[azul]

Search and Destroy, on 06 May 2020 - 09:46 PM, said:

So just saying but if the lockdown had been a week earlier which we all think it should have been, would the breakdown of the lockdown be further down the line?

Bullshoite

The lockdown is only under pressure becuase of the mixed messages/briefings from 'government' and the Tory rags pushing an agenda

99% of UK citizens are doing the correct thing

SpireiteFitzy, on 06 May 2020 - 09:15 PM, said:

1300 deaths announced in the last 2 days and people want the rules to be relaxed. Shouldn't be happening yet.

People?

Like that influential Tory backbencher Steve Baker on ITV's Preston tonight, callous and disgusting, get the economy open, no matter what

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[Westbars Spireite]

Probably not as high as 99%.

A significant chunk of people have broken the rules if applied strictly, myself included.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

azul, on 07 May 2020 - 12:19 AM, said:

Bullshoite

The lockdown is only under pressure becuase of the mixed messages/briefings from 'government' and the Tory rags pushing an agenda

99% of UK citizens are doing the correct thing


People?

Like that influential Tory backbencher Steve Baker on ITV's Preston tonight, callous and disgusting, get the economy open, no matter what

The self appointed 'hardman of Brexit'.

Easily comparable with summat else that gets 'hard', though.

But anyway, it's now clear the hundred thousand test thing was just a gimmick. A con. A diversion. It was only 'hit' on thursday because the government included forty thousand posted but not necessarily taken. As evidenced by Pete. And nowhere near achieved since.

Stupid thing is that though they were still way behind other countries they might've gained at least a degree of credit for increasing it. But instead it's just another lie from a government elected on lies.

A government who've spent the last couple of months comparing figures with the rest of Europe yet now they're worse insist those figures should no longer apply, too...

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[Search & Destroy]

azul, on 07 May 2020 - 12:19 AM, said:

Bullshoite

The lockdown is only under pressure becuase of the mixed messages/briefings from 'government' and the Tory rags pushing an agenda

99% of UK citizens are doing the correct thing


People?

Like that influential Tory backbencher Steve Baker on ITV's Preston tonight, callous and disgusting, get the economy open, no matter what

99%?

Really?

Isn’t everything we hear, even on here telling us traffic is getting busier and busier?

Lockdown is breaking down and if it had been applied a week earlier then it stands to reason that it’d broken down a week earlier

[Search & Destroy]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 07 May 2020 - 06:07 AM, said:

The self appointed 'hardman of Brexit'.

Easily comparable with summat else that gets 'hard', though.

But anyway, it's now clear the hundred thousand test thing was just a gimmick. A con. A diversion. It was only 'hit' on thursday because the government included forty thousand posted but not necessarily taken. As evidenced by Pete. And nowhere near achieved since.

Stupid thing is that though they were still way behind other countries they might've gained at least a degree of credit for increasing it. But instead it's just another lie from a government elected on lies.

A government who've spent the last couple of months comparing figures with the rest of Europe yet now they're worse insist those figures should no longer apply, too...

If the tests aren’t being requested what do you want them to do, drag folk off the street?

I have no symptoms, why would I want a test?

I’m surprised there are so many taking place, they are really only for people who think they have it and for key workers who would otherwise have to self isolate

[isleaiw1]

fishini, on 06 May 2020 - 01:36 PM, said:

So in your opinion would an earlier lockdown and testing have saved lives?

I am no scientist so cant answer that. I think banning social gatherings before banning everything would have been a good idea. I guess the argument was if you cant mix to have fun why should you mix to work or commute if not essential, but to me, it could have been done in stages.

I do think the public and business have decided its time to end it now whatever the govt does so whilst shorter and sharper (by which I presume the view is NO leaving your home unless with the consent of the authorities as in Abu Dhabi?) might have been the best way, but not sure the human rights people would have gone for us following that route.

I'll be glued to the TV on each eve over next few days trying to work out what it means for our reopening plans and updating accordingly...

fishini, on 06 May 2020 - 01:38 PM, said:

My career is just fine thanks

I'm sure it is, but it was aimed at the youngster from Hasland...

And just to put the other side of the coin that the govt have to try and balance:

https://www.bbc.co.u...siness-52566030

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[Search & Destroy]

This is the dilemma the government would have had

There is a huge desire from all angles to wrongly end the lockdown

But there is a clamour to end it now when yesterday had one of the highest reported rates of infections, how much support would there have been for a lockdown on Cheltenham Monday when there had been only 4 deaths?

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[dim view]

Search and Destroy, on 07 May 2020 - 06:44 AM, said:

If the tests aren’t being requested what do you want them to do, drag folk off the street?

I have no symptoms, why would I want a test?

I’m surprised there are so many taking place, they are really only for people who think they have it and for key workers who would otherwise have to self isolate

That's right. The important number is capacity. The destiny of Pete's package seems to me to have been in the hands of Royal Mail, not Hancock's. Similarly, the number of tests being requested and processed by care homes should be the responsibility of owner/managers, as should PPE. Care homes need grading like hotels and restaurants.

[Misnomer]

https://www.theguard...-imported-cases

I missed this article. Sorry if it's been previously mentioned.

[Search & Destroy]

Misnomer, on 07 May 2020 - 09:02 AM, said:

https://www.theguard...-imported-cases

I missed this article. Sorry if it's been previously mentioned.

Unbelievable, if they weren’t eating bats there wouldn’t be any Chinese Virus in the first place

[Search & Destroy]

Death rates by age

0-19 0.05%
20-39 0.7%
40-59 8%
60-79 39%
80+ 52%

Underlying health conditions across all ages 93%

[azul]

Search and Destroy, on 07 May 2020 - 09:16 AM, said:

Death rates by age

0-19 0.05%
20-39 0.7%
40-59 8%
60-79 39%
80+ 52%

Underlying health conditions across all ages 93%

Well that’s ok then?

Why do you keep peddling these stats

[Search & Destroy]

azul, on 07 May 2020 - 09:33 AM, said:

Well that’s ok then?

Why do you keep peddling these stats

Peddling?

Was on the radio this morning, they are just stats, just like death rates in Europe are stats

Do you think factual stats should be suppressed?

[fishini]

Search and Destroy, on 07 May 2020 - 09:39 AM, said:

Peddling?

Was on the radio this morning, they are just stats, just like death rates in Europe are stats

Do you think factual stats should be suppressed?

The fact is we are the worst in Europe and the second worst in the world. We had more notice than any country in Europe. You never mention these stats. Why? Where's the other .25% gone?

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[isleaiw1]

fishini, on 07 May 2020 - 09:45 AM, said:

The fact is we are the worst in Europe and the second worst in the world. We had more notice than any country in Europe. You never mention these stats. Why?

Are you adjusting for population in that? age profile of population? Population density? all of which are critical factors in spread and mortality rates and therefore relevant in any meaningful comparison.....

An apple is greener than an orange. To which the answer is of course, so what....

[azul]

Search and Destroy, on 07 May 2020 - 09:39 AM, said:

Peddling?

Was on the radio this morning, they are just stats, just like death rates in Europe are stats

Do you think factual stats should be suppressed?

If I was cynical, I’d say you keep posting these stats to make the point that old and/or people with chronic illness are the chief victims so it doesn’t really matter.

If I was cynical, I’d bet you’ve seen other stats out there, that has you rubbing your hands.

[azul]

dim view, on 07 May 2020 - 07:53 AM, said:

That's right. The important number is capacity. The destiny of Pete's package seems to me to have been in the hands of Royal Mail, not Hancock's. Similarly, the number of tests being requested and processed by care homes should be the responsibility of owner/managers, as should PPE. Care homes need grading like hotels and restaurants.

I think the issue with Pete’s test was the suspicion that it would be counted in the Governments inflated testing figures not that it took an extra day or two to arrive.

On you care home front, I almost agree, they should be brought under the states social system and not be a hotchpotch of private ventures.

[Search & Destroy]

isleaiw1, on 07 May 2020 - 09:54 AM, said:

Are you adjusting for population in that? age profile of population? Population density? all of which are critical factors in spread and mortality rates and therefore relevant in any meaningful comparison.....

An apple is greener than an orange. To which the answer is of course, so what....

Of course, also we have Heathrow, a global transport hub, we have 4 cities with over one million people, we have an ageing population, we have density of population unlike other countries (France is much bigger than England with one city of over one million)

[fishini]

azul, on 07 May 2020 - 09:54 AM, said:

If I was cynical, I’d say you keep posting these stats to make the point that old and/or people with chronic illness are the chief victims so it doesn’t really matter.

If I was cynical, I’d bet you’ve seen other stats out there, that has you rubbing your hands.

His perfect scenario. People die of it in a boat.

[Search & Destroy]

azul, on 07 May 2020 - 09:54 AM, said:

If I was cynical, I’d say you keep posting these stats to make the point that old and/or people with chronic illness are the chief victims so it doesn’t really matter.

If I was cynical, I’d bet you’ve seen other stats out there, that has you rubbing your hands.

I find the term “peddling “ rather unsettling

It’s as if only the stats you like should be published