evidence whatsoever and all the time allowing the filthy squalid animal markets to continue. Yes our NHS is under stocked and up until last week desperately under valued but any ire at this must ultimately focus on China.
Edit..The WHO now starting to come under fire for basically endorsing Chinese figures when under cover sources were pointing to a massive cover up and huge, unreported, numbers!

Can you offer references, Mark?

Not being one of those anal pendants or owt, but whilst I trust China as little as I trust Trump it does seem strange that the WHO should come under fire.

Not blaming you pal, but we've seen far too many innocents vilified to divert from other's incompetence...

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

spireiterob, on 31 March 2020 - 08:08 PM, said:

Why did Gove lie about this regarding testing earlier? They can't help themselves.

https://www.itv.com/...it-ingredients/

It's more than a week since Johnson trumpeted getting twenty five thousand tested 'within days'.

Now his government are admitting it'll be the middle of April.

Meanwhile Sky News quote as many as one in four health workers STILL sidelined for want of a test.

For the record the Germany that started with several times more ICU beds and staff than ourselves is seeing far fewer deaths because they introduced mass testing from the outset. It's

Just as a South Korea who replicated that policy are seeing cases falling.

[Wooden Spoon]

I see the banks are being criticised today. They want personal assets not just business assets as collateral to issue loans to business.





After we, the public, bailed them out. How short the memories of these institutions are.

[Mr Mercury]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 01 April 2020 - 07:34 AM, said:

Can you offer references, Mark?

Not being one of those anal pendants or owt, but whilst I trust China as little as I trust Trump it does seem strange that the WHO should come under fire.

Not blaming you pal, but we've seen far too many innocents vilified to divert from other's incompetence...

Here's the link to the main gist of the story Chris.
Coronavirus: Anger is growing at China over COVID-19 and its apparent cover-up attempt
http://news.sky.com/...ttempt-11966539

[Wooden Spoon]

The Earl of Chesterfield said:

1585726447[/url]' post='1513151']
Can you offer references, Mark?

Not being one of those anal pendants or owt, but whilst I trust China as little as I trust Trump it does seem strange that the WHO should come under fire.

Not blaming you pal, but we've seen far too many innocents vilified to divert from other's incompetence...

I know it’s the mail, but here’s one I saw.




https://www.dailymai...ganisation.html

[Mr Mercury]

This is a link to a YouTube channel that opens up links between China and the WHO.
I guess this report is much more down to the viewer to make their own mind up.
https://youtu.be/N1BnPMRPqz4

[CFC91]

Mr Mercury, on 31 March 2020 - 09:36 PM, said:

Sources now saying that China may have under reported the scale there by forty times!! Covered it up for weeks if not months, causing other countries to lose weeks of valuable planning and stocking time. Trying to pin the blame on the U.S. Saying they exported the virus to China, then saying it originated in Italy without any evidence whatsoever and all the time allowing the filthy squalid animal markets to continue. Yes our NHS is under stocked and up until last week desperately under valued but any ire at this must ultimately focus on China.
Edit..The WHO now starting to come under fire for basically endorsing Chinese figures when under cover sources were pointing to a massive cover up and huge, unreported, numbers!

Should be China coming under fire not the WHO. Yet nobody seems to be accepting of the abundantly obvious facts that they have lied and covered this up for months and not been honest to the world.

It's a great shame the west are so reliant upon China for imports and exports in today's global economy. 50 years ago it would be easy to shut the door on them and let them fend for their selves with their Russia and North Korean pals

[Mr Mercury]

CFC91, on 01 April 2020 - 08:06 AM, said:

Should be China coming under fire not the WHO. Yet nobody seems to be accepting of the abundantly obvious facts that they have lied and covered this up for months and not been honest to the world.

It's a great shame the west are so reliant upon China for imports and exports in today's global economy. 50 years ago it would be easy to shut the door on them and let them fend for their selves with their Russia and North Korean pals

If it's abundantly obvious that this has been covered up and lied about, which I agree with you, why were the WHO so complicit in backing China's "official" figures and praising their handling of the crisis?

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 01 April 2020 - 08:28 AM

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Thanks lads.

The animal trade in China and the entire far East has long been sickening. No question that the world should react with the same fury it reacted to such as the Tiananmen Square massacre.

Question is how, though.

Do we listen to those who turned a blind eye to both human and wildlife abuse when insisting that bastion of democracy China could replace the EU as a trading partner - yet now insist we reject Huawei? And who do we rep!ace Huawei with; the European Philips? A tender from the US where a mindlessly 'America first' Trump's in power? A British company that might still rely on Chinese chips?

Do we turn around those millions of tons of containers full of cheap Chinese goods? Will the British public be happy to pay much more for everything from computer games to pairs of pants? In fact wouldn't banning British businesses from buying Chinese be exactly the 'red tape and bureaucracy' Brexiters have so often condemned?

Then there're the nuclear power plants Osborn offered Chinese firms lucrative deals to build - will his successors invest in millions more wind turbines instead? In tidal power schemes? In solar panels on every roof (which're themselves made in China, of course)?

I'm pretty sure all those Tory voters who place their 'green and pleasant land' over green and pleasant energy would soon be up in arms.

There's also the question of how far we extend our principles - to middle eastern oil? A region that also exports terrorism whilst being mired in disgusting practices of it's own? To timber stripped from unsustainable sources? To the whale hunting Japan, perhaps?

Y'know, all those places environmentalists and Greenpeace members have long been mocked for boycotting.

For what it's worth I'll join any action against morally bankrupt and totalitarian regimes. I'll happily spend more to shop responsibly. However let's apply the same standards across the globe and not pick and choose who we vilify to divert from shortcomings closer to home...

[isleaiw1]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 01 April 2020 - 07:43 AM, said:

It's more than a week since Johnson trumpeted getting twenty five thousand tested 'within days'.

Now his government are admitting it'll be the middle of April.

Meanwhile Sky News quote as many as one in four health workers STILL sidelined for want of a test.

For the record the Germany that started with several times more ICU beds and staff than ourselves is seeing far fewer deaths because they introduced mass testing from the outset. It's

Just as a South Korea who replicated that policy are seeing cases falling.

I also heard that Germany have differing reporting rules - they are classing deaths as being someone who died from the virus and not someone who had the virus when they died (which is what others apparently are doing). That will give different results.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

DEATH, on 01 April 2020 - 07:44 AM, said:

I see the banks are being criticised today. They want personal assets not just business assets as collateral to issue loans to business.





After we, the public, bailed them out. How short the memories of these institutions are.

LBC's James O'Brien hosted a very interesting phone-in yesterday.

In short, huge numbers of pubs are owned by investment firms who not only demand lucrative deposits and rents but insist landlords buy their beer from them at hugely excessive rates. Of course there's a significant turnover of tennants, yet these companies don't care as long as there're folk to rep!ace them. And if not? They simply sell or redevelop.

Summat the likes of Farage conveniently fail to mention when blaming the 'nanny state' smoking ban for pubs closing.

Anyway, to no one's surprise these money men are still grabbing rents and rates from landlords regardless of the current crisis. In fact they've such influence they're pressing Sunak to pay subsidies straight to them rather than those struggling in the middle.

As more and more people are acknowledging there's gotta be a real reckoning after all this. But I'm guessing the usual suspects - those millionaire funded lobby groups such as the 'Taxpayers Alliance', for example - will suddenly reappear pleading innocence on behalf of the guilty...

[dim view]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 01 April 2020 - 09:06 AM, said:

LBC's James O'Brien hosted a very interesting phone-in yesterday.

In short, huge numbers of pubs are owned by investment firms who not only demand lucrative deposits and rents but insist landlords buy their beer from them at hugely excessive rates. Of course there's a significant turnover of tennants, yet these companies don't care as long as there're folk to rep!ace them. And if not? They simply sell or redevelop.

Summat the likes of Farage conveniently fail to mention when blaming the 'nanny state' smoking ban for pubs closing.

Anyway, to no one's surprise these money men are still grabbing rents and rates from landlords regardless of the current crisis. In fact they've such influence they're pressing Sunak to pay subsidies straight to them rather than those struggling in the middle.

As more and more people are acknowledging there's gotta be a real reckoning after all this. But I'm guessing the usual suspects - those millionaire funded lobby groups such as the 'Taxpayers Alliance', for example - will suddenly reappear pleading innocence on behalf of the guilty...

I wonder if the Duke of Devonshire will still receive his rents in full from tenants who have to apply for Treasury cash to make ends meet?

On the WHO allegations, it's very disconcerting 'cos when the time comes for an independent inquiry into all this the WHO would be at the top of everybody's list for carrying it out.

[Wooden Spoon]

The Earl of Chesterfield said:

1585730361[/url]' post='1513162']
Thanks lads.

The animal trade in China and the entire far East has long been sickening. No question that the world should react with the same fury it reacted to such as the Tiananmen Square massacre.

Question is how, though.

Do we listen to those who turned a blind eye to both human and wildlife abuse when insisting that bastion of democracy China could replace the EU as a trading partner - yet now insist we reject Huawei? And who do we rep!ace Huawei with; the European Philips? A tender from the US where a mindlessly 'America first' Trump's in power? A British company that might still rely on Chinese chips?

Do we turn around those millions of tons of containers full of cheap Chinese goods? Will the British public be happy to pay much more for everything from computer games to pairs of pants? In fact wouldn't banning British businesses from buying Chinese be exactly the 'red tape and bureaucracy' Brexiters have so often condemned?

Then there're the nuclear power plants Osborn offered Chinese firms lucrative deals to build - will his successors invest in millions more wind turbines instead? In tidal power schemes? In solar panels on every roof (which're themselves made in China, of course)?

I'm pretty sure all those Tory voters who place their 'green and pleasant land' over green and pleasant energy would soon be up in arms.

There's also the question of how far we extend our principles - to middle eastern oil? A region that also exports terrorism whilst being mired in disgusting practices of it's own? To timber stripped from unsustainable sources? To the whale hunting Japan, perhaps?

Y'know, all those places environmentalists and Greenpeace members have long been mocked for boycotting.

For what it's worth I'll join any action against morally bankrupt and totalitarian regimes. I'll happily spend more to shop responsibly. However let's apply the same standards across the globe and not pick and choose who we vilify to divert from shortcomings closer to home...

Do it bit by bit. For example smart phones and 5G. Those U.S and European companies are encouraged to relocate, and notice served on future import duties of these items made in China. At the same time, China is also warned that unless there is a change, a real one not some token gesture, then bit by bit, governments with decent human rights and animal welfare standards will cease investment. As I’ve said elsewhere, there are “developing countries” (who came up with that phrase?) who’s labour costs would be lower than ours and who would be delighted to have a slow but steady shift in investment from China to them.







I think the world has changed. China’s mask has been removed, and because this thing is global, and is killing people it’s been noticed. And people are angry.







As for power, it’s not something to happen over night. From start to finish the build of a nuclear power station is 5-7 years. China isn’t the only nation in the world with the capability to build them. Power generation isn’t a one source only industry. A healthy, diverse mix of wind, tidal, solar and nuclear can be implemented. If the political will is there.






Let’s go green, let’s go clean, go electric cars, let’s go for fair trade fruit and veg (eg bananas, something I’ve advocated for a long time) and leave these despotic poo holes to collapse.

[Wooden Spoon]

Mr Mercury said:

1585729471[/url]' post='1513160']
If it's abundantly obvious that this has been covered up and lied about, which I agree with you, why were the WHO so complicit in backing China's "official" figures and praising their handling of the crisis?

How many high level officials in the W.H.O are Chinese? How deeply have Chinese government stooges infiltrated the organisation?