[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Paragon of Virtue, on 06 May 2020 - 09:04 AM, said:

Trying to draw conclusions in the middle of such a fluid situation is ridiculous when there really is insufficient data to make any sort of assumption. Countries have tried different approaches, maybe Germany have tackled it more successfully due to their more rigorous testing? Perhaps Sweden will ultimately have a lower death toll as a result of their laid-back lockdown policies by avoiding the economic fallout of this crisis.

The true picture will take years to form. I'm not defending the government or saying they've done a good job, in fact I imagine the findings won't be kind to them.

Ultimately though trying to make conclusions on their performance at this point is a waste of time without data detailing the number of deaths above expected.

I see and in many ways agree with your point. Apologies, I thought you were trying to divert or delay accountablility. And that's my fear. I'm sure there will be a public enquiry, just as I'm sure the figures will expose complacency and incompetence. But we need look no further than the recent election to see a tory leader prepared to hide and lie and cronies plumbing any depths to decieve.

Covid19 has and continues to kill more Brits than comparable populations. Despite a government that had longer to prepare, repeatedly told us they were prepared and even now refuses to accept any culpability (Brokenshire joined the long list ducking and dodging an admission of error this morning). Sadly I see a 'Hillsborough' style cover-up as far more likely than resignations.

[fishini]

isleaiw1, on 06 May 2020 - 08:14 AM, said:

people are saying too late to lockdown but all I am seeing is people and business wanting to get out of it now - so if we had entered sooner, would the acceptance of it not have been worse initially and harder to keep going for longer?

I'd say its easy to criticise when its all you are responsible for...

But more lives would have been saved. Stupid football matches and race meetings would have been stopped. Just admit they got it wrong even though they had more notice as to what was coming

This post has been edited by fishini: 06 May 2020 - 10:21 AM

[azul]

fishini, on 06 May 2020 - 09:54 AM, said:

But more lives would have been saved. Stupid football matches and race meetings would have been stopped. Just admit they got it wrong even though they had more notice as to what was coming

You can lead a horse blind man to water but you can't make him drink.

[Goku]

azul, on 06 May 2020 - 10:43 AM, said:

You can lead a horse blind man to water but you can't make him drink.

There are positives to both drinking and not drinking, who's to say which is better? They're exactly the same. Also, it's easy to judge whether one should drink if you're not responsible for their safety.

[fishini]

Goku, on 06 May 2020 - 11:29 AM, said:

There are positives to both drinking and not drinking, who's to say which is better? They're exactly the same. Also, it's easy to judge whether one should drink if you're not responsible for their safety.

If you Don't drink you die

[isleaiw1]

fishini, on 06 May 2020 - 12:16 PM, said:

If you Don't drink you die

He is being an bottom as per. If he devoted as much time to his career as being a smart bottom he could solve the countries tax deficiency single handedly.

[isleaiw1]

fishini, on 06 May 2020 - 09:54 AM, said:

But more lives would have been saved. Stupid football matches and race meetings would have been stopped. Just admit they got it wrong even though they had more notice as to what was coming

Cheltenham and the football games were stupid, but they could have been stopped without lockdown. Lockdown to me was telling businesses to close and people not to work. Stopping recreational activities was just about mass gatherings. National League were as bad. Dover match was on my to do list but there was no way I was going that weekend. Football authorities and racing authorities should have taken those decisions. But self interest ruled and proved you cant expect people to do the right thing themselves, they have to be told / banned from doing harm. Sad state of affairs all round.

[fishini]

isleaiw1, on 06 May 2020 - 01:09 PM, said:

Cheltenham and the football games were stupid, but they could have been stopped without lockdown. Lockdown to me was telling businesses to close and people not to work. Stopping recreational activities was just about mass gatherings. National League were as bad. Dover match was on my to do list but there was no way I was going that weekend. Football authorities and racing authorities should have taken those decisions. But self interest ruled and proved you cant expect people to do the right thing themselves, they have to be told / banned from doing harm. Sad state of affairs all round.

So in your opinion would an earlier lockdown and testing have saved lives?

[fishini]

isleaiw1, on 06 May 2020 - 01:05 PM, said:

He is being an bottom as per. If he devoted as much time to his career as being a smart bottom he could solve the countries tax deficiency single handedly.

My career is just fine thanks

[Goku]

fishini, on 06 May 2020 - 12:16 PM, said:

If you Don't drink you die

I know, I’m parodying Ian’s completely centrist stance of every single topic imaginable. Just a bit of light hearted fun in these unprecedented times.

[Wooden Spoon]

isleaiw1 said:

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people are saying too late to lockdown but all I am seeing is people and business wanting to get out of it now - so if we had entered sooner, would the acceptance of it not have been worse initially and harder to keep going for longer?

I'd say its easy to criticise when its all you are responsible for...

Had we locked down harder and earlier, then maybe the lockdown period would have been much shorter and less painful? I’m thinking New Zealand.




Had Cheltenham not gone ahead, Liverpool v Madrid and the lockdown maybe just 7-10 days earlier?

[Wooden Spoon]

https://www.bbc.co.u...litics-52547869





Really.

[Wooden Spoon]

Trilateral agreement between the UK, France and ROI to allow trade and movement of freight. Is this outside of any EU rules to warrant a new announcement?

[azul]

isleaiw1, on 06 May 2020 - 01:09 PM, said:

Cheltenham and the football games were stupid, but they could have been stopped without lockdown. Lockdown to me was telling businesses to close and people not to work. Stopping recreational activities was just about mass gatherings. National League were as bad. Dover match was on my to do list but there was no way I was going that weekend. Football authorities and racing authorities should have taken those decisions. But self interest ruled and proved you cant expect people to do the right thing themselves, they have to be told / banned from doing harm. Sad state of affairs all round.

Bozo was too weak to lead us into doing the right thing. He and his advisors completely underestimated the British peoples resilience and desire to do the right thing.

Typical of you that you deflect the blame from those who lust power, but are too incompetent/lazy/callous/cynical/amoral [delete as applicable] to take decisions.

I guess that is what a popularist government is all about

This post has been edited by azul: 06 May 2020 - 08:20 PM

[Search & Destroy]

People are breaking the lockdown all over the place even with 600 deaths and 6000 infections today

[SpireiteFitzy]

1300 deaths announced in the last 2 days and people want the rules to be relaxed. Shouldn't be happening yet.

[dalekpete]

azul, on 05 May 2020 - 11:06 PM, said:

You need to ask Pete

He said he was informed before last weekend he was being sent a test because he was on a control group or something. I'm sure he said he didn't solicit the test.

It only seems strange if you think the government has a grip on reality

My test did arrive on Monday. I still think it was less than a coincidence that thousands were officially sent out on Thursday but this is part of a project. One of the aspects is feedback on how easy it was to use (and I guess whether the samples are viable). I am coming off furlough with my second job as my research company is seconding me to undertake testing at peoples' homes from this weekend. Hard to refuse when I have been criticising the lack of testing.

[azul]

dalekpete, on 06 May 2020 - 09:21 PM, said:

My test did arrive on Monday. I still think it was less than a coincidence that thousands were officially sent out on Thursday but this is part of a project. One of the aspects is feedback on how easy it was to use (and I guess whether the samples are viable). I am coming off furlough with my second job as my research company is seconding me to undertake testing at peoples' homes from this weekend. Hard to refuse when I have been criticising the lack of testing.

What kind of test was it, antibody test or a antigen test? If it was the latter do you get retested anytime soon?

[Search & Destroy]

Search and Destroy, on 06 May 2020 - 08:18 PM, said:

People are breaking the lockdown all over the place even with 600 deaths and 6000 infections today

So just saying but if the lockdown had been a week earlier which we all think it should have been, would the breakdown of the lockdown be further down the line?

[dalekpete]

azul, on 06 May 2020 - 09:31 PM, said:

What kind of test was it, antibody test or a antigen test? If it was the latter do you get retested anytime soon?

I took a simple PCR test and I expect this will be the one I will be helping to facilitate. There is an expectation that research companies will be utilised as reliable antibody tests are formulated and rolled-out but I do not think we are close to that yet.